The Coronavirus thread

[Confluence]

Like the Olympia Restaurant selling cheeseburgers, the whole country would likely eventually test positive until it peters out.

Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid.. No Covid,

No more Covid?

No Covid!!

Pepsi!

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[tapeANaspirin2it]

I’m sure liberals are loving this but many of them think Covid is a death sentence. What happens if Trump in his 70s gets Covid and is fine in a week or so? May just open people’s eyes to the fact most people recover from it.

 

[Steeler Pride]

I’m sure liberals are loving this but many of them think Covid is a death sentence. What happens if Trump in his 70s gets Covid and is fine in a week or so? May just open people’s eyes to the fact most people recover from it.

No, the lib's argument for that is that we have no idea what the long term repercussions are for this virus...you might develop asthma 50 years from now if you had Covid in 2020. That is their next fear tactic, much like adding 500 list of symptoms to Covid, next it will be every medical condition you ever have in your lifetime will be from someone having Covid in 2020.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

No, the lib's argument for that is that we have no idea what the long term repercussions are for this virus...you might develop asthma 50 years from now if you had Covid in 2020. That is their next fear tactic, much like adding 500 list of symptoms to Covid, next it will be every medical condition you ever have in your lifetime will be from someone having Covid in 2020.

So it's like climate change.

 

[Steeltime]

So it's like climate change.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Cam Newton tests positive....will the NFL overlook the Pats too?

 

[Punxsutawney]

I’m sure liberals are loving this but many of them think Covid is a death sentence. What happens if Trump in his 70s gets Covid and is fine in a week or so? May just open people’s eyes to the fact most people recover from it.

Trump is in the prime risk demographic.

It could go either way, though he is apparently fine for the moment.

 

[Steelworth]

I’m sure liberals are loving this but many of them think Covid is a death sentence. What happens if Trump in his 70s gets Covid and is fine in a week or so? May just open people’s eyes to the fact most people recover from it.

Especially when discovered and treated early. And Trump may be the 'prime demographic', but those people (according to the CDC) also have like 2.6 or 2.8 comorbidities on average (where it becomes fatal I guess). I'm going to assume that's some sort of pulmonary or heart disease, diabetes etc. I'm guessing Trump has HBP (obviously controlled) from his lousy diet, a high BMI and the insanity he has to deal with on a regular basis and that's likely it. I don't know if obesity is considered a comorbidity or what?

Governor Ralph Northam aka Mr. Lockdown aka Mr. Mask (must have gotten used to wearing those over the years) also has Covid-19 but I hear nary a peep from the MSM on that one. They should have taken greater precautions at the SCOTUS ceremony though no doubt, saw way too many people hugging & shaking hands.

 

[Stoney]

Especially when discovered and treated early. And Trump may be the 'prime demographic', but those people (according to the CDC) also have like 2.6 or 2.8 comorbidities on average (where it becomes fatal I guess). I'm going to assume that's some sort of pulmonary or heart disease, diabetes etc. I'm guessing Trump has HBP (obviously controlled) from his lousy diet, a high BMI and the insanity he has to deal with on a regular basis and that's likely it. I don't know if obesity is considered a comorbidity or what?

Governor Ralph Northam aka Mr. Lockdown aka Mr. Mask (must have gotten used to wearing those over the years) also has Covid-19 but I hear nary a peep from the MSM on that one. They should have taken greater precautions at the SCOTUS ceremony though no doubt, saw way too many people hugging & shaking hands.

If he recovers without further worsening symptoms, their argument will be, "not everyone has access to the level of healthcare he received".

And that may be true, but I think they are either over-treating him due to his position, or they may be exaggerating the type of treatment he is getting to show how many options currently exist. Again, my father-in-law fought covid off with Tylenol and Robitussin, and he is 80 y/o and has multiple comorbidities. He never had more than fatigue, minor cough, and low-grade fever, which is how the President's symptoms are currently being described.

 

[Steelworth]

If he recovers without further worsening symptoms, their argument will be, "not everyone has access to the level of healthcare he received".

And that may be true, but I think they are either over-treating him due to his position, or they may be exaggerating the type of treatment he is getting to show how many options currently exist. Again, my father-in-law fought covid off with Tylenol and Robitussin, and he is 80 y/o and has multiple comorbidities. He never had more than fatigue, minor cough, and low-grade fever, which is how the President's symptoms are currently being described.

