Allow me: Because the hype, panic and extreme "everybody's going to die!" over-reaction is proving to be...an extreme over-reaction.
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Allow me: Because the hype, panic and extreme "everybody's going to die!" over-reaction is proving to be...an extreme over-reaction.
Nah, no unwarranted panic at all. Keep it in perspective. They are trying to destroy the strongest economy in the history of the world. Before November.
One question that I have that has not been answered, as far as I can tell - and one that bothers me quite a bit.
Why haven't Beijing and Shanghai been ravaged with this flu?? I accept the fact that Chinese media is almost as perverted and dishonest as America's mainstream bootlickers and (D)im buttjockeys, yes, I get that, but ...
Are you seriously telling me that China, with its massive public transportation, and citizens living on top of each other, and some of the densest population in the world, and with the disease originating just 650 miles from Beijing, has basically zero cases in Beijing (population 20 million) and Shanghai (population 24 million)?? And that not a single news report - not one Youtube video, not one iPhone video, not one story or report - documents the virus overrunning these massive cities?
So somebody please tell me why the massive Chinese cities are magically immune?? Something is dreadfully wrong here.
Why haven't Beijing and Shanghai been ravaged with this flu?? I accept the fact that Chinese media is almost as perverted and dishonest as America's mainstream bootlickers and (D)im buttjockeys, yes, I get that, but ...
Are you seriously telling me that China, with its massive public transportation, and citizens living on top of each other, and some of the densest population in the world, and with the disease originating just 650 miles from Beijing, has basically zero cases in Beijing (population 20 million) and Shanghai (population 24 million)?? And that not a single news report - not one Youtube video, not one iPhone video, not one story or report - documents the virus overrunning these massive cities?
So somebody please tell me why the massive Chinese cities are magically immune?? Something is dreadfully wrong here.
The hedge fund managers have to be loving this environment. While we're watching our retirement funds evaporate, they're like pigs in ****.
Damn. Booze is up there.
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SIL tried to politely tell you you’re being dense and you can’t help yourself. You’re right back at it. You CANNOT compare H1N1 to COVID-19. You cannot compare the response. Furthermore, it DOESN’T ******* MATTER IN THE LEAST RIGHT NOW! We aren’t dealing with another bout of H1N1.
Fauci and Birx are clueless, huh? Frauds? Trump is a too?
I haven’t noticed lower estimates. I have noticed an increase in the number of times they are mentioned and what seems to be a level of certainty in them. Have you watched Trumps briefings the past two days?
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Florida just shut down for 30 days. Is it a coincidence that the libtard congressmen in FLA and the commies at Change.org were behind the push? Nah, not at all. They only care about the people. Surely they don't have an ulterior motive....no way.
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This would be a great time to for state DOTs to get a lot of roadwork done.
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Largest county in GA just ordered lockdown and kids will not be going back to school this year. Will finish up all remote. So Spring Break is next week. I think we'll do a staycation.
The difference between H1N1 and this was that the world was unknowingly exposed to a mild strain of h1 n1 in the 60’s... that meant the most susceptible were oddly immune to it... if you apply the youth death rate on a curve of typical influenza age patterns you get a extremely bleak outlook... it KILLED almost exclusively young, healthy people... on the flip side .5% of confirmed cases with no known heath problems under the age of 50 have died from coronavirus... thats within the realm of undiagnosed illnesses, genetic defects and drug use being an explanation
How many kids under 12 have died? Any?
Once more you cannot logically claim high contagious factors and a high death rate with the numvers as is...
Either its as contagious as they say and the death rate is flu like or its as deadly as they say and the contagious factor is a decimal of what they claim... you cannot claim both... it doesn’t work
Look the dems are angling for remote voting... if tgey get that, and I for one am not opposed to it, then they need every vote to be tied to a name, adress, and social security number... NO EXCEPTIONS
TSF, Glocks are READILY available online, no waiting period, delivered to your home the same day.
I bought seventyforty of them. Have yet to figure out how to fire them or why they have some weird orange plastic tip at the end. Pumping up Orange Man, I presume.
Holy ****, I needed that laugh. As to the bolded, ask Trog as I'm sure he's bought a few. And while you're at it, ask him what caliber rounds he bought.
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SOmehow that response had not shown up on my phone. Sorry.
No one that I'm aware of is comparing H1N1 to CV19 saying "they are the same illness." We are comparing them because they are both epidemics that nations/countries have to respond to. Why does this escape you? It's like comparing the nation's response to an Ebola outbreak and CV19. No one is comparing them as "the same" virus. Good lord.
Both H1N1 and CV19 are deadly. Both were epidemics. Both handled differently by different administrations. And to date, H1N1 killed more. CV19 may surpass that, but so far....right now, H1N1 killed more Americans.
