The Coronavirus thread

[Steeltime]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Evolution of media's anti-Trump hydroxychloroquine spin would leave even Darwin dizzy: <br>1) Trump giving Americans false hope.<br>2) Trump peddling snake oil.<br>3) Trump made couple drink fish tank cleaner.<br>4) Hydroxychloroquine might, maybe, be helpful.<br>5) Trump is in it for money.</p>— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProfMJCleveland/status/1247494275643965440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[madinsomniac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Evolution of media's anti-Trump hydroxychloroquine spin would leave even Darwin dizzy: <br>1) Trump giving Americans false hope.<br>2) Trump peddling snake oil.<br>3) Trump made couple drink fish tank cleaner.<br>4) Hydroxychloroquine might, maybe, be helpful.<br>5) Trump is in it for money.</p>— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProfMJCleveland/status/1247494275643965440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah don’t forget how they say we cannot use anecdotal evidence to confirm it works, totally ignoring the science behind its effectiveness or that its being used across the world just like that, while in the next breath they promote some other completely unproven tactic or even worse, spout some horrific possibility based on a single case somewhere and a ton of juxtaposition to make their conclusions... cause thats ok, but using a known viral disruption technique is not...

 

[madinsomniac]

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/30/covid19-yet-to-impact-europes-overall-mortality/

So basically covid hasn’t even moved the needle on deaths... the people that are dying are the ones that are dying of the flu or anything else if they get it... its sad but true... life is fragile...

This, for all its hype, was a bad pneumonia epidemic at its worse... not something to downplay, but not the world stopping event they made it out to be... if over the next year the numbers flatline bad, then the majority of is already had it before social distancing even started without knowing it and this was all nice practice for the next bioweapon, but ultimately for naught...

You all do realize that more and more evidence is stacking up that China probably murdered tens of thousands (or maybe even a lot more than that)with it in a panic and that is going to be the largest tragedy that came out of this, even moreso than the worlwide deaths and economic destruction...

 

[Steelin]

Here in flyover country I miss grocery shopping without worrying about whether they have brown rice, toilet paper, paper towels, etc. But most of all and what's been personally impactful for me is the closure of Planet Fitness. I go 2-3 times a week and it keeps me sane. With that gone on top of working downtown in the zombie apocalypse I could ******* hurt someone. Not that I'm inherently violent or anything but damn. I went the last evening they were open and I'm glad I did.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Yeah don’t forget how they say we cannot use anecdotal evidence to confirm it works, totally ignoring the science behind its effectiveness or that its being used across the world just like that, while in the next breath they promote some other completely unproven tactic or even worse, spout some horrific possibility based on a single case somewhere and a ton of juxtaposition to make their conclusions... cause thats ok, but using a known viral disruption technique is not...

There have been patients and doctors who have said they were symptom free less than a day after taking this and they're talking about giving it to the seriously sick, not every single person with Covid-19. I'm amazed at how many simply dismiss it as a possible treatment and outright seem to be rooting for it to fail.

 

[madinsomniac]

There have been patients and doctors who have said they were symptom free less than a day after taking this and they're talking about giving it to the seriously sick, not every single person with Covid-19. I'm amazed at how many simply dismiss it as a possible treatment and outright seem to be rooting for it to fail.

Zinc literally blocks the RNA reproduction from this type of virus in cells, it’s why it was an early target for treatment abroad and why it was hyped long before Trump got on board with it...

Proof positive of TDS... weird... like he didn’t discover it... he didn’t make any claims about it before it was widely used elsewhere or even had a couple limited clinical trials in other countries... he just advocated it and people lost their ****...

 

[Hypocycloids]

Hell, they would much rather Americans die BECAUSE of Hydroxy,

Then they would be giving Trump their full support, but they're not. They are truly afraid this stuff is gonna work.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

they don't want it to work for a few reasons. First is because Trump was one of the first to push for it and he has made it a priority so if it ends up having a huge impact then Trump will have to be given credit. Second, they don't want the economy to re-start until it has collapsed. They want the collapse because then the solution will set the table for more government spending and they think it will help Biden.

If most people can be back to work by early May, then this economy will rebound and possibly sooner than people think. Most businesses aren't dead yet, but they will be if they shutdown lasts for several more months.

