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The Coronavirus thread

Tim Steelersfan said:
All I am pointing out is something doesn't add up. Not saying it is an elaborate hoax. Call me Wig.
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So it’s not a hoax/conspiracy, Wig?

The capacity isn’t needed and never will be? It’s an over-reaction?
 
Troglodyte said:
So it’s not a hoax/conspiracy, Wig?

The capacity isn’t needed and never will be? It’s an over-reaction?
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Look, I'm not TSF and he can speak for himself so ... never mind, he's vastly better off if I do the talking. So you kinda, half-assed raised three points:

  • The virus is a conspiracy/hoax. That is actually two separate points, but I presume you understand.
  • The capacity (for respirators and masks, I guess?) is not currently needed and never will be. Again, two points but whatever ...
  • The current response is an overreaction.
I address each. First, the virus exists. Can you point to one instance - REPEAT, JUST ONE - where anybody suggests that the virus does not exist? Of course you can't. That dispels your hoax "hoax" claim.

Hoax Verb
\ˈhōks\
hoaxed; hoaxing; hoaxes
: to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous

Second, the virus as a conspiracy. You don't know this (not being a lawyer), but in legal parlance, a conspiracy is an agreement on the part of two or more people to engage in illegal behavior, and at least one step taken in furtherance of the illegal activity. Here, if in fact the virus originated in a lab, and Chinese officials worked to lie about the virus and suppress the information that would have assisted in addressing the disease, then yes - there was a conspiracy. A conspiracy among Americans? No. Pelosi's lying and scheming are execrable, but unfortunately not illegal and hence not done to further an illegal enterprise.

A conspiracy among politicians to lie about the virus while simultaneously selling off stock to save millions? Yes, that indeed would be a conspiracy.

Third, the capacity for respirators and masks ... is it now needed? Sure, to some extent, but have you heard of one case, even one, where a patient did not get a respirator when needed? I haven't. How about the masks? Oh, you mean the masks that 3M is selling to China and Europe and telling American buyers, "Suck it"? Those masks? Again, the supplies are needed, but the idea that any government, indeed any person, should wait until the **** hits the fan before acting is asinine. My neighbor is a bit ... overprepared in terms of ammo. It's just who he is. But when he goes to re-up the 300 rounds he spent plinking on the weekend, he finds that ammo was ******* GONE as of mid-March.

How stupid would he have been for having no ******* ammo as of March 15 and then expecting to stock up when the **** hits the fan? Very.

So government is to be less goddamn prepared than a guy? They should have not had the necessary ventilators and N95 masks and surgical masks ready BEFORE ******* January 20, 2020?? How the hell is it that I had 8 N95 ******* masks as of January 15, 2020, and was apparently more well-prepared than the goddamn CDC? Jee-zus.

So if you are saying that the government buying a ****-ton of such supplies today for potential later use is a good idea, I respond ... What. The. ****?!? How about buying when the **** is at market value or below if stocking up for future use?? How about that?!?!?!?!? Is that asking too much? Again, a guy in Arizona somehow manages to do so, but the Federal ******* government can't?

Finally, the reaction or overreaction. I have addressed that in at least three very detailed posts previously. Are the Fed and many states overreacting? Yes. Have other nations implemented more sensible restrictions (social distancing as to elderly, with pre-existing conditions, masks required, no gathering of 50 or more, otherwise keep going)? Yes. Are we devastating our economy where I believe much less punishing steps could and should have been taken?

Damn right.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Again, simply pointing out that something is odd.

It was reported a day or two ago that there are fewer than 400 ICU hospital beds remaining in the city. It was reported that 84% of their ICU beds are full. Today they are 23% over capacity supposedly.

Elmhurst Hospital is supposedly the hardest hit with CV19 cases. There are numerous live streams of this hospital, yes from the outside, and also of the testing tents. Here is a video filmed yesterday (?) with absolutely no activity going on.

I know the people that are sick and dying are inside, but where are the people LINING UP FOR BLOCKS to get tested?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This a LIVE stream from Elmhurst hospital in Queens, New York. It was labeled the hardest hit and it is EMPTY. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EmptyHospitals?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EmptyHospitals</a> <a href="https://t.co/jI1nmaOL8Z">https://t.co/jI1nmaOL8Z</a></p>— catsfortrump�� (@catsfortrump1) <a href="https://twitter.com/catsfortrump1/status/1246143368825991169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Not everything happens like you see it in the movies, Tim.

Video of war zones doesn’t always show people being killed, that doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
 
A timeout to laugh for a minute. I've heard a lot of Trump impressions but this guy nails it.

 
My cousin Mike is a nurse in Fresno, California. They are in the process of turning the Fresno Civic Center into a “hospital” for non-Covid19 patients. He stated that nearly all of the beds at the hospital he works at are empty. He said the nurses on his shift were sent home early yesterday. Weird. Guess it’s better to be prepared going forward should the **** hit the fan.
 
Troglodyte said:
No, I do business development and provider compensation. What difference does it make?
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Makes a big difference in determining if you have any information germane to the topic.

