The Coronavirus thread

[tapeANaspirin2it]

An Austrian Lawmaker stood up and tested a glass of Coca Cola for covid and guess what... Positive

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...id-infection-colleagues-drink-tests-positive/

Austrian FPÖ Member of Parliament Michael Schnedlitz administered a COVID-19 PCR test to the beverage Coca Cola in the plenum before his colleagues. The popular drink tested positive for the COVID-19 coronavirus.

He said he was performing the test live before parliament: “so you can see how worthless and misguided these mass tests are.”
He continued: “The evidence is overwhelming, starting with the absolutely absurd mass tests that are currently being carried out, which are nothing more than a large-scale redistribution of tens of millions of euros in tax money from the population…it can’t go on like this.”

Schnedlitz later wrote on his Facebook page: “The coronavirus mass tests are worthless! This was also shown by a simple experiment in parliament, in which cola got a positive result! But this government spends tens of millions in taxpayers’ money for precisely these tests.”
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[tapeANaspirin2it]

is the resistance starting?

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[Superman]

https://reason.com/2020/12/28/newly...ROLUznfCjz1nz-Db0HT0EAN2b-rR-EUUym1DrxatPZ8hw

Newly Recorded COVID-19 Cases and Deaths Are Falling in the U.S.
It's not clear how long those hopeful trends will continue.
JACOB SULLUM | 12.28.2020 4:10 PM

Newly recorded COVID-19 cases and deaths in the United States, which rose dramatically this fall, now seem to be declining. According to Worldometer's numbers, the seven-day average of daily new cases fell by 18 percent between December 18 and yesterday. The seven-day average of daily deaths has fallen by 19 percent since December 22.

Daily new cases in the U.S. are still five times as high as they were in mid-September, while daily deaths are three times as high as they were in mid-October. But the seven-day average of daily deaths, about 2,200 as of yesterday, has dropped slightly below last spring's peak after exceeding it for several weeks. The recent trends, assuming they continue, are a hopeful sign that the winter might not be quite as deadly as many people feared.

Back in October, for instance, Joe Biden said "the expectation is we'll have another 200,000 Americans dead [from COVID-19] between now and the end of the year." That implied a total U.S. death toll of about 423,000 by January 1. Per Worldometer, the current death toll is about 342,000. With four days to go in the year, it looks like Biden's projection will be off by 70,000 or so.

Allowing for the lag between laboratory confirmation and death, the recent drop in fatalities corresponds with a decrease in daily new cases recorded in late November. Since newly identified infections are falling again, it is plausible that daily deaths will continue to fall as well.

But for how long? Since COVID-19 symptoms that might prompt someone to seek testing appear two to 14 days after infection, the increase in confirmed cases following the dip in late November is consistent with the fear that gatherings over Thanksgiving weekend would boost virus transmission. The impact of Christmas and New Year's Eve gatherings may not be fully apparent until mid-January or later.

The pessimistic take on the recent dip in daily new cases is that it simply represents a falloff from the surge associated with Thanksgiving, which suggests that cases and deaths will rise again as infections tied to Christmas and New Year's Eve celebrations show up in the official tallies. A more optimistic interpretation is that the dramatic increases in cases and deaths have encouraged wider and more consistent compliance with COVID-19 precautions.

Did the new legal restrictions imposed by many states also play a role? Maybe, although a comparison of the two most populous states seems inconsistent with that hypothesis. California, where Gov. Gavin Newsom has imposed a raft of new restrictions, has seen a smaller decline in daily deaths than Texas, where Gov. Greg Abbott has taken a more lenient approach.

However you interpret current trends, they show that continued increases in new cases and deaths are not inevitable. The way Americans choose to behave in the months until vaccines are widely available will determine exactly how deadly the pandemic proves to be.

 

[hamster]

Considering the not large size of my house it is unlikely. We ordered a large amount of Zinc and Vitamin D for the household.

I have been taking Vitamin D since April, and zinc since October.

And I believe this PCR testing program is a scam. Protect and vaccinate the most at risk, let everyone else go about their business.

 

[oneforthebus]

is the resistance starting?

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Two things: Why someone wastes their time debating with drug store clerks who have a job they have to do and no choice in the matter is beyond me.

