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“Overwhelming”? Never said that. I said there are still many people who want the vaccine who haven’t yet received it.

Where did I say anything about a vaccine shortage? Your reading comprehension sucks, especially for supposedly being a lawyer.

The only rational explanation as to why any significant number of people want the vaccine and cannot get it is lack of availability, a.k.a., a shortage. So your theory is that there are a lot of people who want the vaccine but have not had it yet, yet there is no shortage of the vaccine. At all. Anywhere. Why have they not had the readily-available, free vaccine when they want it? Floggy does not bother with things like facts.

Sure. Yeah. You bet. The large number of people you claim who want the vaccine but have not had it yet are hoping it appears and injects itself in the middle of the night, ala the tooth fairy. Alternatively, you once again just made up a claim out of whole cloth, completely false. Lying liar caught once again lying about his lies.


This is the CDC web-site for finding the vaccine or finding a shortage. steeltime always posting bad info

You imbecile, the site you linked shows where to get the Chinese flu vaccine. I linked to the actual CDC site for vaccine shortages, entitled "Current Vaccine Shortages and Delays."

I swear you have to be pretending to be this dumb. Nobody could be this stupid and feed himself. Honestly, nobody could possibly be this stupid.

Based on his infantile attitude and minimal grasp & understanding of the most rudimentary concepts, I have no idea how he was able to get a law degree. Maybe it was one of those online degrees from ACME Law School or something. The one thing that sticks out, is how Steeltime makes **** up out of thin air. Like that I worked as a barista in a coffee shop. Still laughing at that. I think it goes beyond an utter lack of intelligence, it's more a mental health issue, ie he may be hearing voices in his head. Poor fella.

Okay, I take that back. Coffee boy proves otherwise.
 
I’m vaccinated and worse a mask around others and I haven’t lived in Virginia in almost 20 years.

How is getting vaccinated “cheering this thing on”, Mr. HesitantandNOTVACCINATED?

So cases are dropping everywhere but not for long or not much more? Certainly not down to hundreds/day. WTF? Where do you stand?

You are seriously dumber than dog ****. Why I waste my intellect on you....

How do you read what I said and tie "getting vaccinated" to "cheering this thing on?" How? Just how? I, and countless others, have been calling you a COVID cheerleader, a CoronoBro, for months because of the obvious. You love this. You cheer it on. You're a lockdown cheerleader. And anything anyone posts that suggests, nay hints at COVID getting better you lose your mind. You want the lockdowns to continue. You want the masking to continue. You cheer when Red states' numbers go up, you ignore Blue states' failures in managing COVID. You are, as the apropos article states, tied to this ideologically.

Cases are dropping all across the country. You know that bubble you keep referencing? Pop out of it. Bypass Liberal La La Land like HuffPo and MSNBC, and go do some research.

I stand where I have all along. Sorry, it's tough debating someone with Aspergers and Tourettes, so stay on point. I'm with Dr Makary and others. I'll repeat what I've said hundreds of times. Open up. Get rid of the mask mandates. Let people live their lives. Herd immunity is here in areas, close in others. Certainly close enough that these lockdowns need not continue to destroy lives and take lives.

Same **** I've been saying for sometime now. Take your meds, pay close attention.
 
No, I believed in the science that it could be mitigated. The number of cases and subsequent hospitalizations and deaths was not predetermined. Neither was the amount of time it would take to get back to (mostly) normal. It could indeed be helped, other countries are the proof.
yeah, could be. if we lived in a petri dish inside a vacuum.

you refuse to acknowledge the very thing(s) @SteelerInLebanon said. You also only want to follow the science you agree with. You can only understand that which you are willing to accept. You point to other countries and I do recall pages and pages ago why and how @Tim Steelersfan showed you how and why those countries fared better. He explained it in such a way that even a 3rd grader could understand.

unfortunately, Buff skimped on the board upgrade and didnt use a Basic English to Flogese so you could be more aware of today's world.
 
From the SCIENCE, it's not sounding like it will ever be "defeated".
Seems it's going to be around forever like influenza, with different variations.