"Business development and provider compensation" means you don't provide medical equipment, train staff, work in the hospitals or clinics, etc. Your duties seem to be administrative.

So when you make comments about the conditions in emergency rooms or ICU locations, you really have no more relevant information than Mr. Google and I do.
 
IndySteel said:
Kommiefornia's population is 40 million. Every DAY on average 750 people die from various causes there. Probably mostly via dumbassery. To date, 203 people have died from the virus, TOTAL. And the entire state is on lockdown. That's just one example. The vast majority of people who have died were elderly and had other underlying health issue, but Covid was listed as the cause, not being 97 with cancer. This **** needs to end. It's just crazy.
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I saw today many instances listed on Twitter where the news and medical professionals are claiming people dying are due to COVID that are not. One in San Antonio. A girl's grandmother passed in hospice from advanced Alzheimers with a complication of pneumonia. The local media reported she was a CV19 victim that died in a military hospital. Her grand daughter public posted about the shamefulness of their actions.
 
Steeltime said:
Look, I'm not TSF and he can speak for himself so ... never mind, he's vastly better off if I do the talking. So you kinda, half-assed raised three points:

  • The virus is a conspiracy/hoax. That is actually two separate points, but I presume you understand.
  • The capacity (for respirators and masks, I guess?) is not currently needed and never will be. Again, two points but whatever ...
  • The current response is an overreaction.
I address each. First, the virus exists. Can you point to one instance - REPEAT, JUST ONE - where anybody suggests that the virus does not exist? Of course you can't. That dispels your hoax "hoax" claim.

Hoax Verb
\ˈhōks\
hoaxed; hoaxing; hoaxes
: to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous

Second, the virus as a conspiracy. You don't know this (not being a lawyer), but in legal parlance, a conspiracy is an agreement on the part of two or more people to engage in illegal behavior, and at least one step taken in furtherance of the illegal activity. Here, if in fact the virus originated in a lab, and Chinese officials worked to lie about the virus and suppress the information that would have assisted in addressing the disease, then yes - there was a conspiracy. A conspiracy among Americans? No. Pelosi's lying and scheming are execrable, but unfortunately not illegal and hence not done to further an illegal enterprise.

A conspiracy among politicians to lie about the virus while simultaneously selling off stock to save millions? Yes, that indeed would be a conspiracy.

Third, the capacity for respirators and masks ... is it now needed? Sure, to some extent, but have you heard of one case, even one, where a patient did not get a respirator when needed? I haven't. How about the masks? Oh, you mean the masks that 3M is selling to China and Europe and telling American buyers, "Suck it"? Those masks? Again, the supplies are needed, but the idea that any government, indeed any person, should wait until the **** hits the fan before acting is asinine. My neighbor is a bit ... overprepared in terms of ammo. It's just who he is. But when he goes to re-up the 300 rounds he spent plinking on the weekend, he finds that ammo was ******* GONE as of mid-March.

How stupid would he have been for having no ******* ammo as of March 15 and then expecting to stock up when the **** hits the fan? Very.

So government is to be less goddamn prepared than a guy? They should have not had the necessary ventilators and N95 masks and surgical masks ready BEFORE ******* January 20, 2020?? How the hell is it that I had 8 N95 ******* masks as of January 15, 2020, and was apparently more well-prepared than the goddamn CDC? Jee-zus.

So if you are saying that the government buying a ****-ton of such supplies today for potential later use is a good idea, I respond ... What. The. ****?!? How about buying when the **** is at market value or below if stocking up for future use?? How about that?!?!?!?!? Is that asking too much? Again, a guy in Arizona somehow manages to do so, but the Federal ******* government can't?

Finally, the reaction or overreaction. I have addressed that in at least three very detailed posts previously. Are the Fed and many states overreacting? Yes. Have other nations implemented more sensible restrictions (social distancing as to elderly, with pre-existing conditions, masks required, no gathering of 50 or more, otherwise keep going)? Yes. Are we devastating our economy where I believe much less punishing steps could and should have been taken?

Damn right.
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This is fascinating! You are WAY off the deep end! Seek help. I cannot imagine what you will be like in two weeks.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
I saw today many instances listed on Twitter where the news and medical professionals are claiming people dying are due to COVID that are not. One in San Antonio. A girl's grandmother passed in hospice from advanced Alzheimers with a complication of pneumonia. The local media reported she was a CV19 victim that died in a military hospital. Her grand daughter public posted about the shamefulness of their actions.
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Well, to be fair, because of the Alzheimer's, she believed she had the Spanish Flu so you can understand the confusion.

I'll see myself out.
 
Troglodyte said:
Not everything happens like you see it in the movies, Tim.

Video of war zones doesn’t always show people being killed, that doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
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Good lord let's keep this simple. Let's stick to testing. Let's ignore the insides of these hospitals. Let's look at NY City.

52,000+ cases.

Is the government ramping up testing? Yep. Latest report I saw is that 100,000 tests are being performed daily by labs alone.