Two, asymptomatic spread IS a thing. I spent an evening around a firepit with 9 other completely healthy seeming people and ended up sick 5 days later. It's the only time I've been around people outside of my family without masks on in weeks.

While my illness and my family's illness may end up being totally benign, how am I going to feel if God forbid that doesn't end up being the case? What if someone who was there spread the illness to someone who ends up dying?

Wear a mask. It's really not that big of a deal. I wish I had done it, or skipped the party entirely.

 

[Superman]

Two things: Why someone wastes their time debating with drug store clerks who have a job they have to do and no choice in the matter is beyond me.

Two, asymptomatic spread IS a thing. I spent an evening around a firepit with 9 other completely healthy seeming people and ended up sick 5 days later. It's the only time I've been around people outside of my family without masks on in weeks.

While my illness and my family's illness may end up being totally benign, how am I going to feel if God forbid that doesn't end up being the case? What if someone who was there spread the illness to someone who ends up dying?

Wear a mask. It's really not that big of a deal. I wish I had done it, or skipped the party entirely.

you insinuate that you were completely healthy prior to the get-together. thus, wearing a mask is not going to keep you from getting the Rona. Masks only prevent you from spreading it if you have it. Since you felt fine before, you likely did not have it. That you're now ill, suggests that yes, you did get it from there or somewhere else, as you said. Is it not out of the realm of possiblities to believe someone was there with symptoms, but dismissed them as being irrational or overblown? I'd think that if someone had sniffles or a sore throat that they'd stay home and not go to some get-together. Is it not also possible that you contracted it from a surface there? As you said, people were likely going to/from the restroom and restrooms harbor germs. It's also possible that someone picked it up while stopping to get beer/wine on the way to the party and did not show symptoms until the next day. Regardless, you should be fine, as you're not a senior citizen in a NY nursing home.

 

[oneforthebus]

you insinuate that you were completely healthy prior to the get-together. thus, wearing a mask is not going to keep you from getting the Rona. Masks only prevent you from spreading it if you have it. Since you felt fine before, you likely did not have it. That you're now ill, suggests that yes, you did get it from there or somewhere else, as you said. Is it not out of the realm of possiblities to believe someone was there with symptoms, but dismissed them as being irrational or overblown? I'd think that if someone had sniffles or a sore throat that they'd stay home and not go to some get-together. Is it not also possible that you contracted it from a surface there? As you said, people were likely going to/from the restroom and restrooms harbor germs. It's also possible that someone picked it up while stopping to get beer/wine on the way to the party and did not show symptoms until the next day. Regardless, you should be fine, as you're not a senior citizen in a NY nursing home.

No way to know anything for sure but seems like quite the coincidence that the first time I was around people without a mask on in weeks, several of us got sick.

Can I know for sure that nobody had a hint of symptom? Of course not. No one can. Hence why wearing masks makes sense.

 

[Badcat]

, asymptomatic spread IS a thing. I spent an evening around a firepit with 9 other completely healthy seeming people and ended up sick 5 days later. It's the only time I've been around people outside of my family without masks on in weeks.

While my illness and my family's illness may end up being totally benign, how am I going to feel if God forbid that doesn't end up being the case? What if someone who was there spread the illness to someone who ends up dying?

Wear a mask. It's really not that big of a deal. I wish I had done it, or skipped the party entirely.

I looked it up after watching this, and asymptomatic spread is a low 17%. You don't know if the mask would have prevented you from getting it, and it's even less probable due to you all being outdoors and more likely that you touched contaminated surfaces. Couple that with the fact that masks provide very little protection to others and in some respects, do more harm to the person who wears the mask

Like you stated, "skip the party entirely". You made a decision and you're paying for it. I wish we would all be given the freedoms to make those decisions for ourselves. There is inherent risk in all that we do. Hell, 12,000 people a year die from falling down the stairs and another 3,000 from food poisoning. I mean, who knew heading downstairs for breakfast was so dangerous.

 

[Steeltime]

Two, asymptomatic spread IS a thing. I spent an evening around a firepit with 9 other completely healthy seeming people and ended up sick 5 days later. It's the only time I've been around people outside of my family without masks on in weeks.

Asymptomatic spread exits but is a very small thing.

Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19 didn’t occur at all, study of 10 million finds

Only 300 asymptomatic cases in the study of nearly 10 million were discovered, and none of those tested positive for COVID-19.

