Wait until those landscapers mail out their bills and nothing comes back....
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I feel like some people who haven't lost their job or aren't staring down the dark tunnel of no revenue for the foreseeable future just don't get it.
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lol nothing. relax indy, i was just messing around. don't be so sensitive
I was that guy back in 2008. It was not easy, but we have a good system here, and things work out. Jobs are lost. Other opportunities crop up. My butcher is hiring. Maybe a restaurant worker will now become a butcher. Small example of how things shift.
The people who rely on the gov't to take care of them are most at risk.
Jus sayin.
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Yup this is the attitude from most that get to keep working from home.....
You're exactly right. But they just don't get that a massive economic slowdown affects EVERYONE eventually. It just takes a little longer to reach some people than it does others.
I’m not sensitive, but if I’m going to piss some one off I want to earn it.
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Not it's not very lethal at all. It doesn't mutate. It has a 98%+ survival rate. It kills the same people as the flu. Would you have a gun that hit it's target ~2% of the time? After this is over you're going to find out that the death rates for the U.S. this year is going to be almost identical to last year. We've had worse flu seasons. We had 80,000 people die a couple of years ago.
This is not a weaponized virus. It's a novel virus that jumped from bats to another animal and now has jumped to humans.
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Yup this is the attitude from most that get to keep working from home.....
**** how you get my pic?
I’ve been staring down that tunnel for a long time prior to this. Wife with CCs.
I was furloughed for a week.
The wife and I have saved emergency funds if we were to ever lose our jobs. We’d be fine for 3-4 months. 5 perhaps.
When I was furloughed. I was already planning spending, etc.
When I got called back that weekend. I am not taking these checks for granted. Whatever we owe we pay.
The rest goes to our emergency funds at the moment.
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It seems clear that there are many that WANT this economy shut down for several months so that it completely crashes and a big government takeover becomes the only solution.
I also think the liberal elites want there to be some rioting where at some point somebody get shot and they demand that all guns be seized for public safety.
We've come this far so being shutdown until the end of April seems reasonable, but if these numbers keep dropping then we have to start opening up in May. Maybe NYC stays closed a bit longer but in other areas that have far fewer cases, it should start opening.
I think the Dem play is to oppose opening up the economy until cases are nearly zero. Of course that is unrealistic but it will set up the scenario where they run ads that say Trump killed my grandma because wall street told him to open up businesses when it wasn't safe.
The problem with that is that in a few more weeks there will be very few people who don't support re-opening the economy. They will bash Trump for not caring but I feel most will be thanking Trump for having the guts to take a political risk and do what is best for the most people.
The media and politicians are not being hurt. They will once again underestimate how many people who may dislike Trump will line up to vote for the only guy who seems to be trying to help the average worker.
I also think the liberal elites want there to be some rioting where at some point somebody get shot and they demand that all guns be seized for public safety.
We've come this far so being shutdown until the end of April seems reasonable, but if these numbers keep dropping then we have to start opening up in May. Maybe NYC stays closed a bit longer but in other areas that have far fewer cases, it should start opening.
I think the Dem play is to oppose opening up the economy until cases are nearly zero. Of course that is unrealistic but it will set up the scenario where they run ads that say Trump killed my grandma because wall street told him to open up businesses when it wasn't safe.
The problem with that is that in a few more weeks there will be very few people who don't support re-opening the economy. They will bash Trump for not caring but I feel most will be thanking Trump for having the guts to take a political risk and do what is best for the most people.
The media and politicians are not being hurt. They will once again underestimate how many people who may dislike Trump will line up to vote for the only guy who seems to be trying to help the average worker.
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well, i'm certainly not pissed at you, if that's what you're pining for.
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This makes no sense at all to me. People who are sick and go to a Dr or Hospitla with Corona like symptoms get tested. This blurb seems to assume that tons of people will get very sick and not seek any medical help at all and will just die at home with undiagnosed.
I see it differently. In their eyes, it means Yes, it will be undereported, because there will be lots of people who die of other things that they could have artificially tagged as COVID deaths if they had been tested. In other words, we can't pad the death count if grandma dies of a hear attack at home, what a pity.