Outside Elmurst hospital is a large testing tent. NY is the epicenter in this country.

Why in a one hour span do you see NO ONE going in and out of the testing tent?

"Because it's not like the movies??"

People in NYC and New York are fleeing. They are scared rightfully so.

Explain why when testing is available and this is the epicenter there is no one getting tested at the hardest hit hospital in the epicenter of this epidemic?

I'll say it again. ODD.
 
Sarge said:
My cousin Mike is a nurse in Fresno, California. They are in the process of turning the Fresno Civic Center into a “hospital” for non-Covid19 patients. He stated that nearly all of the beds at the hospital he works at are empty. He said the nurses on his shift were sent home early yesterday. Weird. Guess it’s better to be prepared going forward should the **** hit the fan.
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We started some of our home as designated COVID. Meaning and goal is to keep the residents who don’t have/suspected together and treat all those with in one. Helps all fronts with care and staff protection. It also helps with continuity of Biz by being able to take residents that aren’t sick that need nursing home care and the hospitals that want people to come to us that we are saying nope.
 
Troglodyte said:
This is fascinating! You are WAY off the deep end! Seek help. I cannot imagine what you will be like in two weeks.
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Best Case Scenario: Stricken with COVID-20, the mutation, and not as funny as usual
Worst Case Scenario: As dumb as Trog
 
No surprise here.

Nevada Governor Sisolak Found Hoarding Coronavirus Treatment Drug

Just about a week after the Trump hating Democrat Governor of Nevada limited the ability for physicians to prescribe Hydroxychloroquine to treat Corona virus, news broke that Nevada Governor Steve Sisolak’s own Department of Corrections has been hoarding the drug for prisoners.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ak-found-hoarding-coronavirus-treatment-drug/

So awesome to see our political leaders step to the plate and do the right thing. From using insider trading to enrich themselves, to blasting Trump for imposing a travel ban that prevented who knows how many infected from coming to America, to lambasting the President for promoting the potential benefits of Hydroxychloroquine and barring doctors from prescribing it while then hoarding it and begging the Fed for more of the drugs.

Politicians. Can't live with 'em and get in trouble for killing them.
 
My Gawd, you people with your tiny pinprick views of the world and your monkey gibberish, no wonder the gods are angry!

Locusts, earthquakes, plagues aren't enough? O Hail mighty overlords, bring them THE STORM of enlightenment!


Coronacane!

It's a Sign!

Meteorologists closely monitoring massive Atlantic Ocean storm churning off East Coast


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Spike said:
My Gawd, you people with your tiny pinprick views of the world and your monkey gibberish, no wonder the gods are angry!

Locusts, earthquakes, plagues aren't enough? O Hail mighty overlords, bring them THE STORM of enlightenment!


Coronacane!

It's a Sign!

Meteorologists closely monitoring massive Atlantic Ocean storm churning off East Coast


new-loop2.gif
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News celebrities hit the hardest



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New York (CNN Business)CNN anchor Brooke Baldwin announced on Friday that she tested positive for coronavirus after experiencing symptoms a day earlier.

"I am OKAY," Baldwin said in an Instagram post announcing her diagnosis. "It came on suddenly yesterday afternoon. Chills, aches, fever."

Her diagnosis followed her colleague Chris Cuomo's positive result.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/media/brooke-baldwin-coronavirus/index.html
 
Steeltime said:
Makes a big difference in determining if you have any information germane to the topic.

"Business development and provider compensation" means you don't provide medical equipment, train staff, work in the hospitals or clinics, etc. Your duties seem to be administrative.

So when you make comments about the conditions in emergency rooms or ICU locations, you really have no more relevant information than Mr. Google and I do.
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My comment was that our productivity is down 44%. Explaining that health systems are purposely temporarily refusing business to prepare for a potential surge.
 
MORE MONEY! MORE MONEY! MORE MONEY!


McConnell Confirms There Will Be Another Relief Bill

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) told the Associated Press that health care must be at the “top of the list” in the next coronavirus rescue package.

The Republican leader said Congress should focus on correcting any shortcomings in the just-passed $2.2 trillion aid bill and rely on health care experts for solutions to “wipe out” the virus.

Said McConnell: “There will be a next measure.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/04/03/mcconnell-confirms-there-will-be-another-relief-bill/

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Where's my check? Where's my check? Where's my check?
 
Troglodyte said:
My comment was that our productivity is down 44%. Explaining that health systems are purposely temporarily refusing business to prepare for a potential surge.
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You SO want the virus to succeed in causing total destruction of our (and by “our” I mean real Americans) economy. You want it so bad that you can taste it. Your TDS is blatant, flagrant even. And you can’t hide it Flog. We know.
 
Troglodyte said:
My comment was that our productivity is down 44%. Explaining that health systems are purposely temporarily refusing business to prepare for a potential surge.
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Yeah, one possibility. "Potential surge."

Another is that the economy is getting shanked as we speak, with our approval, and amazingly enough, your part of the industry is not immune.
 
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