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The Coronavirus thread

The 61K deaths projected is on pace to be reached before the end of April.

There are two sides of the economic equation, supply and demand. The governors can remove restrictions and supply can resume, but will demand for those products and services resume. If the lifting of the restrictions increases the virus cases and deaths, it will take longer for demand to resume. I, personally, will not be going to a movie theater or a restaurant until 2021, no matter when my Governor lets them open.

Why don't you get this? You and Flog and your ilk??

Fact: There is no ******* economy to return to at this rate. What ******* movie theater or restaurant are you not going to go to when every ******* movie theater and restaurant is gone? Do you think those businesses just ******* sprout up, like weeds on an untended lawn??

Jesus, you clowns are greedily murdering the goose laying the golden egg. Your ideological brethren have been picking at the goose for decades, yanking out some feathers here, picking at a wing there, but now you are throwing the ******* thing into a vat of boiling oil, and then expecting to pull it out and have it to keep producing the golden eggs.

Yeah, that's not how this works.
 
The 61K deaths projected is on pace to be reached before the end of April.

There are two sides of the economic equation, supply and demand. The governors can remove restrictions and supply can resume, but will demand for those products and services resume.
If the lifting of the restrictions increases the virus cases and deaths, it will take longer for demand to resume. I, personally, will not be going to a movie theater or a restaurant until 2021, no matter
when my Governor lets them open.

Yeah, let me explain an economic concept to you. SOME demand is better than NONE.

Stay home if you want. No one is advocating for mandatory dining or theatre going. If you want to let one guy tell you exactly what you can and cannot do for the next year, have at it.
 
Trog … so dumb he defends the indefensible and thinks he is right.



No, you idiot, the data I provided ******* PROVED that every goddamn estimate, projection, screeching alarm was false, at all times, and was blatantly overstated.

Further, very early on highly credible epidemiologists warned that the lockdown simply prolonged the virus, and that herd immunity tends to slow down viruses without a lockdown. The MUCH better approach is to lock down, oh, I don't know, PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE LOCKED DOWN, like those over 65, those with significant pre-existing conditions.

The dire warnings about millions needed hospitalization were bullshit, always were, always will be.

Oh, Ford shut down auto production and made 50,000 ventilators!! Awe-*******-some!!

Except we don't need 50,000 ventilators, do we, and never needed 50,000 ventilators, and Cuomo was blazingly wrong, and Ford is going bankrupt at this rate. But who cares, right?

Seems that you are still earning plenty of grub, Flog. Good for you. Forgive the rest of us not wanting to line up like orphaned urchins, asking for handouts like Oliver Twist.

Every ******* dire, panicked, overwrought warning was wrong. Every. Goddamn. One. Seems like a significant percentage of the population had the virus and the Chinese flu killed at a higher rate than the regular flu, but nowhere NEAR the dire predictions that brought about the lockdown.

And as expected, the doomsayers who wreak havoc with their dire predictions and oversee rampant destruction of businesses and jobs and careers and live savings with prognostications as wrong as 9th century astronomers never apologize, or suggest that perhaps they were ****** in the head for making such dire predictions. Nope, never. Instead, "Oh, thank God we projected 58 bazillion dead and brought the country to its knees, as otherwise think how bad it would have been!!"

More make-believe to defend their disproved and false earlier make-believe. But hey, they're getting paid so it's all good.



You idiot, why are you unable to process more than one thought per eon? As Ben Shapiro likes to say, "Two things can be true at the same time." The actual data now show those two things are:

  • More would have perished without the lockdown, very likely tens of thousands more, but nowhere NEAR the hundreds of thousands projected. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE. The projections were so wrong as to be ludicrous.
  • Second, the lockdown has killed and will kill tens of thousands due to drug overdose, alcohol abuse, depression, poverty and suicide. More than the additional deaths possibly due to a much, much more restricted and intelligent lockdown - like Sweden.

Funny how I brought up Sweden and its much more measured response and the outcome and you pretend like that nation does not exist. Sweden shows the panic-button crowd was wrong? Pfffft, ignore Sweden.

http://www.rfi.fr/en/international/20200416-sweden-passes-temporary-law-to-curb-covid-19

Sweden is now having to look at locking more stuff down because their measures are starting to fail. Higher deaths per million than here and rising.
 
Saw a tweet by Geoorge Takei saying essentially that people who protested and brought their kids with them should be arrested for child endangerment and treated as a criminal.

Yet he supports abortion.....

Oh My!


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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ersial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

Death Rates
As of Sunday, Sweden had reported 1,540 deaths tied to Covid-19, an increase of 29 from Saturday. That’s considerably more than in the rest of Scandinavia, but much less than in Italy, Spain and the U.K., both in absolute and relative terms.

Tegnell isn’t the only high-level official in Sweden to claim the country may be over the worst.

“The trend we have seen in recent days, with a more flat curve -- where we have many new cases, but not a daily increase -- is stabilizing,” Karin Tegmark Wisell, head of the microbiology department at Sweden’s Public Health Authority, said on Friday. “We are seeing the same pattern for patients in intensive care.”
 
Saw a tweet by Geoorge Takei saying essentially that people who protested and brought their kids with them should be arrested for child endangerment and treated as a criminal.

Yet he supports abortion.....