My mom's 77-year-old friend in a nursing home who had such issues with breathing (COPD) and I think mitral valve leakage that it left him unable to walk for several months, he got Covid-19 as well. He spent one day hospitalized, and was discharged and is back at his nursing home.

Now I'm not saying it isn't serious and that some people suffer more serious side effects & health issues, but influenza can do the same damn thing to people in that age category. They didn't shut the country down and spread mass hysteria over that.

 

[JMM]

Now I'm not saying it isn't serious and that some people suffer more serious side effects & health issues, but influenza can do the same damn thing to people in that age category. They didn't shut the country down and spread mass hysteria over that.

Yes but this is new. This is the first time Trump has had to run for re-election and the Russia thing was losing steam.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Yes but this is new. This is the first time Trump has had to run for re-election and the Russia thing was losing steam.

I think it’s under that BlazeTV hunter binden doc I watched. It goes directly into this. The second he stated pulling out of China accords, certain trade deals. Folks in world circles were mentioning something to the effect of global pathogen. Sorry I can’t recall. It was in the second or third one.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Who’s ready for soo much spin from the left bc of the last part

 

[Steelr4evr]

Who’s ready for soo much spin from the left bc of the last part

It's not what the left does or says. It's how you counter. They should be disregarded as the lunatic fringe. Don't let them be a distraction. I wish more Republicans would go on offense instead of reacting and being defensive over things that are irrelevant and false. Keep pushing up the hill and knock the shitheads out of the way.


My Sunday vent...haha

 

[Booted]

Not sure if this was posted. Cuomo laughing it up over a young man dying from Covid. And , I can't tell...is that Chris Rock cracking the "Now he's dead" line?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Not sure if this was posted. Cuomo laughing it up over a young man dying from Covid. And , I can't tell...is that Chris Rock cracking the "Now he's dead" line?

Using “a” death as your platform is ridiculous. Laughing about it, well,...MT would say “obviously” he is twatwaffle

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Covid will come and go, but the government will never forget how easy it was to totally control your life.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Covid will come and go, but the government will never forget how easy it was to totally control your life.

Shirt. I call shirt.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Well my “quarantine” is almost over. I’m supposed to go back to work on Friday (ONE DAY). I’m taking a personal day. For as overprotective as SpEd parents are, they sure wanted their kids back in school for ONE DAY this week. Admin had tried to get us to come back on Monday, 2 weeks after the positive test result, but ONE parent knew that it was 2 weeks from EXPOSURE and bitched to have his kid sent back on Friday. So all kids in the class come back then. It’s been a total waste of time. You have the 2 paranoid staff who didn’t even open their front doors to do ANYTHING, the semi paranoid one who only went into her backyard, and then the other 3 (me included). We stayed away from school but still did other things like run errands and the like. I’ve been walking about 4 miles every day and enjoying the crisp fall air. After spending March through June in lockdown, any type of lockdown now just makes no sense and is overkill. Quarantine is bullshit too. Fauci said last week to quarantine outside and avoid spending time indoors. So I did just that.

Oh...and **** Covid.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Well isn't this interesting. Fear mongers screaming and yelling about college students being super spreaders of COVID, killing the world!

More evidence all of this is over-hyped. Nearly 70,000 college students with COVID, 3 hospitalizations, 0 deaths. It isn't EVEN the flu for the young.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

On the never-ending mask debate, some pretty interesting finds.

Do Masks Really Work? Here's What the Charts Tell Us

The million-dollar question right now, with regards to COVID-19, is “Do masks work?”

President Trump’s recent COVID-19 diagnosis has many of his haters crying foul over his attitude about masks. They blame that for his catching the virus.

Those same people then had a hissy fit when Trump did a drive-by outside Walter Reed in a vehicle where everyone inside was wearing a mask.

So, the question is, do masks prevent the spread of COVID-19? The best way to answer this question is to look at how mask mandates have impacted infection rates. So, let’s do that.

