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The Coronavirus thread

Still don't know who elfie is, but i'll answer: If a person is willing to scam a charity, imagine what lies they are willing to spin on live television to make themself look better.

Additionally, the Feb 26 quote is another example of Trump downplaying the virus.

Lastly, members of his own administration say Trump is a terrible person. Why won't you believe a person that is that close to him?

you're getting on my nerves with your condescension.

first off - your opinion of Trump's charities and how a person could/would do that falls flat when we know you support/ed Hildebeast and The Clinton Foundation. Speaking of, where are these ************* now that there is verifiable world crisis going on?

as for being a terrible person - could not care less. he was not elected based on his eloquence and grace, unlike the dipshit he replaced. I don't care if he's a bull in a china shop, unable to speak gracefully and prattle off bullshit lines after bullshit lines. The fact that he is doing what is best for ALL of us is what got him elected and what will get OrangeManBad re-elected.
 
This is worth the read. How the CDC continues to jack up death numbers and how the deaths from this virus will be over-inflated

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The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers
https://www.americanthinker.com/art...ses_to_lying_about_covid19_death_numbers.html

Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted?

It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been lying to us.

This revelation comes a few days after I wrote here at American Thinker that New York City was lying about COVID-19 deaths. The normal rules about reporting deaths have been violated by that city in the rush to inflate the body count, presumably to steer more taxpayer money to the Big Apple.

That the CDC isn’t telling the truth to Americans is no conspiracy theory: it’s right out there in the open for everyone to see. The CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.

We know this because, among other truth-tellers, a plainspoken small-town physician from Kalispell, Montana, has pulled back the curtain.

Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how death certificates are made. (See “Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated,” YouTube, April 6)

Why should anyone care how a certificate of death is made?

Everyone should care “today when governments are making massive changes that affect our constitutional rights and those changes are based on inaccurate statistics,” Bukacek says.

The system is deeply flawed, she argues.

Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician, coroner, or medical examiner, signing the death certificate. How do I know this? I've been filling out death certificates for over 30 years.

More often than we want to admit, we don’t know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life. We are doctors, not God. Autopsies are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guesstimate and fill out the form. Then that listed cause of death … is entered into a vital records data bank to use for statistical analysis, which then gives out inaccurate numbers, as you can imagine. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false.

This has been the way it has been done for some time, Bukacek says.

So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website.

Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission.
Prior to COVID-19, people were more likely to get an accurate cause of death written on their death certificate if they died in the hospital. Why more accurate when a patient dies in the hospital? Because hospital staff has physical examination findings labs, radiologic studies, et cetera, to make a good educated guess. It is estimated that 60 percent of people die in the hospital. But even [with] those in-hospital deaths, the cause of death is not always clear, especially in someone with multiple health conditions, each of which could cause the death.

Bukacek refers to a March 24 CDC memo from Steven Schwartz, director of the Division of Vital Statistics for the National Center for Health Statistics, titled “COVID-19 Alert No. 2.”

“The assumption of COVID-19 death,” she says, “can be made even without testing. Based on assumption alone the death can be reported to the public as another COVID-19 casualty.”

There is a question-and-answer section on the memo.

One question is, “Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?”

The answer is: “The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

Another question is, “Should ‘COVID-19’ be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?”

The answer is:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.” [Boldfacing in original]

“You could see how these statistics have been made to look really scary when it is so easy to add false numbers to the official database,” Bukacek says. “Those false numbers are sanctioned by the CDC.”

“The real number of COVID-19 deaths are not what most people are told and what they then think,” she says.

“How many people have actually died from COVID-19 is anyone’s guess … but based on how death certificates are being filled out, you can be certain the number is substantially lower than what we are being told. Based on inaccurate, incomplete data people are being terrorized by fearmongers into relinquishing cherished freedoms.”

It’s hard to argue with what Dr. Bukacek says, but no doubt angry social media mobs will find a way as her chilling words enlighten the populace that has been bullied into submission.