Yes, we should compare the responses. We are setting an incredibly dangerous and ugly precedent. IF we shut the country down now as we have, imagine (as has been said) when the next virus comes. Will we knee-jerk react the same way because "maybe" it could kill us all? Meanwhile, as Steeltime has pointed out, the "cure" we have administered may be FAR more deadly.
This is absolutely a meaningful discussion that is being held EVERYWHERE. Is the cure worth it?
As far as the estimates dropping, good Lord I've posted them. Try reading.
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_rele...fRYdIEO4YZ0_rlEtKb2yFE_PUMbwt8iKub9EYNAjwFlkk
The British study that was so doom and gloom was also walked back last week.
If you haven't noticed lower estimates you aren't doing your homework.
That's in ******* September
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Excellent read.
The Senator Who Saw the Coronavirus Coming
By John McCormack
March 31, 2020 12:30 PM
Tom Cotton was both the first and the loudest voice in Congress to sound the alarm about the looming pandemic.
While others slept, Tom Cotton was warning anyone who would listen that the coronavirus was coming for America.
On January 22, one day before the Chinese government began a quarantine of Wuhan to contain the spread of the virus, the Arkansas senator sent a letter to Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar encouraging the Trump administration to consider banning travel between China and the United States and warning that the Communist regime could be covering up how dangerous the disease really was. That same day, he amplified his warnings on Twitter and in an appearance on the radio program of Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade.
At the time, the Senate impeachment trial was dominating the news cycle. The trial, which lasted from January 16 to February 5, had even blotted out coverage of the Democratic presidential primary in the days leading up to the Iowa caucuses. When the first classified briefing on the virus was held in the Senate on January 24, only 14 senators reportedly showed up.
Cotton’s public and private warnings became more urgent that last week of January. In a January 28 letter to the secretaries of state, health and human services, and homeland security, he noted that “no amount of screening [at airports] will identify a contagious-but-asymptomatic person afflicted with the coronavirus” and called for an immediate evacuation of Americans in China and a ban on all commercial flights between China and the United States.
Cotton first spoke to President Trump about the virus the next day. The Arkansas Gazette reported that he missed nearly three hours of the impeachment trial while he was discussing the matter with Trump-administration officials. The outbreak was “the biggest and the most important story in the world,” he said in a Senate hearing that week.
What tipped the senator off to the true nature of the threat? Why was he the first and the loudest voice in Congress to sound the alarm about the looming pandemic?
In an interview with National Review, Cotton is quick to point out that he doesn’t have a background in science or public health, but he does have two eyes. As a long-time China hawk, he found his interest piqued early on by reports “primarily from East Asian news sources.”
“Two things struck me about China’s response,” he says. “First their deceit and their dishonesty going back to early December. And second, the extreme draconian measures they had taken. By the third week of January, they had more than 75 million people on lockdown. They were confined to their homes and apartments, otherwise they were arrested. In some cases, the front doors of those buildings were welded shut. All schools had shut down. Hong Kong had banned flights from the mainland. [These are] the kind of extreme, draconian measures that you would only take in a position of power in China if you were greatly worried about the spread of this virus.”
On January 31, the president announced a ban on entry to foreign travelers who had been in China in the previous two weeks, while allowing Americans and permanent residents to continue to travel back and forth between the two countries. The measure was not as stringent as Cotton’s call for a ban on all commercial flights, but Cotton points out that the president “did not have many advisers encouraging him to shut down travel.” Advisers who were supportive tended to be national-security aides, he adds, while “most of his economic and public-health advisers were ambivalent at best about the travel ban.”
“I commend the president greatly for ultimately making the right decision contrary to what the so-called experts were telling him,” he says.
Of course, while the travel restriction may have bought the United States time, that time was largely squandered by the catastrophic failure of the CDC and FDA to ramp up testing for the coronavirus in the United States.
In phone calls and meetings in early February, Cotton says, he encouraged the administration “to be very aggressive and very flexible when it came to testing and diagnostic protocols. One consistent thing I had seen in the literature from past outbreaks is that the FDA and especially the CDC is unfortunately somewhat slow to act in these circumstances.”
“I did discuss that with the president,” Cotton adds. “I discussed it with Jared Kushner. I discussed it a lot with Robert O’Brien, the national-security adviser,” and O’Brien’s deputy, Matthew Pottinger.
“The CDC should not have acted like know-it-all bureaucrats who had the only medical and scientific expertise to develop tests. We have lots and lots of very capable labs all around the country,” Cotton says. “The FDA should not put all of its eggs in the CDC basket. . . . They were slow to use their emergency-use authorization.” In a January 26 appearance on Face the Nation, Cotton called on the FDA to expedite approval for testing to state and local governments.
“The bureaucracy just didn’t move as fast as it could have,” he says. “Dr. Fauci said it’s not the president’s fault. It would have happened to any other president. But it was a lost opportunity, given the time the president bought everyone with the travel [restriction].”