So aside from abortion, exposing children to a virus that severely affects them only in the rarest of cases is child endangerment. But yanking them from their educational and food sources and exposing them to higher rates of alcoholism, domestic violence child abuse and drug abuse, away from any teachers, counselors, paraprofessionals and mandated reporters, is a-ok.
 
May crude oil is now -$11.00. Does that mean they will pay us to fill the tank?

Those who make a living delivering processed crude, e.g. gasoline and diesel, should DEFINITELY have to pay the rest of us. We accept either cash or Macallan 72.
 
The 61K deaths projected is on pace to be reached before the end of April.

There are two sides of the economic equation, supply and demand. The governors can remove restrictions and supply can resume, but will demand for those products and services resume.
If the lifting of the restrictions increases the virus cases and deaths, it will take longer for demand to resume. I, personally, will not be going to a movie theater or a restaurant until 2021, no matter
when my Governor lets them open.

until you realize:

1. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...birx-warn-jump-deaths-coming-week/2949219001/
Data show that several hundred people per day could die in New York alone in the next six or seven days, said Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus task force. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo estimated as many as 700 a day when the peak hits, she said.

Speaking of New York, Detroit and Louisiana, Birx said, “They are predicting in those three hotspots, all of them hitting together in the next six to seven days."

“It’s going to be a very deadly period, unfortunately,” President Donald Trump said at a White House news conference.

Birx said places like Pennsylvania, Colorado and Washington, D.C., also are a concern because they are "starting to go on that upside" of the coronavirus mortality curve.

“This is the moment to not be going to the grocery store, not going to the pharmacy, but doing everything you can to keep your family and your friends safe,” she said.

and 2:

https://100percentfedup.com/inaccur...e-panic-in-local-officials-pushing-lockdowns/

Dr. Birx: Yes, you know the estimate in Wuhan was originally. It was over three percent. When they (Chinese) looked outside of Wuhan it was 0.7%. In South Korea it was 0.7 to 0.8%. That’s like a tyranny of averages. That’s probably missing 50-60% of the data because no one was testing asymptomatics. Remember in every country you had to be symptomatic to get a test. So we’re making case fatality rates when we’re missing a significant part of the data.

but you'll never realize that since you don't get internet access where your head is buried
 
So aside from abortion, exposing children to a virus that severely affects them only in the rarest of cases is child endangerment. But yanking them from their educational and food sources and exposing them to higher rates of alcoholism, domestic violence child abuse and drug abuse, away from any teachers, counselors, paraprofessionals and mandated reporters, is a-ok.

How dare you use logic....
 
I don't see anyone saying some mitigation was completely unnecessary. Only that it was overkill and that it needn't and can't be dragged out much longer.

At what point, in terms of new cases, did mitigation make sense? How do those numbers compare to the current new cases?

Once there are very few and declining new cases over a couple consecutive weeks, opening up the economy will make sense. We’re simply not there yet.
 
Now let me ask something else.You're 85 in a nursing home (so obviously you already have some health issues or you wouldn't be there). You have a choice...you can live indefinitely without seeing anyone you love and most likely die alone within a year or two of something else without having been able to spend a moment with your family, or you can take a 20% or so chance of getting coronavirus and dying, but you'll be allowed to get occasional visits from your family (albeit you all might have to wear masks and sit 6 feet apart).

Which do you choose?

How many of our elderly are sitting there right now alone with their will to live slipping away from them because they aren't allowed any visitors? And that's better?

In my GF's nursing home it killed about 10% of the residents so far. About 30% of the staff was out at one point either with it or under quarantine which means the other residents were not receiving proper care due do staffing shortages. So it is just not risking your loved one it is staff members / their families / other residents etc etc....Luckily in my home we have not had any cases, but we are doing things like face time with families, music over the pa system, we are having a parade on sunday where families can stay in their car and we will walk the residents around. Of course it is still tough on them, but I think it beats the alternative at this point. Not sure where you got your nursing home numbers, but I work at a long term care facility and several residents have been there for many years. We have had several leave (go home or other facilities or what not), but very few have died in less than 8 months.
 
Once there are very few and declining new cases over a couple consecutive weeks, opening up the economy will make sense. We’re simply not there yet.
I assume you mean around the end of 2021 as the Gov. of N.J. said in an interview.

And the good news, Trog, is that by that point there won't be any need to open up anything. There will be no economy in New Jersey by the end of 2021.
 
Thank God Sweden implemented the lockdown, or it would have fared much worse than the UK.

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Wait ...
 
This extended shut down **** is awful. I'm listening to people cry as my wife calls them to terminate them. She has a list of 12 she has been instructed to do. That's just to keep her own job. Says she may have to work 80 hours or they will find someone who will. They couldn't even get a loan from the bank. That government money was gone day one. Allotted to restaurants and such. Meanwhile Pelosi eats ice cream and finger bangs her rotting crotch. You can pretty much stamp this on many small businesses around the country who are getting their throats slit. Pretty sad **** all around.

Yeah keep it all closed up another month or two. ******* brilliant.
 
I assume you mean around the end of 2021 as the Gov. of N.J. said in an interview.

And the good news, Trog, is that by that point there won't be any need to open up anything. There will be no economy in New Jersey by the end of 2021.

They may have to pump their own ******* gas and bag of their own leaves then.
 
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