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First of all EVERYONE who lost their jobs to this qualifies for unemployment plus an extra $600 a month. Who is it that is not getting an income? Sorry that is bullshit. Between that AND the $1200 for those that qualify some might struggle but there is ******* money coming in. In Ohio at least all construction is considered essential we are working and my Pella distributor that I work for secured a loan. It sucks that we are putting ourselves in debt for this it sucks more that I would be making a little more being furloughed than being paid my training salary but there are many right now banking more than they were working so there will be some disposable income to spend when this is over for many. OTB I am sorry if it is hurting you personally and I certainly don't want to here anyone of us on here struggling. If there is something I could to help everyone I would. Talking down and getting pissy at me for my opinion is not necessary. I am not the only who doesn't see this as the end of the ******* world, yet. I am not naive or blind, I am not and never have been well off. We live pretty close to month to month because of past small businesses we ran and barley broke even. I have made my mistakes, my wife was working a full time job and two part time jobs while going to nursing school. She now just has the one and doesn't get that money replaced, luckily we are still working. I know struggle I know pain. Why am I the bad guy for not ******* losing my mind and trying to see the light at the end of the tunnel rather than looking at how bad it will be. I have been to that point when I was fired twice in the 15 months and promised myself I would never getas negative then as I was. Having a negative ******* attitude and expecting the worse got me nowhere in life.
Life has not ended, we can and will get through this even if we have tough times. We will help each other and I for one will be out spending what I can to support businesses when they open. ti is a campaign around here to do what we can to support all the local businesses.
Life has not ended, we can and will get through this even if we have tough times. We will help each other and I for one will be out spending what I can to support businesses when they open. ti is a campaign around here to do what we can to support all the local businesses.
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No unfortunately many do not, and that is a fact. Emily(my nurse daughter) and my wife have both worked in the field with poverty stricken, older and mentally challenged and even the homeless. There is a larger than it should be portion of our population that for various reason do not seek out the medical attention they need. It is sad and discouraging but it does happen. So yes there will be an unfortunate number deaths during this that will slip through the cracks of our system just like their whole lives have in many cases. Just in the homeless population it could be quite bad.
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You are a dreamer. You wish. You think.
Reality is coming. It's not at all gonna be what you hope and wish it will be.
Loans have to be repaid. Sure, there is some forgiveness if you spend at least 75% on payroll, but how do you do that if your business is closed for 2-3 months?
Mortgage payments may be suspended during the crisis, but at the end of the year you will still have had to make 12 mortgage payments no matter how you slice it. And the math just doesn't work when you've been closed for 2-3 months.
Sure an 'extra' $600 a week sounds like a God send, but it doesn't mean much to people who are used to making 4-5 times that much weekly. For example: in my state the maximum unemployment benefit is $585/wk, add $600 and you get $1185. Sounds great, but what if your used to earning $3000/wk or more? Sounds like **** then doesn't it? Oh, and you'd better put some of that away, because you WILL be taxed on that income at year's end.
In the meantime, bills are piling up. Creditors may not be pressuring you to pay in these tough times, but they sure as **** aren't forgiving your debt. You will have to pay eventually. So, can you afford to work for free for the next few months after everything opens up? Me neither.
I'm not talking down to you, but everyone's life isn't the same. That $600 is the same as throwing nickels at people compared to what they're used to earning. Its in no way a lifeline.
So when we see you trying to paint a rosy picture for people for whom that light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train - while still insisting that this virus is many more time deadly than we absolutely know it isn't, you can understand some people's frustration....
Mortgage payments may be suspended during the crisis, but at the end of the year you will still have had to make 12 mortgage payments no matter how you slice it. And the math just doesn't work when you've been closed for 2-3 months.
Sure an 'extra' $600 a week sounds like a God send, but it doesn't mean much to people who are used to making 4-5 times that much weekly. For example: in my state the maximum unemployment benefit is $585/wk, add $600 and you get $1185. Sounds great, but what if your used to earning $3000/wk or more? Sounds like **** then doesn't it? Oh, and you'd better put some of that away, because you WILL be taxed on that income at year's end.
In the meantime, bills are piling up. Creditors may not be pressuring you to pay in these tough times, but they sure as **** aren't forgiving your debt. You will have to pay eventually. So, can you afford to work for free for the next few months after everything opens up? Me neither.
I'm not talking down to you, but everyone's life isn't the same. That $600 is the same as throwing nickels at people compared to what they're used to earning. Its in no way a lifeline.
