The Coronavirus thread

[Superman]

No. You’re making the false assumption that the mortality rate is static and independent of people being able to receive medical care. Also, if it’s so contagious that virtually everyone would contract it, 1% mortality means millions of deaths.

the problem you're unable to see is due to the fear porn you've either been engulfed in or are doing a damn good job of attempting to spread.

no one wants to be sick. no one wants anyone else to be sick. you're consistently throwing out these numbers as if we should all shutter our windows, lock our doors and cower under our dining tables for fear of some unseen boogeyman that can penetrate our very walls and kill us. and that death will be painful. horrible. excruciatingly slow and miserable. you're giving this fear porn more credit than it is due.

keep in mind, no one is downplaying the seriousness of this if you are unlucky enough to contract the virus. it can result in death. 169k people died in 2017 from accidents. are you going to suggest we stay home, lying on the floor so that we do not trip, fall and injure ourselves? 169,000 people died in 2017 from accidents. preventable? who knows. may as well have everyone stay home, right.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

better to be safe than sorry.

yet here's what can and will result in people continuing to stay home. meat processing plants will close. Smithfield already did. more are likely to follow. farmers are not going to be able to plant their crops. the grocery stores will soon begin to experience shortages, then complete outages of products. then what? pump another $900 quad trillion billion infinity dollars into peoples' checking accounts? money will be worthless, as there will be nothing to buy. air sandwiches will become a staple for many.

this economy does NOT function unless people are working. we've long touted how our economy is the best in the world. it was. until this. now, we have more people sitting home playing xbox and ps, smoking legal weed, quarantining and the economy is mere feet from crashing beyond control.

those workers who stock shelves may soon begin to think "i need more pay if I'm going to be here" - then your products will increase in price. no worries - we'll just have people implanted so we can auto-send them money from government coffers. easy, peezy, right?

homeschooling is in effect until schools close for the remainder of the school year. will we get a refund on our taxes? likely not. we'll soon be banned from driving vehicles as more robust quaranting takes place. Which means more people will be out of jobs. Which means more vehicles will break down from not being used, causing more environmental damage as people dump old oil from their cars into the ground since oil collection centers will be closed. recreational parks will grow over and it will take a long time to get those ready for use.

ah, but just open the economy, right? just let people go back to work immediately? no. cant be done. everything - every business will need to be scrubbed clean. ceilings, walls, floors, doors, door handles, break rooms, restrooms, all surfaces and HVACs will need to be cleaned prior to workers going back. or else we're right back where we started this ****.

all we've done is hinder herd mentality of immunity. no, throwing a ton of people together will not result in 100% becoming magically immune, but it will help fend off this virus in the future.

but, while the economy is amping back up, doctors and scientists will continue to work for a vaccine. they will find something. who knows when, but during this time while you're grabbing at that last can of vienna sausages or pork and beans, rest assured that your beloved elected leaders (like Nancy Pelosi) will also be uncomfortable. i mean, having to choose from dozens of flavors of $13 1/2 pint ice cream in her $12k freezer is almost unbearable to consider. ah, but she has a nice selection of wine in her adjacent $12k refrigerator, so there's that.

 

[Steeltime]

I can guarantee one thing, and only one, about this entire goat-**** pandemic shutdown:

If, as seems almost certain to be the case, the panic-mongers were wrong about every important projection (number of hospitalizations, number of ventilators needed, the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine, the number of infected, the number of deaths as a result), they will NOT apologize and admit they ****** the pooch.

Ever.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

There is one biosafety level 4 facility in China, the Wuhan Institute of Virology. One. They were researching bat coronaviruses. There has been concern about the safety processes at this facility since 2018. We knew all this when it came out that the virus originated in Wuhan. Not one MSM "journalist" questioned the Chinese story about the wet market. That's all you need to know about the state of journalism today.

They are talking about it on Fox finally. Still not a peep from the usual suspects.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

This Johns Hopkins COVID-19 map makes it look like everyone in the US is dead. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

This is with about 32,000 dead and 650,000 confirmed cases. Imagine what this map would have looked like during the 2017-2018 flu season, when there were over 60,000 dead and around 45 million confirmed cases - and over 800,000 hospitalized.

 

[Steeltime]

They are talking about it on Fox finally. Still not a peep from the usual suspects.

I'm shocked - SHOCKED! - that the boot-licking mainstream media, including Bloomy's news, are not going after China with a blowtorch for killing tens of thousands or more likely hundreds of thousands and causing trillions of dollars of damage.

It's not like they have a history of bowing and scraping to the evil, totalitarian regime in China and killing stories ripping open their corrupt, lying veneer to show the truth behind the "leaders" of that nation.