WUHAN, China, December 23, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – A study of almost 10 million people in Wuhan, China, found that asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 did not occur at all, thus undermining the need for lockdowns, which are built on the premise of the virus being unwittingly spread by infectious, asymptomatic people.

Published in November in the scientific journal Nature Communications, the paper was compiled by 19 scientists, mainly from the Huazhong University of Science and Technology in Wuhan, but also from scientific institutions across China as well as in the U.K. and Australia. It focused on the residents of Wuhan, ground zero for COVID-19, where 9,899,828 people took part in a screening program between May 14 and June 1, which provided clear results as to the possibility of any asymptomatic transmission of the virus.

Asymptomatic transmission has been the underlying justification of lockdowns enforced all across the world. The most recent guidance from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) still states that the virus “can be spread by people who do not have symptoms.” In fact, the CDC claimed that asymptomatic people “are estimated to account for more than 50 percent of transmissions.”

U.K. Health Secretary Matt Hancock also promoted this message, explaining that the concept of asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 led to the U.K. advocating masks and referring to the “problem of asymptomatic transmission.”

However, the new study in Nature Communications, titled “Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly 10 million residents of Wuhan, China,” debunked the concept of asymptomatic transmission.

It stated that out of the nearly 10 million people in the study, “300 asymptomatic cases” were found. Contact tracing was then carried out and of those 300, no cases of COVID-19 were detected in any of them. “A total of 1,174 close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases were traced, and they all tested negative for the COVID-19.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a...-didnt-occur-at-all-study-of-10-million-finds

Wear a mask. It's really not that big of a deal. I wish I had done it, or skipped the party entirely.

Mask wearing basically does not prevent the person wearing it from contracting the virus, since a cloth mask is 100% incapable of preventing the virus from reaching the wearer's eyes, face or mouth. A cloth mask is not a properly-fitted N95 mask. It just isn't. Mask wearing helps reduce the spread by limiting the amount of airborne virus expelled by an infected person wearing the mask when he or she laughs, talks, coughs or sneezes.

 

[oneforthebus]

Mask wearing basically does not prevent the person wearing it from contracting the virus, since a cloth mask is 100% incapable of preventing the virus from reaching the wearer's eyes, face or mouth. A cloth mask is not a properly-fitted N95 mask. It just isn't. Mask wearing helps reduce the spread by limiting the amount of airborne virus expelled by an infected person wearing the mask when he or she laughs, talks, coughs or sneezes.

I'm not suggesting my personally not wearing a mask is why I got sick. I'm suggesting that if all of us were wearing masks we may not have gotten sick. Impossible to say who was the infector and who were the infectees.

Although there are some studies that show mask wearing can reduce the amount of viral particles the wearer inhales, thus either preventing infection or making infection less severe.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/2...-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/

As I've said before, I don't think they are perfect. But there really aren't many good reasons not to wear them.

 

[JMM]

Are masks the new thing nowadays? People carry around all kinds of bugs from the common cold to hepatitis to the flu. Are we going to continue wearing them after Covid 19 exits stage left or becomes Covid 20/21? I'd imagine not. I think after another month or so they'll be a CDC study that shows they are not effective and may cause more bacterial infections in patients with reduced lung capacity. The media will fawn all over it and we can once again go to restaurants and businesses mask less. Unless you really want to wear a mask.

 

[Steeltime]

I'm not suggesting my personally not wearing a mask is why I got sick. I'm suggesting that if all of us were wearing masks we may not have gotten sick. Impossible to say who was the infector and who were the infectees.

That is interesting. If nobody coughed or laughed loudly at the gathering, possible you may have picked it up somewhere else.

Although there are some studies that show mask wearing can reduce the amount of viral particles the wearer inhales, thus either preventing infection or making infection less severe.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/2...-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/

Yeah, but that analysis never made sense to me. Specifically, the amount of virus ingested via airborne exposure is miniscule. Once the virus reaches, however, it replicates. The article you linked noted in part, "Among the 4862 participants who completed the trial, infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 of 2392 (1.8%) in the intervention arm and 53 of 2470 (2.1%) in the control group. The between-group difference was −0.3% point (95% CI, −1.2 to 0.4%; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). This led to the published conclusion: “The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.”