Here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in Hawaii, compared with the state’s mask mandates:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in Hawaii. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/C2k3wN1yvK">pic.twitter.com/C2k3wN1yvK</a></p>— Matt Margolis &#55356;&#56826;&#55356;&#56824; (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313487393299869699?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in Los Angeles, Orange, Ventura, and San Diego counties in California, compared with the respective county’s mask mandates:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in LA, Orange, Ventura and San Diego counties. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/ShL6VrNW6I">pic.twitter.com/ShL6VrNW6I</a></p>— Matt Margolis &#55356;&#56826;&#55356;&#56824; (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313487827150266368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Let’s try another region of the country. Here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in Kansas, compared with the state’s mask mandates:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in Kansas. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/BsNSNAYbuY">pic.twitter.com/BsNSNAYbuY</a></p>— Matt Margolis &#55356;&#56826;&#55356;&#56824; (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313488087243255821?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in West Virginia, compared with the state’s mask mandate:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in West Virginia. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/M6WaAMguCH">pic.twitter.com/M6WaAMguCH</a></p>— Matt Margolis &#55356;&#56826;&#55356;&#56824; (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313488380697681924?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

See any correlation? Me neither. What about outside the United States? Let’s take a look.

Now here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in Peru, compared with the country’s mask mandate:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in Peru. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/2wG679czFd">pic.twitter.com/2wG679czFd</a></p>— Matt Margolis &#55356;&#56826;&#55356;&#56824; (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313488560331386882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in Spain, compared with the country’s mask mandates:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in Spain. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/C6S7yy6AFE">pic.twitter.com/C6S7yy6AFE</a></p>— Matt Margolis &#55356;&#56826;&#55356;&#56824; (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313490859787247619?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And finally, here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in France, compared with the country’s mask mandates:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in France. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/aQMazSahJ3">pic.twitter.com/aQMazSahJ3</a></p>— Matt Margolis &#55356;&#56826;&#55356;&#56824; (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313491156118974465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

n case it isn’t obvious, these charts fail to show any correlation between mask mandates (which presumably increase the wearing of masks) and reductions in COVID-19 infections. If you look at all of the available charts over at Rational Ground, you’ll see there are some instances of infection rates declining after a mask mandate was imposed, but those mandates were put in place after infection rates were already on the decline. For example, this chart showing New York City’s daily new cases of COVID-19.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in New York. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/GkBPXwwVPh">pic.twitter.com/GkBPXwwVPh</a></p>— Matt Margolis &#55356;&#56826;&#55356;&#56824; (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313492238035554308?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Like countries that experience that experienced huge spikes early in the pandemic, New York City’s daily new cases followed roughly the same pattern.

There are more graphs over at Rational Ground you can look at, and you can decide for yourself, and then ask why Joe Biden seems intent on imposing an unconstitutional federal mask mandate.

 

[jitter77]

Looks like it's our turn to get whacked. From our testing Monday we received 7 positive resident cases today all came from the same hall, but so far no one has symptoms

 

[Troglodyte]

On the never-ending mask debate, some pretty interesting finds.

Do Masks Really Work? Here's What the Charts Tell Us

The million-dollar question right now, with regards to COVID-19, is “Do masks work?”

President Trump’s recent COVID-19 diagnosis has many of his haters crying foul over his attitude about masks. They blame that for his catching the virus.

Those same people then had a hissy fit when Trump did a drive-by outside Walter Reed in a vehicle where everyone inside was wearing a mask.

So, the question is, do masks prevent the spread of COVID-19? The best way to answer this question is to look at how mask mandates have impacted infection rates. So, let’s do that.

Here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in Hawaii, compared with the state’s mask mandates:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in Hawaii. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/C2k3wN1yvK">pic.twitter.com/C2k3wN1yvK</a></p>— Matt Margolis ���� (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313487393299869699?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in Los Angeles, Orange, Ventura, and San Diego counties in California, compared with the respective county’s mask mandates:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in LA, Orange, Ventura and San Diego counties. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/ShL6VrNW6I">pic.twitter.com/ShL6VrNW6I</a></p>— Matt Margolis ���� (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313487827150266368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Let’s try another region of the country. Here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in Kansas, compared with the state’s mask mandates:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in Kansas. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/BsNSNAYbuY">pic.twitter.com/BsNSNAYbuY</a></p>— Matt Margolis ���� (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313488087243255821?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in West Virginia, compared with the state’s mask mandate:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in West Virginia. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/M6WaAMguCH">pic.twitter.com/M6WaAMguCH</a></p>— Matt Margolis ���� (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313488380697681924?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

See any correlation? Me neither. What about outside the United States? Let’s take a look.