 

[Steeler Pride]

This Johns Hopkins COVID-19 map makes it look like everyone in the US is dead. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

This is with about 32,000 dead and 650,000 confirmed cases. Imagine what this map would have looked like during the 2017-2018 flu season, when there were over 60,000 dead and around 45 million confirmed cases - and over 800,000 hospitalized.

Just messing with you...I know the board has been acting strange lately.

 

[Steeltime]

Great news ... Stretch-face Nancy is here to make us all feel better about our plight by showing off her multiple sub-zero, $12,000 freezers and collection of high-priced specialty ice cream.



Wow, I feel so much better since I know Rubber-face is giving up her paycheck.

What? Never mind. ****, politics pays well.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Ohio starting a phased in reopening May 1st. Companies will have until then to put plans in place to maintain best practices.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Ohio starting a phased in reopening May 1st. Companies will have until then to put plans in place to maintain best practices.

My question for any Governor or even at the Federal level, how do you expect restaurants, or movie theaters to survive when you take out 50% or more of their seating. Most restaurants need every seat filled 2-3 times on a typical weekend evening to just break even. Seems like either a lot of restaurants will close, or more stimulus money will be needed if they intend to maintain their social distancing practices.

 

[Troglodyte]

the problem you're unable to see is due to the fear porn you've either been engulfed in or are doing a damn good job of attempting to spread.

no one wants to be sick. no one wants anyone else to be sick. you're consistently throwing out these numbers as if we should all shutter our windows, lock our doors and cower under our dining tables for fear of some unseen boogeyman that can penetrate our very walls and kill us. and that death will be painful. horrible. excruciatingly slow and miserable. you're giving this fear porn more credit than it is due.

keep in mind, no one is downplaying the seriousness of this if you are unlucky enough to contract the virus. it can result in death. 169k people died in 2017 from accidents. are you going to suggest we stay home, lying on the floor so that we do not trip, fall and injure ourselves? 169,000 people died in 2017 from accidents. preventable? who knows. may as well have everyone stay home, right.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

better to be safe than sorry.

yet here's what can and will result in people continuing to stay home. meat processing plants will close. Smithfield already did. more are likely to follow. farmers are not going to be able to plant their crops. the grocery stores will soon begin to experience shortages, then complete outages of products. then what? pump another $900 quad trillion billion infinity dollars into peoples' checking accounts? money will be worthless, as there will be nothing to buy. air sandwiches will become a staple for many.

this economy does NOT function unless people are working. we've long touted how our economy is the best in the world. it was. until this. now, we have more people sitting home playing xbox and ps, smoking legal weed, quarantining and the economy is mere feet from crashing beyond control.

those workers who stock shelves may soon begin to think "i need more pay if I'm going to be here" - then your products will increase in price. no worries - we'll just have people implanted so we can auto-send them money from government coffers. easy, peezy, right?

homeschooling is in effect until schools close for the remainder of the school year. will we get a refund on our taxes? likely not. we'll soon be banned from driving vehicles as more robust quaranting takes place. Which means more people will be out of jobs. Which means more vehicles will break down from not being used, causing more environmental damage as people dump old oil from their cars into the ground since oil collection centers will be closed. recreational parks will grow over and it will take a long time to get those ready for use.

ah, but just open the economy, right? just let people go back to work immediately? no. cant be done. everything - every business will need to be scrubbed clean. ceilings, walls, floors, doors, door handles, break rooms, restrooms, all surfaces and HVACs will need to be cleaned prior to workers going back. or else we're right back where we started this ****.

all we've done is hinder herd mentality of immunity. no, throwing a ton of people together will not result in 100% becoming magically immune, but it will help fend off this virus in the future.

but, while the economy is amping back up, doctors and scientists will continue to work for a vaccine. they will find something. who knows when, but during this time while you're grabbing at that last can of vienna sausages or pork and beans, rest assured that your beloved elected leaders (like Nancy Pelosi) will also be uncomfortable. i mean, having to choose from dozens of flavors of $13 1/2 pint ice cream in her $12k freezer is almost unbearable to consider. ah, but she has a nice selection of wine in her adjacent $12k refrigerator, so there's that.

I’m not going to get into the amount of time you must have on your hands, but what is your point about the meat processing plants closing and what does that have to do with the economic shutdown?

 

[Steeltime]

I’m not going to get into the amount of time you must have on your hands, but what is your point about the meat processing plants closing and what does that have to do with the economic shutdown?

 

[Superman]

Flog, normally I'd question the absolute density of someone's cranium to determine if they're either brain dead or just willingly obtuse. In your case, I can effectively state that while you exhibit traits of being brain dead, and are more often than not willingly obtuse, even you could connect those dots with a dull crayon.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

My question for any Governor or even at the Federal level, how do you expect restaurants, or movie theaters to survive when you take out 50% or more of their seating. Most restaurants need every seat filled 2-3 times on a typical weekend evening to just break even. Seems like either a lot of restaurants will close, or more stimulus money will be needed if they intend to maintain their social distancing practices.