You saying the "science" in this context is like me saying Candace Owens is black. Come on man!!!! She ain't black, she's a Conservative. Black?? LOL

There's also now only once science too brah. That's Liberal science. Where there are 59 genders, life of a fetus does NOT being until it's mother says it's a life, and masks prevent the spread of Covid. Like race, science has been politicized. Man it doesn't matter if you have MIT or Yale telling you that social distancing doesn't work. They can prove it, outright prove it. Won't matter because it doesn't agree with the real, woke Liberal science and therefore shall not be recognized.

Your real science isn't real science unless it's Liberal made up science.

What do you identify as today?
 
What Coffee boy, Flog and 21IQ say vs. what they do and reality:

Tell us about their liberal economic geniusMooch off others on the site
Claim to support freedom in terms of medical decisions, e.g., abortionDemand others get a vaccine
Call those who ask questions about the vaccine "anti-vaxxers"Cannot cite a single instance, not one, where any person extolled others not to get the vaccine; instead, criticize individual choices about medical decisions
Claim that the Republican-led states are death houses, those guys are killing thousandsChoose to go to one of the death houses for vacation, apparently akin to skydiving and finding thrill in the risk. Or maybe just liars.
Claim to be followers of science, accuse those with differing views of being deniers and anti-scienceRespond to actual scientific papers, research showing their theories are wrong with shrieking, unhinged ad hominem attacks cuz "science."
Claim to be concerned for the fate of Americans cuz Chinese fluDon't give a **** if their obsessive belief in control kills thousands, ruins businesses, ruins lives because those people probably voted for Trump
Squeal on endlessly about how Trump is responsible for all these Chinese flu deathsNot one bad word - literally, not one - about the Chinese and their role in releasing the virus, probably from a lab.
Squeal on endlessly about how Trump is responsible for all these Chinese flu deathsNot a word, not a syllable, critical of the decisions by Cuomo and Wolf that killed tens of thousands
 
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The countries with low case rates aren’t claiming that.
the Countries with low case rates are equivalent to the size of States. Let's compare Europe as a whole to North America as a whole. Doesn't look as good for your argument does it?
 
So Wolf says masks go away at 70% vaccination levels. How kind of him to grant the freedoms back to the people.

But HypoFlog says masks go away when cases hit the "hundreds" (a different measure in PA than it is in CA btw) AND when demand for the vaccine ceases.

Man, y'all are rich I'll give you that.

I don't know how low cases will get. I know it isn't going away, which brings us to your last point. One piece of the science I do agree with, today (unless new research comes out) is that COVID is going to be like the flu, it mutates, we will never eradicate it. You deny "this" science and say that it will linger for decades because people won't get vaccinated - meaning you believe we can eradicate the virus if everyone gets vaccinated. We can't eradicate the flu or the cold. Bu you think we can and should try to eradicate COVID????

Jesus Christ, can I suggest you get the book The Hot Zone and read it? Please???
There may eventually be a universal vaccine in the not too distant future that is for all strains of the flu and Covid. Neither will be completely eradicated because there will always be science deniers and conspiracy theorist that refuse the vaccine.
 
The evidence as to the origins of the Chinese flu strongly suggest that it was the product of a manufactured virus in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, via the work of Dr. Shi Zheng-li, who set out to create novel coronaviruses with the highest possible infectivity for human cells. She was going to insert "spike genes" one by one into the backbone of a number of viral genomes, creating a series of chimeric viruses. The chimeric (i.e., combination) viruses would be tested for their ability to attack human cell cultures in vitro and mice.

Dr. Li admitted in an interview that much of this work was done in biosafety level ("BSL") 2, and not BSL 4, for the simple reason that working in a BSL 4 setting is cumbersome, slow, and difficult. BSL 2 safety protocol are the same as found in the United States ... in a dentist's office.

The United States State Department issued a finding on January 15, 2021, noting that "The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses.” Could have been a regular flu.

Could have been SARS-CoV-2 ("Covid").