So when we see you trying to paint a rosy picture for people for whom that light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train - while still insisting that this virus is many more time deadly than we absolutely know it isn't, you can understand some people's frustration....
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You are partially incorrect on the mortgage part. Most companies are giving the option to just extend the end of the mortgage to account for the payments meaning no you don't have to make those up in the same year but would will pay more interest over the life of the loan. Most loans are doing something similar so it is not all as dire in the month afterward but will add some long term pain. Yes unfortunately there are some who were making more than what unemployment will pay but some of those not all are better off in their savings and rainy day funds than those at the bottom end. I see Trump pushing this to a resolution at least partially early next month and telling Pelosi to **** off. Don't think I don't see the problems I just also see possible solutions and outcomes. What ******* good does it do to not try to look for the good. It doesn't help anyone to jst ***** at hose that try to stay positive. I am just trying to bring some positivity and optimism to a ****** situation. Otherwise I just dwell on the things I can't control and get pissy myself. Maybe I need a break and will just let everyone ***** and moan.
We need football back so we can argue over Tomlin instead of this ****. The ******* Pirates don't help hell they probably have a better record with not having games than if they were playing. I come here for time with my Steeler fan family on Steelernation. I usually enjoy the back and forth on this forum but we all seem to be too on edge and sniping at each other. Maybe I need a break from this forum.
Oh, there is no arguing over Tomlin. He sucks, and that the end of that conversation.
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Tim I think you need some good drugs or something to take the edge off. I will leave this forum for awhile as you guys are getting way to pissy and ****** over someone trying to be somewhat positive about possible outcomes. You don't have the ******* monopoly on the the truth of what is going to happen and I am sick of the I am right and you couldn't possibly be right attitude you have about the future, I have always admitted I don't know for sure what will happen and neither the **** do you. You could do with a little better ability to see both sides of a fiscal argument. I tried to get into real discussions about things and just get bitched at. Well you guys can go back to your echo chamber of negativity. Maybe I will check in after awhile but damn people look for some ray of god damn sunlight among your doom and gloom and conspiracy theories.
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Goodnight and happy belated Easter to all. Love you all even if we disagree and get pissy at each other. See yinz when I am in a better frame of mind.
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Sorry man, take it what way you will. The overwhelming majority of your posts are your thoughts. You want the shut down because you have family on the front line. As I have said, I get that. You have a very self serving interest in this, and it's led you to a "the rest of us be damned" attitude.
I've given you irrefutable facts.
The numbers projected have been wrong. Vastly, enormously, stupendously wrong.
Economic downturns in the past lead to an increase in deaths of Americans from suicide to heart attacks to famine related-deaths, to crime. Supported by endless (and I mean endless studies).
I've shown you what is happening to our economy now. 16.6 million unemployed in the past 3 weeks alone. A drastic reduction in our workforce unprecedented in our entire country's history.
So far, this virus is showing it will kill less than the flu.
And you sit here post after post, hoping for more shut down to the determent of far more Americans than will perish from this virus. You say you believe these virus numbers, while simultaneously ignoring the economic numbers and just say over and over and over and over again "I believe we will bounce back from this" because you want the shut down to protect your own.
You won't have a facts based discussion. You won't produce a bit of evidence to support your claims that this economic downturn is somehow different than 2008 or the Great Depresssion.
You just keep saying it will be fine without a scintilla of fact to back your claims.
You are hoping and you are wishing and you are putting your hands over your eyes. Because you have a very self serving interest in your side of the argument. As you once said, you're emotional about this.
Emotions don't lead to factual based discussions.
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Last thought because I have never said I hoped for more shut down. Never. I have defended what we have done but I have said many time recently I expect it over in the next three weeks or mostly over. Show me once where I said we should have more. Some where we get our wires crossed. Part of my optimism is that we did do well in what we did and I think we will get at least partially open in early May. Damn it where did I ever give the idea I wanted it any longer than necessary. If I thought it would go much past early May I would not be optimistic. Unless some crazy **** happens with Covid numbers or Pelosi we can’t afford to not get moving. My whole point has been if we do get moving soon I don’t see the same issues you are seeing and I don’t see your “facts” as irrefutable and I am not the only one. Your facts and studies are still just possible out comes not definite ones. That is what really pisses me off is that you sound just like Tibs saying that you have facts and absolutes with no thought you could be wrong.
Damn it I can’t sleep and keep coming back. Be well.
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