The change was in fact 0.3% in terms of number infected and the article actually does NOT posit that the reduced infection was due to the mask wearer inhaling "less" virus. It simply does not say that.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Just got back from my brother’s wedding in Baton Rouge. There were maybe 30 people tops there...and no mask wearing. It was liberating. The wedding was at my new SIL’s parents’ house- outdoors. We did have to wear a mask in the hotel lobby and on the plane, which sucked. It was so nice being around people who aren’t Covid phobic.

 

[oneforthebus]

Are masks the new thing nowadays? People carry around all kinds of bugs from the common cold to hepatitis to the flu. Are we going to continue wearing them after Covid 19 exits stage left or becomes Covid 20/21? I'd imagine not. I think after another month or so they'll be a CDC study that shows they are not effective and may cause more bacterial infections in patients with reduced lung capacity. The media will fawn all over it and we can once again go to restaurants and businesses mask less. Unless you really want to wear a mask.

When is the last time you went to a party and learned 6 or 7 people at the party had influenza within the next few days? When was the last time your hospital ran out of ICU beds because of the flu?

This virus isn't particularly deadly in most people but it is extremely contagious.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

When is the last time you went to a party and learned 6 or 7 people at the party had influenza within the next few days? When was the last time your hospital ran out of ICU beds because of the flu?

This virus isn't particularly deadly in most people but it is extremely contagious.

The CDC keeps adding symptoms- which are mild and stupid in most cases. We are panicking over sniffles and common colds now. Pink eye is a symptom of Covid. PINK EYE. Something a mask cannot protect you from. So I don’t think it’s as contagious as what we are led to believe. We were told here before Christmas that our ICUs are at capacity and nothing can be done. Friend of ours collapsed 2 days ago and is on a ventilator-
NOT COVID- and he is in the ICU and can have visitors. The media leads you to believe otherwise. So from my personal experience (which to me means more than anything), this whole “pandemic” has been a mind-**** on our society.

 

[Badcat]

When is the last time you went to a party and learned 6 or 7 people at the party had influenza within the next few days? When was the last time your hospital ran out of ICU beds because of the flu?

This virus isn't particularly deadly in most people but it is extremely contagious.

I'm a Wrestling Coach, the whole damn team, including the Coaching Staff goes down with the Flu every year and within a week or two of one another. What was odd last year...We all got the Flu in Early Jan and then caught a worse flu in February. We're guessing the February flu was WuHan.

The difference in the Flu and Covid is that no one was afraid of the Flu. You take your Nyquil and rest up only going to the hospital if it gave you a sinus infection or Pneumonia. The Media has everyone scared shitless and people are storming the hospitals over flu symptoms.

 

[oneforthebus]

I'm a Wrestling Coach, the whole damn team, including the Coaching Staff goes down with the Flu every year and within a week or two of one another. What was odd last year...We all got the Flu in Early Jan and then caught a worse flu in February. We're guessing the February flu was WuHan.

The difference in the Flu and Covid is that no one was afraid of the Flu. You take your Nyquil and rest up only going to the hospital if it gave you a sinus infection or Pneumonia. The Media has everyone scared shitless and people are storming the hospitals over flu symptoms.

They don't put you into the ICU because of fear.

Whatever, these debates are pointless. Everybody just finds stuff that supports one side or the other and the reality is no one really knows ****.

As I've said before, virus gonna virus. I've been very careful, made one mistake and boom my whole family has it. No one is going to be perfect all of the time and that is just reality. Hence why it is currently spreading in places with severe lockdowns.

To me that doesn't negate the wisdom of taking what precautions we can, even if they aren't super effective. There's merit to slowing it down some, even a little, if we can. That's all.

 

[Steeltime]

The difference in the Flu and Covid is that no one was afraid of the Flu. You take your Nyquil and rest up only going to the hospital if it gave you a sinus infection or Pneumonia. The Media has everyone scared shitless and people are storming the hospitals over flu symptoms.

"Yeah, but 330,000 dead from the Wuhan!"

I wish I could trust a single thing the Federal government tells me. Maybe I was naive growing up, believing that the Federal government generally told citizens the truth, but for a very, very long time I have known that is just not true. Think about a few examples where the government has flat-out lied to us:

• Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq merited a war.
• Changing immigration policies to favor Mexicans and Central Americans would not adversely affect the United States.
• We have probable cause to investigate a campaign for "Russian interference."
• We take care of your tax dollars.
• This is a nation of equal treatment under the law, and all are held to the same standard of behavior.
• Covid statistics are credible and transparent.
• We are not using the NSA to spy on American citizens.