Relative to the drumbeat of "conspiracy theory, look at the science" - anybody who cites a letter published in the Lancet on February 19, 2020 about the origin of the virus should research that letter. First, it is not a scientific research paper, with data that can be replicated and checked. It is simply a statement of opinion, supported by no science. Later detailed scientific research into the virus' genome showed several examples that the virus was man-made and not natural, including something called the "Furin cleavage site."

Sorry to disappoint many, but that has nothing to do with breasts and instead refers to the process by which the virus splits or "cleaves" to promote infection, i.e., survival. The Covid virus has the perfect furin cleavage site, one completely unique to the SARS viruses. That makes the virus much, much, much more contagious and is 100% consistent with man-made manufacture. "Since 1992 the virology community has known that the one sure way to make a virus deadlier is to give it a furin cleavage site at the S1/S2 junction in the laboratory,” wrote Dr. Steven Quay, a biotech entrepreneur interested in the origins of SARS2. “At least eleven gain-of-function experiments, adding a furin site to make a virus more infective, are published in the open literature, including [by] Dr. Zhengli Shi, head of coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.”

Second, turns out the letter was authored by one Peter Daszak. "So what; who is he?" Daszak is president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr. Daszak’s organization funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The February 19, 2020 letter failed to reveal that little tidbit.

Also, if as so many claim (for reasons that escape me at times), the virus is natural and comes from bats from the Yunnan caves, why did nobody in the Yunnan Province develop the flu first, or later, or now? Why don't bats in that area - the supposed natural source for the virus - have the disease?

The lack of bats with the disease, the lack of "natural" spread outside Wuhan, the very genome for the disease, Dr. Li's own statements, etc. provide compelling evidence the damn thing was manufactured and accidentally let loose on the world from a BSL 2 facility.
 
Cue Steeltime 3...2...1....and down the rabbit hole we go...yipee! That's what we need, even more conspiracy theories. Is that all that's left of MAGA in that pungent pile of smoldering embers & ash? Conspiracy theories on top of even more conspiracy theories?

It's like Trump showed up at your front door with a bone saw, cut your skulls open and snatched away your brains.


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the Countries with low case rates are equivalent to the size of States. Let's compare Europe as a whole to North America as a whole. Doesn't look as good for your argument does it?
RATE controls for differences in population size. European countries are much more densely populated than the US.
 
Decaf has literally not one actual fact to add to the discussion. Not one.

I cite specific evidence, statements by the Chinese researcher running the SARS experiments, statements by virologists about lab manipulation of the virus. Decaf? Nothing.
  • Dr. Li admits much of the research done in a BSL 2 setting?
  • Decaf has nothing.
  • Dr. Li specifically identified her research goals as part of the funding the US gave her? And her statements included very specifically acknowledging that her research was designed to create novel coronaviruses with the highest possible infectivity for human cells?
  • Decaf with nothing.
  • The United States State Department finding on January 15, 2021, "The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with ... COVID-19"?
  • Decaf? Yep, nothing.
  • Research data that the Ferin cleavage not natural, consistent with laboratory product/man-made revision?
  • Decaf? Nothing, but to be fair, he is obviously far too stupid to understand the point. Let me try to help, perhaps in a manner even a complete imbecile like him can follow: Virus like toy truck, not tree. Not natural.
  • The supposedly natural SARS-CoV2 not found in nature?
  • Decaf, again silent, but yet again, he is too stupid once again to understand. Let me dumb it down for the coffee-maker: Like toy truck, not natural.
  • The letter announcing on February 19, 2020 - before the SARS-CoV2 virus even had its genome known - that it is natural, not man-made, written by a guy whose company invested in the Wuhan lab's research?
  • Decaf, nothing. Again, he is probably too dumb to understand, so let me try to present it in a fashion that even the stupidest embarrassment of a moron ***-clown coffee-server might understand: Guy who says not made in lab might be sued into oblivion when it turns out comes not only from a lab, but HIS lab.
Decaf: showing stupid people how to humiliate themselves further, and the amazing depths that stupid people can plummet.
 