Now here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in Peru, compared with the country’s mask mandate:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in Peru. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/2wG679czFd">pic.twitter.com/2wG679czFd</a></p>— Matt Margolis ���� (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313488560331386882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in Spain, compared with the country’s mask mandates:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in Spain. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/C6S7yy6AFE">pic.twitter.com/C6S7yy6AFE</a></p>— Matt Margolis ���� (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313490859787247619?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And finally, here’s a chart showing daily new cases of COVID-19 in France, compared with the country’s mask mandates:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in France. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/aQMazSahJ3">pic.twitter.com/aQMazSahJ3</a></p>— Matt Margolis ���� (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313491156118974465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

n case it isn’t obvious, these charts fail to show any correlation between mask mandates (which presumably increase the wearing of masks) and reductions in COVID-19 infections. If you look at all of the available charts over at Rational Ground, you’ll see there are some instances of infection rates declining after a mask mandate was imposed, but those mandates were put in place after infection rates were already on the decline. For example, this chart showing New York City’s daily new cases of COVID-19.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily cases per 1M population in New York. Did the mask mandates work?<br><br>Chart by <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ianmSC</a> via <a href="https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb">https://t.co/M68xNkJFXb</a> <a href="https://t.co/GkBPXwwVPh">pic.twitter.com/GkBPXwwVPh</a></p>— Matt Margolis ���� (@mattmargolis) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1313492238035554308?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Like countries that experience that experienced huge spikes early in the pandemic, New York City’s daily new cases followed roughly the same pattern.

There are more graphs over at Rational Ground you can look at, and you can decide for yourself, and then ask why Joe Biden seems intent on imposing an unconstitutional federal mask mandate.

Does locking your Covid positive kid in his room prevent Covid from spreading? You didn’t have any problem doing that!

Because they implemented mask mandates when cases started to rise and continued to see cases rise, doesn’t prove anything, Tim. 13 countries had less Covid cases than the White House last week. But you and Trump go on promoting not wearing masks, I think it’s really beginning to resonate with people. I mean, why wouldn’t it?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Does locking your Covid positive kid in his room prevent Covid from spreading? You didn’t have any problem doing that!

Because they implemented mask mandates when cases started to rise and continued to see cases rise, doesn’t prove anything, Tim. 13 countries had less Covid cases than the White House last week. But you and Trump go on promoting not wearing masks, I think it’s really beginning to resonate with people. I mean, why wouldn’t it?

Point to where I'm promoting not wearing them?

I'm questioning their effectiveness. Don't expect you to appreciate the difference between promoting not wearing them and questioning their effectiveness.

Here's another idea you can noodle on...my son got COVID. His first symptoms were on Saturday. Didn't tell anyone because he thought they were nothing. He got tested/confirmed on a Tuesday. During those 3 days, I was around him a couple/few hours a day. Inside...the most dangerous place to be. No masks. Sometimes sitting shoulder to shoulder on a couch.

After he got it, I entered his room 6 times to deliver meds for his ear ache, to deliver food, remove plates...sometimes with nothing more than my hand over my mouth.

My wife entered several times as well.

We had the air conditioning on. The intake is just outside his bedroom door...sucking all of his foul COVID infected air into the central air system.

We let him leave to take isolated walks in isolated areas. Or to go to the deck to lay in the sun.

Not one of us got it but him.

We know COVID is your new religion flog.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Just more news that COVID isn't what we thought it was...sorry Flog, know this isn't what you've been rooting for.

Did WHO official just admit that COVID-19 death rate is similar to that of the flu?

It was the single most impactful fact disseminated by the World Health Organization in influencing the unprecedented global panic over this virus. They claimed in early March that the infection fatality rate (IFR) for COVID-19 was 3.4%. Those of us who paid attention always knew that it was bogus, but how ironic that a top WHO official has now given us the denominator we were looking for, which proves that the fatality rate of this virus is right in line with seasonal flus, although more people will be infected.

Late last week, Dr. Mike Ryan, the executive director of the WHO's health emergencies programme, said that "our best guess" is that 10 percent of the world has been infected with the virus. That is roughly 750 million people. While he meant to sow panic and push for more restrictions, he inadvertently let the cat out of the bag and gave us the infection fatality rate.

According to the WHO, roughly 1 million people have died from the virus. Let's put aside the fact that so many of those people died with the virus, not because of it and that a majority would have died within the year. Working with their official count, it would mean the implied infection fatality rate for the world, according to the WHO, is 0.13%.

Guess what else has a similar fatality rate? If you guessed the plain old flu, you won the jackpot. Here are the estimated fatality rates in the U.S. of the past decade worth of flu seasons based on CDC data.