To be fair to Mike Dewine here in Ohio he has said he doesn't have those kinds of answers yet. He like Trump is doing is working with a panel and the businesses directly to come up with answers, unlike certain governors form that State up North of us who just do stupid ****. Dewine was the first or close to the first to allow carryout alcoholic drinks with take out to help bar tenders. He has tried to be innovative and is trying to get things back open safely.

 

[Steeltime]

Dewine was the first or close to the first to allow carryout alcoholic drinks with take out to help bar tenders. He has tried to be innovative and is trying to get things back open safely.

I think we forget that the iron fist of government was not needed anywhere NEAR as much as was used. In particular, PRIOR to any "shutdown" order by the corrupt officials holding public office (who somehow seem to make millions while non-politician America gets raped economically), attendance at restaurants, bars, movie theaters, etc. was down by a vast amount.

Even before the order to close bars, one bartender saw a 70 percent drop in sales by last Saturday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lose-insist-theyll-stay-open-make-living.html

So the idea that we need drunk Nancy and the expensive freezers to mandate everything we do is dumb. People are going to be cautious for quite a while after we try to re-start the economy. Government does not need to order us on how to sit, where to sit, when to sit, when to eat, what to eat. We actually know what we're doing.

So **** these detailed government orders.

Oh, and **** China. DON'T BUY ANY GODDAMN THING MADE IN CHINA.

 

[Troglodyte]

Flog, normally I'd question the absolute density of someone's cranium to determine if they're either brain dead or just willingly obtuse. In your case, I can effectively state that while you exhibit traits of being brain dead, and are more often than not willingly obtuse, even you could connect those dots with a dull crayon.

Answer the question.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I’m not going to get into the amount of time you must have on your hands, but what is your point about the meat processing plants closing and what does that have to do with the economic shutdown?

 

[Troglodyte]

Feel free to answer the question.

 

[Troglodyte]

Answer the question.

 

[Superman]

Answer the question.

you cannot piece that together? you really need to be hand-held on this? if so, you should just abstain from posting in this thread again.

 

[Troglodyte]

you cannot piece that together? you really need to be hand-held on this? if so, you should just abstain from posting in this thread again.

Answer the question, let’s see who is piecing things together.

 

[Steeltime]

The United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) union represents 1.3 million workers in food and retail. As of Monday, Marc Perrone, UFCW international president said at least 30 members have died from COVID-19 and more than 3,000 are not at work because they are sick or have been exposed to someone who has the virus.

"Simply put, COVID-19 pandemic presents a clear and present danger to our workers and the nation’s food supply," Perrone said in a nationwide teleconference on Monday.

JBS USA is a leader in processing beef, pork and chicken poultry in the U.S. as well as beef in Canada. Based in Greeley, Colorado, the company has temporarily closed the Greeley beef production facility until April 24.

Christine McCracken, senior protein analyst for Rabobank , based in New York, said consumers should not see a big impact in the short run from that Smithfield plant alone. "We shouldn't see a dramatic impact or any increases in price on store shelves," McCracken said. "But there could be some disruptions on certain products."

A core issue is labor shortages which began before the coronavirus because of the low unemployment. But a lot of plants, McCracken said, have seen high absenteeism due to child care issues or sickness, that is expecting to continue.

"It's probable with that drop in labor you might have to get a bone in product and do some of the work yourself," McCracken said. "We don't have the workers in the plants."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...meat-shortages-coronavirus-plants/2988262001/

3,000 out of 1.3 million = 0.2% of the workforce.

Fatalities 30 out of 1.3 million = 0.0002% of the workforce.

So why are these plants shutting down? The worry that the virus will spread via infected food? NO.

The World Health Organization, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say COVID-19 cannot be spread through food, said Martin Wiedmann, a professor in food safety at Cornell University. It’s an “unstable virus” that is mostly spread through sneezing and person-to-person contact. Stomach acids also mostly neutralize the virus if it’s eaten, he added.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ages-processing-plants-close-due-coronavirus/

According to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with the transmission of COVID-19.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...meat-shortages-coronavirus-plants/2988262001/

The plants are being shut down because of health issues requiring cleaning of the facility (in small part) but more because the economic shutdown order includes hay and grain delivery, veterinary visits, food for the livestock, delivery drivers transporting the cattle to and from the plant, car mechanics working on the employee vehicles, and schools and child care facilities that would look after kids and allow the employees to work.