It is more clear now than ever that the media's only concern is pushing the Dem agenda. They are acting like a drug that has been around for decades and is FDA approved is some kind of poison. These people do not care about you at all. They hate you. They actively root for your misfortune because it helps push their agenda.


PS. just wait for teachers unions to demand extra pay if they have to teach over the summer.

 

[Pittsburgh Charlie]

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[Ron Burgundy]

There have been patients and doctors who have said they were symptom free less than a day after taking this and they're talking about giving it to the seriously sick, not every single person with Covid-19. I'm amazed at how many simply dismiss it as a possible treatment and outright seem to be rooting for it to fail.

Jim Quinn reporting yesterday that Dr. Fauci is connected with Gilead Pharmaceuticals, so using a low-cost generic drug like Hydroxy doesn't make any money for them. No, we need something new that costs a lot of money.

 

[Badcat]

A very legitimate point. The counter point: New York had the worst of the worst, and did not run short of beds or ventilators. It had excess ventilators, stored in a warehouse, and a medical ship from the US Navy in port with 1100 beds - 20 in use. The sobbing nurse, crying about being forced to work with no protective mask? A fraud. She had been fired a year earlier.

Once again, a very bad situation, made much, much worse overall (considering life effects and long-term damage) with the corrective measures.

Flattening the curve has helped New York to not fill up those triage beds or need the Naval ship. New York did have a shortage of ventilators at a brief time but luckily some states loaned their allotment to New York, which sit in a warehouse in the event that the infection rate takes off.

Look, I'm just as sick of this bullshit as the next person. Before this mess, my least favorite word used in a conversation was "like". Now, it's "social distance". Come May 1st, this had better be over or I'll be jacking people's jaws for uttering those words. But we have to admit that if Trump and the Governors had not put these restrictions in place, it would be a nightmare scenario, far worse that a TP shortage and crippled economy.

 

[Confluence]

Flattening the curve has helped New York to not fill up those triage beds or need the Naval ship. New York did have a shortage of ventilators at a brief time but luckily some states loaned their allotment to New York, which sit in a warehouse in the event that the infection rate takes off.

Look, I'm just as sick of this bullshit as the next person. Before this mess, my least favorite word used in a conversation was "like". Now, it's "social distance". Come May 1st, this had better be over or I'll be jacking people's jaws for uttering those words. But we have to admit that if Trump and the Governors had not put these restrictions in place, it would be a nightmare scenario, far worse that a TP shortage and crippled economy.

The crippled economy kills those in need at the edges of the economy.

Your math is incorrect. Less people are dying of the regular causes, which means miscounting is happening.

Emotion makes us want to believe that saving people was a noble sacrifice by all. The costs of that sacrifice will be felt most harshly by those at the margin. The societal costs will be comparable to WWII.

And the reverse emotion, anger, is just starting its growth phase.


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[madinsomniac]

https://www.ksbw.com/article/new-st...-possible-herd-immunity-to-covid-19/32073873#

The first study trying to prove this started in September or October, was responsible for the weird flu like upper respiratory illness that swept through the country late last year, the heightened flu death rate late last year, and that the increase in cases is directly proportional to increase in testing cause its already saturated the country....

 

[madinsomniac]

The national debt was horrendous, unbelievable, unimaginable as of January 1, 2020. We were going to add another trillion dollars to the debt based on the 2020 budget year with the projected spending and very good tax revenues from a vibrant economy.

Instead, we just spent another $2 trillion we don't have, and the economy is in the *******, meaning we are looking at a $4 trillion deficit. FOUR. TRILLION. DOLLARS. IN. ONE. YEAR.

Why do we simply ignore the fact that millions of citizens - literally millions - rely on government-funded retirement? Police, firefighters, teachers, social workers, and on and on. That is NOT counting social security.

We are on the precipice, dramatically advanced by the recent psychotic spending spree, of seeing governments not being able to pay the retirement income owed.

So what the **** happens then?? Citizens who are 60, 70, 80 going back to work in a ****** economy killed by recent events?

Yeah, great. What could go wrong?

California already cannot pay its retirement benefits soon because they brilliantly invested the majority of it in trees and the lumber value tanked a few years back cause every halfhearted environmentalist did tge same damn thing at the same damn time

 

[Supersteeler]

The crippled economy kills those in need at the edges of the economy.

