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OK then it's between the two of you.
Trog, you may not realize the undeniable facts, but they push through nonetheless. Examples of China-apologist media accidentally letting a tiny shadow of truth slip through their Xi bootlicking.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21173...tancing-elderly-epidemic-isolation-quarantine
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...devastating-effect-people-depression-n1157871
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/health/coronavirus-mental-health-long-term-wellness/index.html
So what toll does the economic devastation cause? Nobody bothers to model that. What social toll? No models for that either. Suicides due to economic devastation and social distancing? No models for that. Deaths due to job loss leading to less money for medicine, gym attendance, better food? No model for that.
"Too many variables."
Oh, okay. So deaths due to virus? ******* model after model after model, all wrong.
Deaths due to poverty, deprivation, loneliness, isolation, diet, exercise? Nobody knows. Or cares, it seems.
Is it possible, indeed likely, that the second number exceeds the first? Damn right it is. And pardon me for not being willing to save 50,000 so that another 150,000 can die.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21173...tancing-elderly-epidemic-isolation-quarantine
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...devastating-effect-people-depression-n1157871
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/health/coronavirus-mental-health-long-term-wellness/index.html
So what toll does the economic devastation cause? Nobody bothers to model that. What social toll? No models for that either. Suicides due to economic devastation and social distancing? No models for that. Deaths due to job loss leading to less money for medicine, gym attendance, better food? No model for that.
"Too many variables."
Oh, okay. So deaths due to virus? ******* model after model after model, all wrong.
Deaths due to poverty, deprivation, loneliness, isolation, diet, exercise? Nobody knows. Or cares, it seems.
Is it possible, indeed likely, that the second number exceeds the first? Damn right it is. And pardon me for not being willing to save 50,000 so that another 150,000 can die.
got my stimulus check on Sarge kicking cucktime's ***
For you, the check should be labeled a "deterrent check" since you have not stimulated anything since your 5th grade teacher was inspired to yell at your parents.
Yep, every one, without exception, no difference the FCC or the FBI, the state commission on public arts vs. law enforcement. None, none at all, everybody in the same boat.
Said nobody.
The sole purpose of government is to protect person and property. That's it. The employees engaged in legitimate government functions - protecting person and property - were not included, at least not meant to be included. Therefore, active duty law enforcement, military are not equated to the 20 million non-protection civilian employees, Fed, state, local combined.
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I said the number of new cases is going to have to drop off a cliff not to exceed that. There have been 25,000-30,000 new cases/day ever since this thing leveled-off. That .00176 is growing rapidly. And if there are ten times that many undiagnosed cases as mention in the NYT, then the chance of contracting it is ten times higher. Yes, that drops the mortality rate, but deaths since it leveled off have been about 2,000/day. You’re going to need a lot more cases without many additional deaths to drop the mortality rate to .0066 or whatever.
Maybe. Very possibly not true, at least as far as you are styling the issue. Specifically, the data do not take into account the potentially very large number of asymptomatic to very-low symptom people who have contracted the virus. Those people would not be tested, and indeed would have not foreseen any reason to go to the doctor.
https://www.technologyreview.com/20...ow-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/
Note that the actual, documented 0.37% mortality rate is much, much lower than TSF's 0.66% rate you discuss.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
1500 yesterday, 1400 today
bolded your numbers since it appears you're unable to determine what you're exactly preDICKting
One interesting perspective on the mortality issue ...
Texas is the 2nd most populated in the Union, behind just California. Texas instituted a state-wide social distancing restrictions and closed schools on March 31, 2020 - or eleven (11) days AFTER New York did so.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-shelter-in-place-orders-by-state/5092413002/
Despite that fact, Texas, with a population of 29 million (more than New York), has just 13,484 confirmed cases. Of the 13,484 confirmed cases in Texas, 271 have died.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
That means that thus far in Texas, which did not impose a "lockdown" until well after New York, New Jersey, California, etc., they have an infection rate of one person for every 2,150 citizens, and a mortality rate of one for every 110,537 citizens - or .000905% for the general population.
Texas is the 2nd most populated in the Union, behind just California. Texas instituted a state-wide social distancing restrictions and closed schools on March 31, 2020 - or eleven (11) days AFTER New York did so.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-shelter-in-place-orders-by-state/5092413002/
Despite that fact, Texas, with a population of 29 million (more than New York), has just 13,484 confirmed cases. Of the 13,484 confirmed cases in Texas, 271 have died.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
That means that thus far in Texas, which did not impose a "lockdown" until well after New York, New Jersey, California, etc., they have an infection rate of one person for every 2,150 citizens, and a mortality rate of one for every 110,537 citizens - or .000905% for the general population.
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They're commies so it's nothing new. Look at what they did when they came into power. They slaughted what 20-50 million. The soviet union did the same type of stuff with their shining example of communism being the starvation of tens of millions.
The commies make the nazi's look like amateurs. Yet here we are buying all of their **** produced through slave labor and suffering. All to save a buck. We really need to rethink what we're doing with them business wise.
we are not as weak as those liberal *******
Its a damn shame PA has no recall provisions on the books... that dumbshit Wolf would already be gone...
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Does anyone else find it ironic that the government is talking about “immunity papers” in order to be allowed to be outside and travel, yet oppose voter ID to the point of wanting a mail in system that could be defrauded with relative ease?
I find it ironic that the people elected to lead don’t know the laws they are even elected to uphold...
Id be more than fine with having to publish a standardized iq test and take a basic written exam as a pretext to running for an office... these dimwits cannot grasp that unalienable rights aren’t suspendable ...
One of my proposed requirements for running for public office!!
For the record the riots in brussels today are the first signs of the violent rebellion about to sweep the world... the us better come up with hard timelines in place to avoid that
Governor Abbott in Texas is supposed to release his guidelines later this week on when companies can go back to work.
Of course the media says "this has nothing to do with the lockdown" despite the fact that police were chasing a 19 year old on a scooter who was violating the lockdown and the chase led to him running into another police vehicle and dying.
But it has nothing to do with the lockdown.
Prager talked about this today. Some college study suggested the reason California had far more deaths than NY is because California was in lockdown if 6 days before NY.
The report said even one day makes a significant difference...
...but what was not explained is how could highly populated Florida have one of the lowest death rates when it went into lockdown 10 days after NY??
People vote for that thing. Just think about that.
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If there are 10X as many undetected cases as detected cases....it's also LESS deadly. Countless numbers of Americans have had it and shown no signs, or have had it and attributed it to the cold or flu and got over it on their own. Many get CV19 and it does nothing to them or mildly affects them. I know this is hard to comprehend it seems.
This is the point. ONCE undiagnosed cases are estimated, as the CDC will....as they do with the flu annually....the numbers will drop.
You all citing these absolute numbers of cases detected and deaths omit one of the biggest factors in the equation - undiagnosed cases. It's a massive number. It's like saying x + 2 =4 and not solving for X.
There is a reason the CDC every year when looking at the flu factors how deadly it is by calculating # of diagnosed cases, # of "estimated" undiagnosed cases and deaths. Otherwise the death rate for the flu would be astronomically higher....and inaccurate.
Right now taking ONLY detected cases of CV19 and comparing them to deaths is simply bad, misleading math.
BTW both cases per day and deaths per day have DROPPED for the past few days Trog. It's all right here in pretty little graphs https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
The past 3 days show (unless we spike) this thing is trailing off.
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Not at all, 1,400 new deaths would still mean 200,000+ new cases to get to .0066 mortality rate.
If you’re arguing there are many more cases than known, you’re also arguing that it is even more contagious than thought.