Trucking and supply chain disruptions caused by the closings are real but temporary, Steve Meyer, a consulting economist with the National Pork Board, told FreightWaves. "From a trucking standpoint, somebody is going to haul those pigs and animals," Meyer said.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/meat-processing-closings-protect-humans-202754673.html

So you style this as, "The governor did not order the meat processing locations to shut down so their shutdown has nothing to do with the economic shutdown order in general." That is incorrect. The shutdown orders closed or reduced numerous related fields, including trucking and mechanical repairs, the "child care issues" for employees at the food plants (making it impossible for them to work), the closure of schools by way of the shutdown orders (creating the "child care" issue addressed above), and thereby played a role in the food processing plants shutting down, despite the fact that the virus is not spread through food.

 

[Troglodyte]

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...meat-shortages-coronavirus-plants/2988262001/

3,000 out of 1.3 million = 0.2% of the workforce.

Fatalities 30 out of 1.3 million = 0.0002% of the workforce.

So why are these plants shutting down? The worry that the virus will spread via infected food? NO.



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ages-processing-plants-close-due-coronavirus/



https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...meat-shortages-coronavirus-plants/2988262001/

The plants are being shut down because of health issues requiring cleaning of the facility (in small part) but more because the economic shutdown order includes hay and grain delivery, veterinary visits, food for the livestock, delivery drivers transporting the cattle to and from the plant, car mechanics working on the employee vehicles, and schools and child care facilities that would look after kids and allow the employees to work.



https://finance.yahoo.com/news/meat-processing-closings-protect-humans-202754673.html

So you style this as, "The governor did not order the meat processing locations to shut down so their shutdown has nothing to do with the economic shutdown order in general." That is incorrect. The shutdown orders closed or reduced numerous related fields, including trucking and mechanical repairs, the "child care issues" for employees at the food plants (making it impossible for them to work), the closure of schools by way of the shutdown orders (creating the "child care" issue addressed above), and thereby played a role in the food processing plants shutting down, despite the fact that the virus is not spread through food.

They shutdown because of COVID-19 outbreaks at the plants.

 

[Superman]

They shutdown because of COVID-19 outbreaks at the plants.

holy ****. you're like an infant.

let's try crossing the street...
and what happened after that?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Answer the question.

Let's see....

The economic shut down led to.....

Restaurants being closed.
People being forced to work from home, locked in their homes.
People hoarding and stockpiling food.

Demand for meat has changed, substantially: "Meat sales have jumped by 30% over the past month at B&R Stores, a Midwestern grocery chain, as suppliers are filling only about 75% of meat orders, company president Mark Griffin told the WSJ."

Since everyone is sequestered, the demand for meat has gone up, as has food in general. DIRECT result of the shut down.

Being sequestered at home led to a massive rush on our food supply chain. I work with some of the largest Grocers on the planet and I work with supply chain people. They cannot sweat their assets enough to supply enough products and their supplies are not increasing, they are dwindling. The economic shut down led to a DIRECT impact on food consumption.

Derrell Peel, livestock marketing specialist for Oklahoma State University, told Talk Business & Politics grocery store meat cases are bare because retailers typically order their boxed beef products weeks in advance of delivery. He said when the supply in stores was picked clean, that left a gap that could not be immediately filled.

The shut down also changed packaging requirements, DIRECTLY. "With restaurants closed, distributors are struggling to retool their product from bulk supply for restaurants and industrial-scale operations to smaller, consumer-focused packaging as Americans cook from home."

Now the meat and food suppliers have to re-tool their machinery to re-package family size portions as massive boxes of food are no longer in demand.

The biggest is that while about half of American expenditures for food used to be at restaurants and other such establishments, now almost all meals are being made in the home kitchen, so a distribution system that was built to supply restaurants with bulk items is struggling to adapt to far smaller packaging for home use.

In addition, while supermarkets and food companies have based their business model in the past on offering a wide variety (grocery stores often have 40,000 items), now most consumers focus on a smaller sliver of products, so supply chains are overwhelmed.

In addition, the shut down led to distancing requirements. In many plants, workers stand almost shoulder to shoulder on production lines. Now factories are having to honor federal rules of distancing. In some cases, they have to cut their crews by a substantial percentage to maintain their 6 foot spacing, thus leading to lower output per day. A DIRECT result of increased regulations dictated by the Government.

There are countless more regulations that have been put onto food and meat production plants due to "safety" that are hampering their production.

These are a few examples. Should we expand?

 

[Steeltime]

They shutdown because of COVID-19 outbreaks at the plants.

No. They. Did. Not.

The plants had 99.8% of the workforce unaffected by the virus.

The virus is not transmitted by food so the fact that 0.2% of the workforce had the virus is essentially irrelevant to food safety.

The plants shut down because the employees could not get to work, could not find day care because the schools closed, and because truckers could not bring the livestock to the plants as they had done previously.

****, I should have explained that in a prior post, something like #4446. My bad for failing to do so.