Your math is incorrect. Less people are dying of the regular causes, which means miscounting is happening.

Emotion makes us want to believe that saving people was a noble sacrifice by all. The costs of that sacrifice will be felt most harshly by those at the margin. The societal costs will be comparable to WWII.

And the reverse emotion, anger, is just starting its growth phase.


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As far as being angry just because they are stuck at home, people need to suck it up another 2 and a half weeks,...I think it will loosen up then. Look I'm just as antsy as the next person and ready to start life outside the house again, but this is the right thing to do. People need to see the bigger picture. Now that being said, people that are going crazy because they own a business and are in danger of losing it, I totally understand the anger. I would feel the same. Also people who are no longer getting paid and desperately need money......I get it completely that also.

But many seem to be bitching because they perceive their rights are being trampled on or it's some conspiracy and they don't feel they need to follow medical advice to stay away from each other until this **** subsides somewhat. Sorry, but I kinda think those people need to grow up and quit being selfish.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Flattening the curve has helped New York to not fill up those triage beds or need the Naval ship. New York did have a shortage of ventilators at a brief time but luckily some states loaned their allotment to New York, which sit in a warehouse in the event that the infection rate takes off.

That is just not true.

1. You're assuming flattening the curve helped New York. The only way it did is if the numbers of infections, deaths, hospitalizations predicted were accurate. The predictions WEREN'T accurate and the models were wrong. The models accounted for social distancing. Therefore, anyone claiming social distancing lowered the numbers is patently wrong. The only way you'll ever know is if the original models were accurate and then we came in lower.

2. New York has enough ventilators. This is old, tired, fear mongering news. Last week of March (I think the 27th) Andrew Cuomo said the state has thousands of ventilators in stockpile, despite requesting more from the federal government. 4,000 more were sent from the Federal stockpile as well.

"Neither the White House nor the New York Governor’s Mansion disagrees that the state has thousands of ventilators in stockpile. "

Right now, there are 6,500 ventilators deployed in downstate New York, according to the John Bruno, the Director of Public Information for the NYS Department of Health.

"An additional 4,400 have been provided by the federal government," Bruno told USA TODAY, with 2,400 deployed in the New York City and 2,000 allocated for the rest of the state. The state still has 800 ventilators in its stockpile; 1,000 machines have already been deployed from the reserve.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ve-stockpile-unneeded-ventilators/5097170002/

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

...but this is the right thing to do. People need to see the bigger picture. Now that being said, people that are going crazy because they own a business and are in danger of losing it, I totally understand the anger. I would feel the same. Also people who are no longer getting paid and desperately need money......I get it completely that also.

But many seem to be bitching because they perceive their rights are being trampled on or it's some conspiracy and they don't feel they need to follow medical advice to stay away from each other until this **** subsides somewhat. Sorry, but I kinda think those people need to grow up and quit being selfish.

Those are all very lofty words and rather selfish as well.

Have you ever been hungry? As in you can't pay for your next meal hungry? Been evicted? Had a car repossessed? Have children while this is happening? Have a sick child and you no longer have health care because you lost your job? Ever owned a business you put your life savings into only to have the Government shut it down and now it's gone and everything you had is gone too?

I'm sick and tired of hearing "this is the right thing to do" as a blanket remedy for 320 Million Americans like one cookie cutter recipe fits for all.

Fauci can call for a shut down and it isn't going to impact him. He's not losing his job, he's not going to be broke. The man is set for life. All of those talking heads speaking to you filling your head with fear aren't losing their jobs and are wealthy. Those Governors locking everyone down...yeah, the same.

Their suppression directives that were based upon models that were DRASTICALLY wrong have ruined lives already. Countless businesses will not re-open because of this knee-jerk reaction to something we didn't understand (that is potentially going to kill less than the flu). This shut down has thrown many into poverty. Many won't come out of it. 6.6Million filed for unemployment last week alone. We may hit 15% unemployment this week.

And you're worried that people are bitching and won't blindly and willfully "get on the trains" so to speak?

My sympathies go out to those who've had everything taken from them due to this and I understand their legitimate anger.

 

[hamster]

As far as being angry just because they are stuck at home, people need to suck it up another 2 and a half weeks,...I think it will loosen up then..

LOL.