You saying the "science" in this context is like me saying Candace Owens is black. Come on man!!!! She ain't black, she's a Conservative. Black?? LOL

There's also now only once science too brah. That's Liberal science. Where there are 59 genders, life of a fetus does NOT being until it's mother says it's a life, and masks prevent the spread of Covid. Like race, science has been politicized. Man it doesn't matter if you have MIT or Yale telling you that social distancing doesn't work. They can prove it, outright prove it. Won't matter because it doesn't agree with the real, woke Liberal science and therefore shall not be recognized.

Your real science isn't real science unless it's Liberal made up science.

What do you identify as today?
So, another one of those times it doesn’t read in print the way it sounds in my head.
SCIENCE tells us this COVID is a virus, and not really that lethal of a virus, either.
Are we just gonna wear masks, socially distance, hide under our covers, not associate with loved ones, etc. ever again? Is this the new normal?
I understood the original lockdown back in March 2020 as to not overcrowd the hospitals. Totally made sense. But EVERYTHING since that has been political theatre, misinformation, waffling, fear mongering, conspiracy theories, and chicken little-ing. Our over-exaggerated knee jerk reaction to this virus is beyond explanation and beyond retarded.
We don’t wear masks for the flu. We don’t hang shower curtains in restaurants for the flu. We don’t tell our parents to get bent when they go in for a hug with the flu. We don’t tell Mom and Pop shops they’re non-essential for the flu. We don’t give our children SEVEN HOURS OF SCREEN TIME with no in person teaching for the flu.
We should be living with this JUST like we always did with the flu. Get a shot. Don’t get a shot. Wear a mask. Don’t wear a mask. But “life” should be going right now like it was in 2019. Our society has jumped the shark and we look like morons right now.
 
It's like Trump showed up at your front door with a bone saw, cut your skulls open and snatched away your brains.

Wow, Trump really did a number on you. You, even now, can't stop talking about him. I mean seriously, political differences and personal feelings aside - don't you think it's unhealthy to let one person consume your brain like that?
 
RATE controls for differences in population size. European countries are much more densely populated than the US.

HEALTH of the nations matters far far far far far far far more than population density or lack thereof.
 
Decaf has literally not one actual fact to add to the discussion. Not one.

I cite specific evidence, statements by the Chinese researcher running the SARS experiments, statements by virologists about lab manipulation of the virus.

This does not give you pause, not even for a moment. Okay, please carry on.

Keep banging your conspiracy drum, you have a captive audience, ready, willing and able to soak it all up.

Good Lord, help us all.
 
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This does not give you pause, not even for a moment. Okay, please carry on.

Keep banging your conspiracy drum, you have a captive audience, ready, willing and able to soak it all up.

Good lord, help us all.

How Liberals argue. Lacking substance or intellect, they look for one little tiny factoid they think they may be able to exploit so as to cast a pall on the whole narrative.

He posted this Tibor:

Decaf has literally not one actual fact to add to the discussion. Not one.

I cite specific evidence, statements by the Chinese researcher running the SARS experiments, statements by virologists about lab manipulation of the virus. Decaf? Nothing.
  • Dr. Li admits much of the research done in a BSL 2 setting?
  • Decaf has nothing.
  • Dr. Li specifically identified her research goals as part of the funding the US gave her? And her statements included very specifically acknowledging that her research was designed to create novel coronaviruses with the highest possible infectivity for human cells?
  • Decaf with nothing.
  • The United States State Department finding on January 15, 2021, "The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with ... COVID-19"?
  • Decaf? Yep, nothing.
  • Research data that the Ferin cleavage not natural, consistent with laboratory product/man-made revision?
  • Decaf? Nothing, but to be fair, he is obviously far too stupid to understand the point. Let me try to help, perhaps in a manner even a complete imbecile like him can follow: Virus like toy truck, not tree. Not natural.
  • The supposedly natural SARS-CoV2 not found in nature?
  • Decaf, again silent, but yet again, he is too stupid once again to understand. Let me dumb it down for the coffee-maker: Like toy truck, not natural.
  • The letter announcing on February 19, 2020 - before the SARS-CoV2 virus even had its genome known - that it is natural, not man-made, written by a guy whose company invested in the Wuhan lab's research?
  • Decaf, nothing. Again, he is probably too dumb to understand, so let me try to present it in a fashion that even the stupidest embarrassment of a moron ***-clown coffee-server might understand: Guy who says not made in lab might be sued into oblivion when it turns out comes not only from a lab, but HIS lab.
Decaf: showing stupid people how to humiliate themselves further, and the amazing depths that stupid people can plummet.