Notice how the death rate for COVID-19 is in line with that of the seasonal flu. The 2017/2018 flu season was even considered a pandemic, and according to CDC's projected estimates, the death toll was "more than 80,000." That would result in an IFR of at least 0.18%. Yet, nobody in this country outside of those in health care circles even remembers it.

It's also important to keep in mind that the past two flu seasons were very mild, so COVID-19 likely killed out more people who were slated to die from respiratory viruses over the three-year window. Preliminary estimates of the 2019-20 flu season project just 22,000 deaths. Additionally, according to CDC, the flu essentially disappeared from the Southern Hemisphere this summer and there is solid evidence that the two respiratory viruses don't mix in the Northern Hemisphere either. Thus, you have to subtract the amount of typical flu deaths that we are missing and only focus on the net result, which further lowers the excess death burden of this virus. The number of flu deaths will likely remain low for the next year or two as a result of COVID-19.

Imagine what the fatality rate would have been had the World Health Organization not followed China's advice to liberally place people on ventilators during the early months of the epidemic?

Also, as time goes on, more and more people are getting the virus, yet fewer people are dying than before. For example, despite an explosion of cases in Europe, there are very few deaths. One doctor calculated the case fatality rate (CFR) in some European countries at 0.76%.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I calculated the past 30-day Case Fatality Rate (CFR) for COVID-19 in Europe*<br><br>CFR = 0.76% (IFR is much lower)<br><br>There are currently <2 daily deaths per TEN MILLION persons from COVID-19......This is lower than Europe's suicide rate.<br><br>*Spain, Italy, France, UK, Switzerland, Sweden <a href="https://t.co/1wQETf6zKU">pic.twitter.com/1wQETf6zKU</a></p>— James Todaro, MD (@JamesTodaroMD) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1299042149749739520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Typically, the infection fatality rate (IFR), which factors in all the undetected cases, is as much as 10 times lower than the fatality rate of known cases, which disproportionately include the more clinically acute cases.

Nowhere is this dynamic more evident than among college students. Unlike younger children who have shown very little capacity to spread the virus, college kids are spreading the virus like wildfire in dorms. Yet, according to Dr. Andrew Bostom of Brown University, who tabulated the data from 50 university systems, there were just three hospitalizations out of nearly 70,000 cases. There have been no reported COVID-19 deaths on campus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While ZERO/ 488 Temple U students C19+ have been hospitalized <a href="https://t.co/CqjihBqN7N">https://t.co/CqjihBqN7N</a> TWO likely drunk 19yo Temple U students were hospitalized with multiple trauma after falling from the roof of a 4-story building <a href="https://t.co/sVR5dx31yj">https://t.co/sVR5dx31yj</a></p>— Andrew Bostom (@andrewbostom) <a href="https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1313168238306619404?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The overreaction to the fatality rate and overstating of our ability to even mitigate it has real life consequences. Consider the fact that in Third World countries, the death rate from the virus has been particularly low, yet the disrupting responses to it led by Western elites have killed more people particularly in those countries. According to a report published last Thursday by Oxfam International, a massive global famine relief charity, 121 million more people could be "pushed to the brink of starvation this year," with as many as 12,000 dying a day from hunger due to the shutdowns and restrictions on commerce and production across the world. This is on top of more people dying from missed vaccinations, malaria, and medical treatment.

Thus, while western leaders can virtue signal about the need to stay home – all the while enjoying their fat paychecks and Amazon deliveries working from home – those in Africa and other underdeveloped areas will pay with their lives. This is all for a virus that has roughly the same fatality rate as the flu, albeit most people experience milder symptoms, often like those of spring allergies. To be fair, more people will get this virus than during a typical flu season, which will add to the death count, but there has been no proven method of stopping the spread.

What is so sad is that our leaders understood this reality before the media turned the virus into a political issue and decades of science and human experience were extirpated in favor of the virtue signaling opportunity of a lifetime. On March 26, Dr. Anthony Fauci, along with National Institutes of Health deputy director of clinical research Clifford Lane and CDC Director Robert Redfield, published an article in the New England Journal of Medicine making exactly this point. They predicted that once the true number of asymptomatic and subclinical cases would be factored in, "the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively."

Sadly, they didn't factor in the virtue signaling they'd eventually endorse, and the countless lives lost to suicide, drug addiction, famine, and missed medical care thanks to their subsequent decision to exchange science for power and control.