So how many Americans actually died from the Chinese flu, as opposed to cancer, heart disease, or gunshot wound? We will never know.

What I do know is that I disbelieve any number given to me by the Federal government. Paid liars; professional liars; greedy liars; lying liars telling lies about their lies.

 

[Badcat]

They don't put you into the ICU because of fear.

Whatever, these debates are pointless. Everybody just finds stuff that supports one side or the other and the reality is no one really knows ****.

Fear drives the people towards the hospital...the Hospital throws people in the ICU and on a ventilator because of $$$$. But I agree with you, none of us knows a damn thing because we're all being told lies and misinformation. I hope you and your family feels better soon.

 

[oneforthebus]

Fear drives the people towards the hospital...the Hospital throws people in the ICU and on a ventilator because of $$$$. But I agree with you, none of us knows a damn thing because we're all being told lies and misinformation. I hope you and your family feels better soon.

LOL, you seriously believe doctors and nurses in hospitals put people in the ICU and on vents to make money? Come on man.

Thanks for the well wishes though.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Two things: Why someone wastes their time debating with drug store clerks who have a job they have to do and no choice in the matter is beyond me.

Two, asymptomatic spread IS a thing. I spent an evening around a firepit with 9 other completely healthy seeming people and ended up sick 5 days later. It's the only time I've been around people outside of my family without masks on in weeks.

While my illness and my family's illness may end up being totally benign, how am I going to feel if God forbid that doesn't end up being the case? What if someone who was there spread the illness to someone who ends up dying?

Wear a mask. It's really not that big of a deal. I wish I had done it, or skipped the party entirely.

Are your kids home for the holidays? Have they been in the house 24/7? Did anyone do Christmas shopping or food shopping on, before or around the holidays prior to the fire pit?

My kids are home, having friends over, both go to the gym daily, going out some nights to socialize with their friends. That's how I'll get it I'm sure. That's the highest likelihood.

Given that NYC contact tracing showed 73+% of cases come from at home spread, and 1.43% from in-restaurant dining, 2% from Retail...the higher chance is you caught it by someone bringing it home. Given you can carry it for what, up to two weeks prior to showing symptoms, I think it's super duper hard to pinpoint where you may have gotten it. Could be the fire pit, could be something else.

Regardless, wishing you well. Get through this.

 

[oneforthebus]

Are your kids home for the holidays? Have they been in the house 24/7? Did anyone do Christmas shopping or food shopping on, before or around the holidays prior to the fire pit?

My kids are home, having friends over, both go to the gym daily, going out some nights to socialize with their friends. That's how I'll get it I'm sure. That's the highest likelihood.

Given that NYC contact tracing showed 73+% of cases come from at home spread, and 1.43% from in-restaurant dining, 2% from Retail...the higher chance is you caught it by someone bringing it home. Given you can carry it for what, up to two weeks prior to showing symptoms, I think it's super duper hard to pinpoint where you may have gotten it. Could be the fire pit, could be something else.

Regardless, wishing you well. Get through this.

My kids are home but did not have close contact with friends in a week or so prior. Mainly because most of their friends have been laying low too. They are doing zoom happy hours and whatnot because their families are traveling, having relatives over etc. My daughter works at a retail store. The rest of us have of course been at grocery stores, malls etc. But I tend to think when several people who are all at one event all get it within a day or two of each other, there's a reasonable likelihood that's where it came from. That just seems logical to me. Of course no way to know for sure.

Thank you.

 

[oneforthebus]

By the way none of us can smell a thing now and most of us have very diminished or nonexistent sense of taste. None of us have a fever though. Very strange.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

My brother’s best friend was supposed to be in the wedding. 3 days before Christmas, he was exposed to 2 coworkers who tested positive. He got a test the same day/ negative. Then yesterday he got another one- negative again. His whole holiday was ruined- couldn’t go visit his parents or go to LA for the wedding. In any other day and ahe, he would have gone about his business. It sucks.

 

[Steeltime]

By the way none of us can smell a thing now ...

You may be able to stand time with Ogre then.