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30,000 have died from the run of the mill seasonal flu this year.
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I hear you guys, and I get your drift. There is something fundamentally unnerving about an animal > human virus like this, spreading worldwide at a sharp rate with no vaccine in sight, as of yet.
I live in a city of 2M+, use public transit multiple times a day, run a business with 120+ employees with thousands of customers, locals & tourists alike. I've found myself washing my hands more often, using hand sanitizer, glaring at people coughing on the tram & metro.
It's a strange phenomena, that's for sure. Particularly seeing the binge shopping going on, people stocking up.
I hope it blows over relatively quickly, a vaccine is developed and things get back to normal. Nobody, on either side of the pond, needs further disruption in business and travel. As I mentioned earlier, in this part of Europe it's one thing to see a pandemic virus in places like China, South Korea & Iran. But when you see the numbers rising in Italy, Germany, Spain and France...given the amount of constant travel within the EU...it's tough to ignore & dismiss out of hand.
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Completely reasonable take. I did hear that some Israeli scientists are close to a vaccine. I'm not positive but I thought I heard someone else say they were close to a vaccine as well. The good thing about this virus, while seemingly highly infectious, is it doesn't have a high mortality rate at all.
Explain something to me. There are people wearing latex gloves to prevent spreading. Can't rubber glove transfer the virus as easily as bare hands??
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That makes zero sense unless you are someone who works with sick people and you change them after contact with each person.
Yeah makes about as much sense as people getting truckloads of bottled water, as if the virus is being spread through the tap water.
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People are stocking up on bottled water, dry foods, other supplies because they fear supply chains may be disrupted. Not per se because they think the virus spreads through tap water. That would be my best guess.
One person in Commifornia just died and their libtard Gov declared a state of emergency. LMAO...what a tool.
I hear you, but I just don't see this as an event that's going to disrupt supply chains to the point of people not having access to water.
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Well, this is a hands-on approach, for better or worse. Whoever owned this motel just hit the jackpot. Let's hope this single motel can house those infected in the area and keep the virus from spreading, though it may be deemed overly optimistic in a few weeks time. I guess you gotta start somewhere.
King County, an epicenter of U.S. coronavirus outbreak, to buy Econo Lodge motel for people with virus
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/04/coronavirus-live-updates/
King County, an epicenter of U.S. coronavirus outbreak, to buy Econo Lodge motel for people with virus
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/04/coronavirus-live-updates/
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I hope you're right. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, as it's hard to anticipate where this thing is heading. I do understand people wanting to increase their food & drink supplies to err on the side of caution. As long as it's done in a calm and orderly way, which never is the case when there's a run on Costco.
Econo Lodge is a dump. Super8 and Red Roof Inn laugh at Econo Lodge. If they paid $4 mill they got dry-raped. Now the people with Kung flu will end up with AIDS and a bunch of other stds too.
That’s a bold strategy, Cotton.
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WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!
Medical screener at LAX airport tests positive for coronavirus
WASHINGTON — A medical professional who conducted passenger screenings at Los Angeles International Airport tested positive for the coronavirus, according to the Department of Homeland Security
The person last worked screening air travelers for illness on Feb. 21, DHS said in a statement, which also said the medical professional had worn the proper protective gear while working. The internal email described the person as a "contract medical screener" for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"DHS is happy to report that this individual was highly trained and did everything right both on the job and when they began to feel sick," DHS said. "We are told the individual wore all the correct protective equipment and took necessary protections on the job. Additionally, as soon as the individual began to feel sick, they self-quarantined, saw a physician, and reported to the appropriate authorities and officials."
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...x-airport-tests-positive-coronavirus-n1149986
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Time for Robot screeners
Medical screener at LAX airport tests positive for coronavirus
WASHINGTON — A medical professional who conducted passenger screenings at Los Angeles International Airport tested positive for the coronavirus, according to the Department of Homeland Security
The person last worked screening air travelers for illness on Feb. 21, DHS said in a statement, which also said the medical professional had worn the proper protective gear while working. The internal email described the person as a "contract medical screener" for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"DHS is happy to report that this individual was highly trained and did everything right both on the job and when they began to feel sick," DHS said. "We are told the individual wore all the correct protective equipment and took necessary protections on the job. Additionally, as soon as the individual began to feel sick, they self-quarantined, saw a physician, and reported to the appropriate authorities and officials."
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...x-airport-tests-positive-coronavirus-n1149986
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I hope you're right. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, as it's hard to anticipate where this thing is heading. I do understand people wanting to increase their food & drink supplies to err on the side of caution. As long as it's done in a calm and orderly way, which never is the case when there's a run on Costco.
Yeah no ****, right? It's like people turn into a bunch of belligerent hoarders.
I've got at least 4 months of food in my fridge/freezers/pantry.
A lot of wine.
Not much beer needed. Can borrow from neighbors if necessary.
Need to stock up on brown.
Also, have at least 500 rounds of 9 mil.
Try to take it.
A lot of wine.
Not much beer needed. Can borrow from neighbors if necessary.
Need to stock up on brown.
Also, have at least 500 rounds of 9 mil.
Try to take it.
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Don't know if gloves help or not. I have been seeing a lot of this lately, from various parts of the world. Disinfecting inanimate objects such as packages, sidewalks, handrails, cell phones etc which seems to indicate the virus is not only spreading human > human through coughing, sneezing, touching etc.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thailand post offices began disinfecting overseas packages on arrival as the country reported new coronavirus cases. <a href="https://t.co/L22tbRjxOF">https://t.co/L22tbRjxOF</a> <a href="https://t.co/Z2uHT1FVLB">pic.twitter.com/Z2uHT1FVLB</a></p>— ABC News (@ABC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1235513157659090944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
i guess i picked the right week to have surgery and stay home for two weeks.
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My take is it's something to be concerned about, but not panicked. The bottom line is we don't know what the fatality rate is. If people exhibit little to no symptoms and are not tested then those people are not going to count against the fatality rate. Ill post what our corp office sent us today
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by James Robb, MD UC San Diego
Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.
The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:
1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.
I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.
I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us!
Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.
The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:
1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.
I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.
I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us!
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We simply do not understand why': Coronavirus is sparing children, puzzling experts
This opens the door to all kinds of interesting conspiracy theories..
This opens the door to all kinds of interesting conspiracy theories..
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Development in a lab. It still has a low kill rate,so that kind of goes out the door.
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I'm no biologist, but it may be the case that if your priority is to spare the young, you need a lower general kill rate.
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Euthenasia?