Why don't you address what he wrote in bold? Refute it?

Funny that a guy, who voted for a man who gets rich off of China, who's son brokers deals with the Chinese, now has a problem with a member here quoting a Chinese doctor who worked in the lab. Ya can't make this **** up.

Also, you do realize, in the past two weeks, it's becoming more and more and more clear that all signs point to the virus having emanated from the lab. Not from a rat, or a bat or a skunk. And that lab was funded over and over by the USA....and one Dr. Fauci was directly involved in those dollars being funneled.

This isn't looking good for mankind.
 
Fully expect Tibor and HypoFlog to call all of this conspiracy theory stuff, because Joe is friends with Beijing and Xi and Ping and Pong and the White House seems to love China beyond just the President. So this will be laughed at.

Fact is, it's scary as ****.


Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) is demanding answers from Dr. Anthony Fauci on why the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was reportedly funding potentially dangerous research at China's Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Johnson made an appearance on "Sunday Morning Futures," where Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo opened the interview by highlighting a report in The Australian that claimed Chinese military scientists discussed the weaponization of SARS coronaviruses five years before the COVID-19 pandemic occurred, which could empower China to create weapons "in a way never seen before." China's People's Liberation Army commanders were predicting that World War III would be fought with biological weapons, according to documents purportedly obtained by U.S. investigators, the Daily Mail reported.

Johnson responded to the report by saying, "First let me say, does that shock anybody? Certainly doesn't shock me."

The Republican from Wisconsin then took aim at Fauci for being the head of an organization that funded Chinese researchers at the infamous Wuhan lab.

"We should have been concerned and it does boggle your mind that Anthony Fauci continued to apparently fund gain-of-function research and cooperate with the Wuhan lab," Johnson said. "He had to know full well... the Wuhan lab, just about any organization in China is connected to the Communist Party of China as well as the People's Liberation Army. So what were we doing cooperating with China?"

Gain-of-function research means that researchers deliberately make viruses more dangerous or more infectious to humans so that the scientific community will be better prepared to combat outbreaks that occur naturally, but that process runs the risk of accidentally unleashing an outbreak from the lab.

The National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which is headed by Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions to perform gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses, according to a Newsweek report from April 2020.


"In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work," the report stated. "The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million."

Gain-of-function research "for the purpose of understanding how bat coronaviruses could mutate to attack humans" was reportedly "run by EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit research group, under the direction of President Peter Daszak, an expert on disease ecology," but funding was cut by the Trump administration last year.

"The Trump administration abruptly cut off funding for a project studying how coronaviruses spread from bats to people after reports linked the work to a lab in Wuhan, China, at the center of conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 pandemic's origins," Politico reported in April 2020.

Robert Kessler with the EcoHealth Alliance told PolitiFact, "We have not ever participated in gain-of-function research. Nor have we ever been funded to participate in gain-of-function research."

Fauci wrote a 2010 op-ed for the Washington Post, where he said, "Important information and insights can come from generating a potentially dangerous virus in the laboratory."

"Working carefully with influenza viruses they have engineered in isolated biocontainment laboratories, scientists in Europe and the United States have identified several mechanisms by which the virus might evolve to transmit efficiently in the ferret, the best animal model for human influenza infection," Fauci wrote. "This research has allowed identification of genetic pathways by which such a virus could better adapt to transmission among people. This laboratory virus does not exist in nature. There is, however, considerable concern that such a virus could evolve naturally."

Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) is also concerned about American taxpayer money that could have funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab.

"Dr. Fauci was just on 'Meet the Press' and Chuck Todd didn't ask him a single question about the origin of the disease and whether U.S. taxpayer dollars went to gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology after this virus has destroyed our entire world," Gallagher said. "Noone is interested in getting to the bottom of how it started. Can someone in the American media please ask Fauci these basic questions?"
 
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