Of course, the disease’s body count is not the sole concern we should have about the Chinese contagion, but it is undeniably the primary driver of the rampant mass hysteria that has allowed state and local governments across America to crush our cherished civil liberties.

As they say in newsrooms: if it bleeds, it leads. Deaths are always going to be more “sexy” than confirmed cases. It is the number that really, really counts, and Americans know this.

The fraudulent death statistics also give ammunition to the legions of snitches and scolds who try to shame their fellow Americans for attending church or playing catch in an empty park or taking a harmless drive in the countryside to prevent themselves from going stir-crazy.

The fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results, even with a plague that is, so far at least, underperforming.

First, experts told us 2.2 million Americans would die. Then the number fell off a cliff, plunging down to around 200,000.

As of April 8, the number of those expected to die from the disease by August 4 was down to 60,000, or roughly a very nasty flu season. The new figure comes from the influential model produced by the University of Washington that the White House regularly cites.

Has social-distancing, wearing face masks, hosing down packages with bleach, using hand sanitizer that is at least 60 percent alcohol, and washing hands with soap and water for a minimum of 20 seconds helped bring the grim worst-case-scenario body count down?

Probably, I’m guessing, but it’s hard to know for sure.

Maybe those epidemiological modelers can be forgiven for scaring the bejeezus out of Americans. Epidemiology is not, after all, an exact science, as its practitioners sometimes acknowledge.

But those who have force-fed modelers skewed data that led to the terrifying death forecasts that stampeded governors into pushing the nation down the road to totalitarianism need to be held to account.

Let the investigations begin.
 
you're getting on my nerves with your condescension.

first off - your opinion of Trump's charities and how a person could/would do that falls flat when we know you support/ed Hildebeast and The Clinton Foundation. Speaking of, where are these ************* now that there is verifiable world crisis going on?

as for being a terrible person - could not care less. he was not elected based on his eloquence and grace, unlike the dipshit he replaced. I don't care if he's a bull in a china shop, unable to speak gracefully and prattle off bullshit lines after bullshit lines. The fact that he is doing what is best for ALL of us is what got him elected and what will get OrangeManBad re-elected.

Stop giving Brian a hard time. He's just trying to re-settle in.
 
So for all of you shut down apologists...any of you beginning to think this is getting excessive? June. JUNE. 4 months, IF it opens then.

In 3 weeks, 16.6Million went unemployed. Those numbers are going to speed up, quadruple?

We are willfully killing ourselves. There is no bounce back to this. There will be nothing easy. The economy will not come roaring back.

The cure is worse than the virus. **** we may not get to 50,000 deaths but we may have killed a nation.

New York City mayor warns that coronavirus restrictions may last until June: Time to ‘double down’
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/new...-tightening-says-its-time-to-double-down.html
 
you're getting on my nerves with your condescension.

first off - your opinion of Trump's charities and how a person could/would do that falls flat when we know you support/ed Hildebeast and The Clinton Foundation. Speaking of, where are these ************* now that there is verifiable world crisis going on?

as for being a terrible person - could not care less. he was not elected based on his eloquence and grace, unlike the dipshit he replaced. I don't care if he's a bull in a china shop, unable to speak gracefully and prattle off bullshit lines after bullshit lines. The fact that he is doing what is best for ALL of us is what got him elected and what will get OrangeManBad re-elected.

Your use of the word 'condescension' is incorrect in this instance as I am only delivering facts. Second, I am gald we can agree on someting: That Trump and his charity was a scam.......Notice, you didn't deny it......you went into whataboutism and the Clinton Foundation.
Not sure I understand how someones votes for a person that they acknowledge is a terrible person.
 
Additionally, the Feb 26 quote is another example of Trump downplaying the virus.

Wasn't it around that time they projected gazillions of Americans would die?

