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The Coronavirus thread

Tim Steelersfan said:
Old news previously posted Saul. TSFNS was all over that.
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Saul gets his news via Droid. Due to the incompatibility issue between Droid/Apple, he's late. as usual. likely drunk, with puke running down the front of his suit. that would be his. the puke on the back of his suit is from the new best friend he found while laying face down in the gutter.
 
Superman said:
Saul gets his news via Droid. Due to the incompatibility issue between Droid/Apple, he's late. as usual. likely drunk, with puke running down the front of his suit. that would be his. the puke on the back of his suit is from the new best friend he found while laying face down in the gutter.
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I have told you clowns repeatedly to tell the truth - I DON'T have an Android.

For **** sake, get your facts right.
 
Steeltime said:
I have told you clowns repeatedly to tell the truth - I DON'T have an Android.

For **** sake, get your facts right.
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you're just naturally slow. got it. will make note of this.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
The link wasn't broken before, I opened and viewed it with ease.
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Wig's link resulted in:

404. That’s an error.
The requested URL /amp/s/www.dai...s-21852204.amp was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
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I suspect you were staring at the screen saver and didn't know better. Another Biden moment.
 
Steeltime said:
Wig's link resulted in:



I suspect you were staring at the screen saver and didn't know better. Another Biden moment.
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Sarge's link wasn't broken. The same...damned...story.

I assumed Wig saying "well....****"....quoting him...was a play on humor no?
 
Sarge said:
Nah, the numbers aren’t being fudged. At all. First paragraph says it all.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/...tiC3fTOt3uQhBWei8NSCXNyWrFATIi9YsTfuHsa2LuM58
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I don't have a problem with that if done correctly. If all the symptoms fit and they have eliminated through testing other possible causes it is statistically justified. But at the same time the same thing goes for total cases. I know that the death toll is higher than what is being presented but so is the total of cases might an even larger margin. Meaning even adding these deaths when they finally do a scientific estimate of the total spread as they do with all diseases the mortality rate will still fall well below the 4.2% it is now and be around .4 is my guess. We have definitely not been able to test enough to catch anywhere near all the deaths or total cases. This is not a doom and gloom or alarmist post either it just makes common sense based on the ease of spread. We will still be less than 100,000 here when all said and one probably under 65,000.
 
Sarge said:
Nah, the numbers aren’t being fudged. At all. First paragraph says it all.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/...tiC3fTOt3uQhBWei8NSCXNyWrFATIi9YsTfuHsa2LuM58
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Wow, nothing suspicious about any of that.

New York City, already a world epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, sharply increased its death toll by more than 3,700 victims on Tuesday, after officials said they were now including people who had never tested positive for the virus but were presumed to have died of it.
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People....who never....tested....positive....but PRESUMED to have died of it....thrown into the CV19 deaths bucket.
 
My take on this at this point, it will have been the right moves to take based on what I am seeing BUT it is time to do what Trump is saying and work on getting things moving by early May. Thankfully he is doing the planning now despite the screams from the left and will be ready when it is time. Rather than waiting until then to figure out how to do it as the dumbasses in Congress would do. Ohio has a similar committee working on its start up plan. We have to get open but we do have to do it right. I love what i se from Trump so far in planning.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I don't have a problem with that if done correctly. If all the symptoms fit and they have eliminated through testing other possible causes it is statistically justified. But at the same time the same thing goes for total cases. I know that the death toll is higher than what is being presented but so is the total of cases might an even larger margin. Meaning even adding these deaths when they finally do a scientific estimate of the total spread as they do with all diseases the mortality rate will still fall well below the 4.2% it is now and be around .4 is my guess. We have definitely not been able to test enough to catch anywhere near all the deaths or total cases. This is not a doom and gloom or alarmist post either it just makes common sense based on the ease of spread. We will still be less than 100,000 here when all said and one probably under 65,000.
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How many times....

IT IS NOT 4.2%

When you take 25,924 deaths and divide it by 611,156 cases you get 4.2%.

That math is bogus statistical manipulation or stupidity.

The New York Times: "It is estimated that the number of people who have the virus is between 5 and 10 times the number TESTED."

Therefore the CORRECT way to calculate the mortality is to use the CDC method used for the flu. Total # of cases verified + Total number of estimated cases NOT verified as it relates to Deaths.