Does the president ultimately bear responsibility for the failures at the CDC and FDA? “He is the president, and it’s always the president’s job to push the bureaucracy when they’re moving too slowly,” Cotton says. “But sometimes you have to push very, very hard.”
Where are we now and where do we go from here in the fight against the coronavirus? “You can’t have a virus rampaging through society and expect the economy to open up, but you can’t have economic collapse and expect our health-care system to continue to work,” Cotton says. “You have to get the virus under control before you gradually start reopening things like white-collar work and manufacturing capacity and low-density retail and ultimately high-density retail.”
The things the country must focus on over the next few weeks, he says, are building up production capacity for “rapid testing, respirator masks, [and] thermometer guns,” getting “personnel trained on contact tracing,” and developing “procedures and even laws at the local level for individual mandatory quarantines” for those infected with the virus.
Cotton notes that there is still a lot that’s unclear about the virus: It could be far more infectious with a lower fatality rate than has been reported for instance. But then again, “They don’t turn the Javits Center into a field hospital for the flu. They don’t bring in ice trucks to back up the morgue for the flu.”
“Using your own two eyes to see what’s happening in our hospitals,” Cotton says, is “the real acid-test for how serious this virus is.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/the-senator-who-saw-the-coronavirus-coming/
The Senator Who Saw the Coronavirus Coming
By John McCormack
March 31, 2020 12:30 PM
Tom Cotton was both the first and the loudest voice in Congress to sound the alarm about the looming pandemic.
While others slept, Tom Cotton was warning anyone who would listen that the coronavirus was coming for America.
On January 22, one day before the Chinese government began a quarantine of Wuhan to contain the spread of the virus, the Arkansas senator sent a letter to Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar encouraging the Trump administration to consider banning travel between China and the United States and warning that the Communist regime could be covering up how dangerous the disease really was. That same day, he amplified his warnings on Twitter and in an appearance on the radio program of Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade.
At the time, the Senate impeachment trial was dominating the news cycle. The trial, which lasted from January 16 to February 5, had even blotted out coverage of the Democratic presidential primary in the days leading up to the Iowa caucuses. When the first classified briefing on the virus was held in the Senate on January 24, only 14 senators reportedly showed up.
Cotton’s public and private warnings became more urgent that last week of January. In a January 28 letter to the secretaries of state, health and human services, and homeland security, he noted that “no amount of screening [at airports] will identify a contagious-but-asymptomatic person afflicted with the coronavirus” and called for an immediate evacuation of Americans in China and a ban on all commercial flights between China and the United States.
Cotton first spoke to President Trump about the virus the next day. The Arkansas Gazette reported that he missed nearly three hours of the impeachment trial while he was discussing the matter with Trump-administration officials. The outbreak was “the biggest and the most important story in the world,” he said in a Senate hearing that week.
What tipped the senator off to the true nature of the threat? Why was he the first and the loudest voice in Congress to sound the alarm about the looming pandemic?
In an interview with National Review, Cotton is quick to point out that he doesn’t have a background in science or public health, but he does have two eyes. As a long-time China hawk, he found his interest piqued early on by reports “primarily from East Asian news sources.”
“Two things struck me about China’s response,” he says. “First their deceit and their dishonesty going back to early December. And second, the extreme draconian measures they had taken. By the third week of January, they had more than 75 million people on lockdown. They were confined to their homes and apartments, otherwise they were arrested. In some cases, the front doors of those buildings were welded shut. All schools had shut down. Hong Kong had banned flights from the mainland. [These are] the kind of extreme, draconian measures that you would only take in a position of power in China if you were greatly worried about the spread of this virus.”
On January 31, the president announced a ban on entry to foreign travelers who had been in China in the previous two weeks, while allowing Americans and permanent residents to continue to travel back and forth between the two countries. The measure was not as stringent as Cotton’s call for a ban on all commercial flights, but Cotton points out that the president “did not have many advisers encouraging him to shut down travel.” Advisers who were supportive tended to be national-security aides, he adds, while “most of his economic and public-health advisers were ambivalent at best about the travel ban.”
“I commend the president greatly for ultimately making the right decision contrary to what the so-called experts were telling him,” he says.
Of course, while the travel restriction may have bought the United States time, that time was largely squandered by the catastrophic failure of the CDC and FDA to ramp up testing for the coronavirus in the United States.
In phone calls and meetings in early February, Cotton says, he encouraged the administration “to be very aggressive and very flexible when it came to testing and diagnostic protocols. One consistent thing I had seen in the literature from past outbreaks is that the FDA and especially the CDC is unfortunately somewhat slow to act in these circumstances.”
“I did discuss that with the president,” Cotton adds. “I discussed it with Jared Kushner. I discussed it a lot with Robert O’Brien, the national-security adviser,” and O’Brien’s deputy, Matthew Pottinger.