Your incessant need to cling to petty, water under the bridge* "lies" is testimony of your severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

*used to refer to events or situations that are in the past and consequently no longer to be regarded as important or as a source of concern.

In case you weren't familiar with the phrase.
 
Not sure I understand how someones votes for a person that they acknowledge is a terrible person.

Why is this surprising? 63 million voted for Hillary Arkancide Clinton - who would absolutely finish in the top 3 in the Most Evil Americans Ever list.
 
Your use of the word 'condescension' is incorrect in this instance as I am only delivering facts. Second, I am gald we can agree on someting: That Trump and his charity was a scam.......Notice, you didn't deny it......you went into whataboutism and the Clinton Foundation.
Not sure I understand how someones votes for a person that they acknowledge is a terrible person.

LOL - when you try to come across as being more intellectual than the person you're trying to roast, be sure to spell your words correctly, retard.

keep it up and this profile will meet the exact same fate as your main profile did.
 
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Your use of the word 'condescension' is incorrect in this instance as I am only delivering facts. Second, I am gald we can agree on someting: That Trump and his charity was a scam.......Notice, you didn't deny it......you went into whataboutism and the Clinton Foundation.
Not sure I understand how someones votes for a person that they acknowledge is a terrible person.

Right, just go with "whataboutism" again. What its about is exposing you leftist ******* hypocrisy and double standards more than it is about defending Trump. It was just too glaring to ignore..

You were up Hillarys ******* so deep while telling yourself how nice it smells in there.

Suck on that condescension.
 
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LOL - when you try to come across as being more intellectual than the person you're trying to roast, be sure to spell your words correctly, retard.

keep it up and this profile will meet the exact same fate as your main profile did.

Why do you keep calling me names and threatening me?
 
Don’t know why you guys keep feeding that ******* troll. It adds nothing to the discussion of this topic.

It's kind of like an investment! The more you invest taking time out from this great topic to feed the troll, the more closer he comes to getting the boot with his snarky replies.

He's got strike 2 already!
 
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The CDC is built to control a narrative to promote the tactics the government thinks is most useful to combat an outbreak

Sometimes this requires stretching the truth to fit their narrative...I cannot really critique them on this... I understand its purpose, but I don’t always agree with it...

During the ebola outbreak, for instance, the government decided to try to calm the public and not make it out to be a big deal... they outright lied and insinuated That transmission was exactly like aids... which was false... it wasn’t until after the outbreak was over that they admitted that it could be transmitted through saliva particles in coughs, a much scarier prospect than blood transmission. They also removed dozens of people from hospitals with ebola like symptoms and declared them other strange exotic diseases... a common tactic to downplay an outbreak

In this case they want to make the public aware its dangerous, so they are pushing a different narrative
They are inflating death counts, and focusing on the worse case scenarios in briefs. They are hyping every outlier and literally tying deaths with the right narrative to the virus to keep people at home... a pastor speaking out dies with coronavirus... national news... a child has a severe case, National news, anyone under 30 with it dies, national news...

The average age of death is over 80... not national news
The march data that showed people under 45 to 20 death rates using confirmed cases, .2%... not national news
people under 20 death rates, virtually 0% ... not news...
That the expected death rate is now believed to be the same as the flu... nope

That the death rate for everyone despite age, without an underlying heath issue is like under a half percent IN CoNFIRMED cased... which means once they factor in estimates at the end of this its going to be virtually zero... nope
 
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I don't need to read it again. Why don't you read what you asked?

You asked specifically "where do you see the decline?"

I showed you exactly where the decline was.

The daily change in confirmed Ohio coronavirus cases has leveled off or even dipped in recent days.Rich Exner, cleveland.com


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My point was you used her words and she is forecasting an increase still and that goes against what you said. Yes we have plateaued but in all honesty I freely admit that the case number at this point is irrelevant without more testing, the deaths are what matter. We have to wait a week or so to truly see the trend I hope it is going down and she is wrong again with her predictions that you posted.
 
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