Assuming 5x more are affected than validated, that # is 3,055,780 Americans have it (assumed plus verified). The rate is then 0.0085
Assuming 10X more are affected than validated, that # is 6,111,560 Americans have it (assumed plus verified). The rate is then 0.0042

Please please please please stop spreading misinformation. The death rate is NOT 4.2%.

Why is is so hard for shut down apologists to get that countless Americans have this virus and have no clue they have it?? Some will NEVER show symptoms. Some do but they are so mild they don't seek medical help. Many think they have it, their doctors think they have it, they tell them to stay home and they recover from it. But NEVER get tested.

News Flash: The # shown on the JHU and the Worldmeters site for "cases" is JUST verified cases. It omits a massive # of those who have it but haven't been tested and verified.
 
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Tim Steelersfan said:
How many times....

IT IS NOT 4.2%

When you take 25,924 deaths and divide it by 611,156 cases you get 4.2%.

That math is bogus statistical manipulation or stupidity.

The New York Times: "It is estimated that the number of people who have the virus is between 5 and 10 times the number TESTED."

Therefore the CORRECT way to calculate the mortality is to use the CDC method used for the flu. Total # of cases verified + Total number of estimated cases NOT verified as it relates to Deaths.

Assuming 5x more are affected than validated, that # is 3,055,780 Americans have it (assumed plus verified). The rate is then 0.0085
Assuming 10X more are affected than validated, that # is 6,111,560 Americans have it (assumed plus verified). The rate is then 0.0042

Please please please please stop spreading misinformation. The death rate is NOT 4.2%.

Why is is so hard for shut down apologists to get that countless Americans have this virus and have no clue they have it?? Some will NEVER show symptoms. Some do but they are so mild they don't seek medical help. Many think they have it, their doctors think they have it, they tell them to stay home and they recover from it. But NEVER get tested.

News Flash: The # shown on the JHU and the Worldmeters site for "cases" is JUST verified cases. It omits a massive # of those who have it but haven't been tested and verified.
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That was basically what I WAS SAYING TIM! It is officially around that number, but as I was saying and you are confirming, just as there are missed deaths there are lots of undiagnosed cases and when all is accounted for it will be much lower. Thanks for being an *** when I was for all intents and purposes agreeing with you.
 
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SteelerInLebanon said:
That was basically what I WAS SAYING TIM! It is officially around that number but as I was saying and you are confirming just as there are missed deaths there are lots of undiagnosed cases and when all is accounted for it will be much lower.
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You said, quote "the mortality rate will still fall well below the 4.2% it is now."

It is not, and yeah I guess I'm policing this point because it's like watching fake news being sold to Americans every day. It is utter, over-exaggerated misinformation to say "now" it is 4.2%. It's not. It never has been.

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Tim Steelersfan said:
You said, quote "the mortality rate will still fall well below the 4.2% it is now."

It is not, and yeah I guess I'm policing this point because it's like watching fake news being sold to Americans every day. It is utter, over-exaggerated misinformation to say "now" it is 4.2%. It's not. It never has been.

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God you can be an ***. Again that was the point I was making. They are calling it the official rate but as you once again have to say it is not actually correct. I have been saying that and understand that all along for Christ Sake. I have gone so far as to say the only numbers at this point that have any rational bearing on things are the deaths per million. And even that is incorrect to a degree but it is the only measure we can use State to State or Country to Country that has any real meaning. So far.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I don't have a problem with that if done correctly. If all the symptoms fit and they have eliminated through testing other possible causes it is statistically justified. But at the same time the same thing goes for total cases. I know that the death toll is higher than what is being presented but so is the total of cases might an even larger margin. Meaning even adding these deaths when they finally do a scientific estimate of the total spread as they do with all diseases the mortality rate will still fall well below the 4.2% it is now and be around .4 is my guess. We have definitely not been able to test enough to catch anywhere near all the deaths or total cases. This is not a doom and gloom or alarmist post either it just makes common sense based on the ease of spread. We will still be less than 100,000 here when all said and one probably under 65,000.
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If they eliminated everything else through testing, why couldn't they confirm coronavirus infection through testing rather than presume?

And further, how do you KNOW the death toll is higher? You can believe it is higher, that's fine. But you do not KNOW that.
 
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