Our PA Governor just closed schools until end of academic year. This essentially enslaves at least one parent to stay home, impacting his/her employment. And all of this because a bunch of irresponsible idiots in the Philadelphia area.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Those are all very lofty words and rather selfish as well.

Have you ever been hungry? As in you can't pay for your next meal hungry? Been evicted? Had a car repossessed? Have children while this is happening? Have a sick child and you no longer have health care because you lost your job? Ever owned a business you put your life savings into only to have the Government shut it down and now it's gone and everything you had is gone too?

I'm sick and tired of hearing "this is the right thing to do" as a blanket remedy for 320 Million Americans like one cookie cutter recipe fits for all.

Fauci can call for a shut down and it isn't going to impact him. He's not losing his job, he's not going to be broke. The man is set for life. All of those talking heads speaking to you filling your head with fear aren't losing their jobs and are wealthy. Those Governors locking everyone down...yeah, the same.

Their suppression directives that were based upon models that were DRASTICALLY wrong have ruined lives already. Countless businesses will not re-open because of this knee-jerk reaction to something we didn't understand (that is potentially going to kill less than the flu). This shut down has thrown many into poverty. Many won't come out of it. 6.6Million filed for unemployment last week alone. We may hit 15% unemployment this week.

And you're worried that people are bitching and won't blindly and willfully "get on the trains" so to speak?

My sympathies go out to those who've had everything taken from them due to this and I understand their legitimate anger.

People don't seem to grasp that this is not just about restaurants or retail stores or even non-essential businesses. How many small businesses will go bankrupt if this continues for another 45 days. How many business owners have personal guarantees on loans that will bankrupt them, foreclose on properties...etc. Just because lenders are making payment arrangements does not mean that they will not be reporting to the credit bureaus. How many individuals and businesses will have their credit ratings take a huge hit...the repercussions from that will not be seen for months, but you can guarantee that it will impact the housing market, automotive market, business markets...etc. It really feels like nobody is looking at the overall big picture. Nobody bats an eye at 500k deaths per year due to other diseases, but 250k deaths from Covid-19 is life stopping? Any loss of life is sad, but why is this virus so much worse than suicides, cancer, AIDS...etc?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

In the past 3 weeks, 16.6Million Americans have applied for unemployment benefits.

THREE WEEKS, double the size of New York City. Let that sink in.

 

[IndySteel]

People don't seem to grasp that this is not just about restaurants or retail stores or even non-essential businesses. How many small businesses will go bankrupt if this continues for another 45 days. How many business owners have personal guarantees on loans that will bankrupt them, foreclose on properties...etc. Just because lenders are making payment arrangements does not mean that they will not be reporting to the credit bureaus. How many individuals and businesses will have their credit ratings take a huge hit...the repercussions from that will not be seen for months, but you can guarantee that it will impact the housing market, automotive market, business markets...etc. It really feels like nobody is looking at the overall big picture. Nobody bats an eye at 500k deaths per year due to other diseases, but 250k deaths from Covid-19 is life stopping? Any loss of life is sad, but why is this virus so much worse than suicides, cancer, AIDS...etc?

Dimocrats hate small businesses. Which is just more proof that they hate America.

Senate Democrats Block GOP Proposal for Extra $250 Billion in Small Business Aid
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JOSHUA CAPLAN9 Apr 20203,359

Senate Democrats on Thursday blocked a Republican effort to unanimously pass legislation to add $250 billion to the government’s small business loan program aimed at helping companies devastated by the Chinese coronavirus pandemic.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) attempted to forward the bill by unanimous consent, but Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD) opposed the move, pumping the brakes on President Donald Trump’s plan to bolster the “paycheck protection” program.

In a Senate floor speech, McConnell affirmed that the proposal would not impact the “policy language” of the $2 trillion bi-partisan coronavirus relief package passed late last month.

“We need more funding and we need it fast,” McConnell urged. “Do not block emergency aid you do not oppose just because you want something more.”