“The CDC should not have acted like know-it-all bureaucrats who had the only medical and scientific expertise to develop tests. We have lots and lots of very capable labs all around the country,” Cotton says. “The FDA should not put all of its eggs in the CDC basket. . . . They were slow to use their emergency-use authorization.” In a January 26 appearance on Face the Nation, Cotton called on the FDA to expedite approval for testing to state and local governments.
“The bureaucracy just didn’t move as fast as it could have,” he says. “Dr. Fauci said it’s not the president’s fault. It would have happened to any other president. But it was a lost opportunity, given the time the president bought everyone with the travel [restriction].”
Does the president ultimately bear responsibility for the failures at the CDC and FDA? “He is the president, and it’s always the president’s job to push the bureaucracy when they’re moving too slowly,” Cotton says. “But sometimes you have to push very, very hard.”
Where are we now and where do we go from here in the fight against the coronavirus? “You can’t have a virus rampaging through society and expect the economy to open up, but you can’t have economic collapse and expect our health-care system to continue to work,” Cotton says. “You have to get the virus under control before you gradually start reopening things like white-collar work and manufacturing capacity and low-density retail and ultimately high-density retail.”
The things the country must focus on over the next few weeks, he says, are building up production capacity for “rapid testing, respirator masks, [and] thermometer guns,” getting “personnel trained on contact tracing,” and developing “procedures and even laws at the local level for individual mandatory quarantines” for those infected with the virus.
Cotton notes that there is still a lot that’s unclear about the virus: It could be far more infectious with a lower fatality rate than has been reported for instance. But then again, “They don’t turn the Javits Center into a field hospital for the flu. They don’t bring in ice trucks to back up the morgue for the flu.”
“Using your own two eyes to see what’s happening in our hospitals,” Cotton says, is “the real acid-test for how serious this virus is.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/the-senator-who-saw-the-coronavirus-coming/
Then on the flip side of senator Tom Cotton, a do-nothing blowhard just taking up valuable oxygen:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FLASHBACK: Nancy Pelosi zones out during the State of the Union while President Trump addresses the coronavirus<a href="https://t.co/iAPylbrqVV">https://t.co/iAPylbrqVV</a> <a href="https://t.co/0zsS6j92H0">pic.twitter.com/0zsS6j92H0</a></p>— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) <a href="https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1245423027694833671?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FLASHBACK: Nancy Pelosi zones out during the State of the Union while President Trump addresses the coronavirus<a href="https://t.co/iAPylbrqVV">https://t.co/iAPylbrqVV</a> <a href="https://t.co/0zsS6j92H0">pic.twitter.com/0zsS6j92H0</a></p>— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) <a href="https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1245423027694833671?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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The lower estimates are very much related to the social distancing and stay at home orders in my opinion. Had we done nothing our Hospitals would be a **** show now like NYC is turning into. As a parent of a Nurse currently on a COVID 19 ward in Cincinnati I am extremely grateful for the proactive measures taken by Mike Dewine in Ohio. We are fairing much much better than the states around us are because he did this much earlier than most. Infection rates are highest among our frontline healthcare workers and that scares the **** out of me for my daughter particularly as I have mentioned she is a type 1 diabetic. Two days ago they had no positive cases on her floor now she will have a floor full tonight. Please keep her in your prayers. That being said it does make sense that HC workers have a higher infection rate as they have a much higher opportunity to be exposed. My company is allowing me to do all my sales calls virtually or to reschedule if they don't want a virtual appointment without taking away my leads. Nurses can't do that, If this surges much more she will have to start working longer hours and risk more exposure and the hospital will run out of ICU beds and Vents this is when it goes from being just the flu to the **** hitting and the fan.
I apologize if I seem to repeat myself but I truly don't think some are grasping the problem we face from this without flattening the curve. If it did not require so many ventilators and induced comas for many of the severe cases you wouldn't be seeing any where near the same reaction. The flu has a much lower rate of Vents being needed mainly because we have some very good treatment options and history of how to deal with it and it is not hitting all at once.
So I will apologize once again but it hits very close to home for me. I am making my daughter a dinner to take for her 12 hour overnight shift right now. Luckily she has 7 straight days off in a row after tonight unless they go to mandatory overtime. If they do she will be making some serious bank at 3 times base pay plus shift differential.
Your daughter is in my prayers.
I totally get your point and have since the beginning. It's hospital capacity that will kill us. People here have been running around chicken little screaming about death rates, infection rates moronically if you ask me. We won't know till this is over what the rates are and anything before then is pure speculation. Of course as it progresses we will get a better idea. But as I've posted and others have, there are a billion sources, countless countries and data being pointed to that is all over the map. Not one person here, me included, who's posted a death rate has a clue.
Your points are well taken brother, no offense at all taken. I agree with you.