 

[Superman]

People don't seem to grasp that this is not just about restaurants or retail stores or even non-essential businesses. How many small businesses will go bankrupt if this continues for another 45 days. How many business owners have personal guarantees on loans that will bankrupt them, foreclose on properties...etc. Just because lenders are making payment arrangements does not mean that they will not be reporting to the credit bureaus. How many individuals and businesses will have their credit ratings take a huge hit...the repercussions from that will not be seen for months, but you can guarantee that it will impact the housing market, automotive market, business markets...etc. It really feels like nobody is looking at the overall big picture. Nobody bats an eye at 500k deaths per year due to other diseases, but 250k deaths from Covid-19 is life stopping? Any loss of life is sad, but why is this virus so much worse than suicides, cancer, AIDS...etc?

its currently illegal to foreclose on property unless it was vacant prior to the Rona or is just land. This is in effect for approximately another 30 days, and may even be extended.

what you'll see in restaurants is doors closing as they sell their last bit of food. Instead of ordering more from vendors/suppliers as stock gets low, places will just close. I can't imagine that any restaurant is thriving in this state of the economy, I saw this just this week at the pizza place around the corner from my house. They make/made great pizza. Sales dropped and this week they don't even have their "OPEN" light flashing - despite going to takeout only.

say this **** is lifted Friday - all these places which have closed will need to be cleaned and sterilized. How's that going to be done? Just walk in with a few cans of Lysol and wipe down door handles with bleach wipes? It's going to take a lot longer. HVAC will need to be cleaned, all surfaces sterilized, etc so on and so forth. I have a feeling that we've not even seen the tip of the iceberg to how this is going to effect our economy.

btw - wasnt singling you out, just correcting the foreclosure misconception.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

People don't seem to grasp that this is not just about restaurants or retail stores or even non-essential businesses. How many small businesses will go bankrupt if this continues for another 45 days. How many business owners have personal guarantees on loans that will bankrupt them, foreclose on properties...etc. Just because lenders are making payment arrangements does not mean that they will not be reporting to the credit bureaus. How many individuals and businesses will have their credit ratings take a huge hit...the repercussions from that will not be seen for months, but you can guarantee that it will impact the housing market, automotive market, business markets...etc. It really feels like nobody is looking at the overall big picture. Nobody bats an eye at 500k deaths per year due to other diseases, but 250k deaths from Covid-19 is life stopping? Any loss of life is sad, but why is this virus so much worse than suicides, cancer, AIDS...etc?

The answer has been given over and over again and you choose to ignore it.


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[wig]

At the end of the day, Bernie and his socialist buddies won without firing a shot.

This voluntary shutdown will most likely force the U.S. to adopt many many more socialist programs and systems. The simple truth is, the sheer number of people going on unemployment right now will completely break the system. And that's BEFORE they decided to give everyone an EXTRA $1200 or whatever. The country simply cannot pay it. That means more taxes. There just isn't any other option.

I talked with a financial advisor just last year and he said Social Security (was) absolutely safe for at least the next 35 to 40 years. He said after that, you probably shouldn't assume there will be anything left. Well, with THIS **** storm, everyone currently receiving Soc. Security benefits are in near-future danger of having all their benefits cut off. The government will simply have no choice but to stop funding and supporting the program.

While everyone who's been counting at least to some degree on social security feels like that's a **** deal (and it is), they are in no worse boat than the masses of people who invested for their retirement and now have watched all that investment disappear.

Ah! you say, but guys like Spike took their money out and they're sitting on a pretty little nest egg...

I return you, respectfully to Post WWII Germany. Inflation rose to such levels that money was virtually worthless. Feel good about that 150k your sitting on. In a year or two it may be worth 1k.

Nope. The country has fallen. Now is a GREAT time to start thinking about what kind of country we want to be as I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see some significant revolutionary type behavior starting up in the next 12 to 18 months. You can't take an entire countries entire retirement, rip it up and throw it on a fire and then ask them to sit by docile as their politicians continue to live wealthy lives and give themselves raises. Something will give.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

For all the economic doom and gloom. It looks like we might be opening up some if not most of the economy in the not too distant future. I know many people have gone out of their way to help business and people get through this period. I hear all this negativity but I have yet to actually see it. People are still getting paid many more than they were. Businesses are getting loans that if used correctly will be forgiven. All this unemployment is hopefully temporary and people will be returning to the same jobs they previously had. This is not a typical economically based down turn this is an artificially created and temporary downturn that theoretically should bounce right back. That is why I don’t trust studies based on past truly economic long term down times. This isn’t necessarily going to be anything like them.

Tim could be right but I am betting on people to show him he was wrong on this one.



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