The Coronavirus thread

[CharlesDavenport]

Now the media is stressing hard about Trump rallies starting back up, so there will be a heavy focus on the despicable Trump crowd and lack of social distancing and masks. Look for calls to mayors and governors to clamp down on Trump rallies. Will get interesting, depending on where he rallies.

 

[SojournerSteel]

I thought the same thing until I recently re-watched the movie 2011 movie Contagion and it was like reverse deja vu, except that the virus in Contagion was much more dangerous - VERY similar statistics to the intial Fauci predictions. Talked about social distancing and a government expert spurned alternate therapy of fosythia. This social distancing response has been in the chamber for a while.

Predictive programming. In addition, Outbreak premiered on 3/10/95 -- 25 years to the day that Cuomo sent the NG into New Rochelle and started the quarantine measures in NYC. I'd say they've long envisioned this tar baby.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Now the media is stressing hard about Trump rallies starting back up, so there will be a heavy focus on the despicable Trump crowd and lack of social distancing and masks. Look for calls to mayors and governors to clamp down on Trump rallies. Will get interesting, depending on where he rallies.

In keeping with Orwell, all animals are equal of course.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Wow, your comment seems to project some disdain for those who don't want the government invading their privacy or gaining any more Big Brother precedents and footholds than has already been ceded in the name of "crisis" -- a false one at that.

"Contact tracing" and "Social Distancing" are simply new Orwellian terms entered into the national lexicon from Covid-1984. Just what we need, a bunch of contact tracers emboldened with Medical Administrative State power and authority over our lives.

I think society would be better off in the long run just letting Covid-19 run its course, instead of upending society as we have known it and the economy in the name of Covid-1984.

Maybe I'm way off base here, but all of this sounds pretty un-American to me. For this virus at least.

Yeah, there is some disdain for adults proudly proclaiming that they won't wear a mask because it infringes on their personal freedom and mocking those who do. I'm not that paranoid about contact tracing. I use the internet and social media, I know my information is out there and used in a variety of ways. Hasn't impact my daily life in the least bit. Maybe my impression is wrong, but the countries that are getting close to being back to normal are doing what enough people here refuse to do.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Yeah, there is some disdain for adults proudly proclaiming that they won't wear a mask because it infringes on their personal freedom and mocking those who do. I'm not that paranoid about contact tracing. I use the internet and social media, I know my information is out there and used in a variety of ways. Hasn't impact my daily life in the least bit. Maybe my impression is wrong, but the countries that are getting close to being back to normal are doing what enough people here refuse to do.

Were you equally disdainful of people who did wear masks when that was a bad thing according to the experts?

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Yeah, there is some disdain for adults proudly proclaiming that they won't wear a mask because it infringes on their personal freedom and mocking those who do. I'm not that paranoid about contact tracing. I use the internet and social media, I know my information is out there and used in a variety of ways. Hasn't impact my daily life in the least bit. Maybe my impression is wrong, but the countries that are getting close to being back to normal are doing what enough people here refuse to do.

contract tracers would have had the authority to pull people from their homes and put them in quarantines.

as for the masks. This is the same government that was telling us masks don’t work for months, then they made them mandatory.

Are you OK with masks being mandatory forever?

 

[deljzc]

I think there is no doubt the worst public policy around this pandemic is the way we sent some Covid patients back into assisted living facilities.

Yes, we likely shut down too much, but it's easy to Monday morning QB that whole situation. But some of the decisions when it comes to old folks homes are just downright criminal and certainly malpractice.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Yeah, there is some disdain for adults proudly proclaiming that they won't wear a mask because it infringes on their personal freedom and mocking those who do. I'm not that paranoid about contact tracing. I use the internet and social media, I know my information is out there and used in a variety of ways. Hasn't impact my daily life in the least bit. Maybe my impression is wrong, but the countries that are getting close to being back to normal are doing what enough people here refuse to do.

We could have been back to normal 1-2 months ago. We never really had to depart from normal sans common sense. This was hysteria because of the unknown.
Look no further than continued TP shortages. It has nothing to do with people not wearing masks or wearing them or contact tracers or no contact tracers. This is a psychological operation by the powers that be. Your statements belie that you have given this bogeyman more power than it deserves at the expense of the unalienable.

The fact that the media say little to nothing about the spread of Covid-1984 among the massive protests is all one needs to know.

 

[SojournerSteel]

I think there is no doubt the worst public policy around this pandemic is the way we sent some Covid patients back into assisted living facilities.

Yes, we likely shut down too much, but it's easy to Monday morning QB that whole situation. But some of the decisions when it comes to old folks homes are just downright criminal and certainly malpractice.

But doesn't it fit completely with their world view? Clean out the government rolls and depopulate older, traditionally more conservative Americans.

Sarah Palin was laughed to scorn over death panels. Cuomo was a one-man Death Panel in NY when it comes to his most vulnerable constituency outside of the unborn and we already know their worldview on that topic.

I don't think we can chalk this up to mere incompetency.

 

[IndySteel]

Heh heh...


r/trump
•Posted byu/American_Greatness
VA
2 hours ago
Donald J. Trump: "The Far Left Fake News Media, which had no Covid problem with the Rioters & Looters destroying Democrat run cities, is trying to Covid Shame us on our big Rallies. Won’t work!"
twitter.com/RealDo...
DONALD TRUMP

 

[Steelr4evr]

Heh heh...


r/trump
•Posted byu/American_Greatness
VA
2 hours ago
Donald J. Trump: "The Far Left Fake News Media, which had no Covid problem with the Rioters & Looters destroying Democrat run cities, is trying to Covid Shame us on our big Rallies. Won’t work!"
twitter.com/RealDo...
DONALD TRUMP

Exactly. Rioters, looters and protestors..a ok. No worry at all. Republican convention,rallies and such... selfish, killing people..bla blah.


The sum of the demoncrats...Good is evil and evil is good.

That gets proven over and over again.

 

[Steeltime]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

― George Orwell, 1984

 

[Steelr4evr]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

― George Orwell, 1984

Burn those books,execute dissenters and those with knowledge of the past. Find a group you dislike and blame all of societies problems on them. Maybe some special camps that read on the gate"Work Sets You Free" as you enter for the remainder of your life.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Snap. Right on que. cnn is reporting how we are due for a 2nd covid shut down and how much worse it will be. Buckle up.



Time to get your bubble wrap and duck tape your self. Let’s. Goooo

 

[ZonaBurgh]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

― George Orwell, 1984

Interesting how many of Orwell's quotes are closer to the truth than not.

 

[Hypocycloids]

<header class="post-header">[h=1]Facts about Covid-19[/h]</header>

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Fully referenced facts about Covid-19, provided by experts in the field, to help our readers make a realistic risk assessment. (Regular updates below)​

“The only means to fight the plague is honesty.” (Albert Camus, 1947)​

[h=4]Overview[/h]

1. According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).
2. Even in global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general population of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.
3. Up to 80% of all test-positive persons remain symptom-free. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% remain symptom-free. Over 95% of all persons develop at most moderate symptoms.
4. Up to 60% of all persons may already have a certain cellular background immunity to Covid19 due to contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. common cold viruses).
5. The median or average age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.
6. In many countries, up to two thirds of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid19 or from weeks of extreme stress and isolation.
7. Up to 30% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 60% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital.
8. Even in so-called “Covid19 deaths” it is often not clear whether they died from or with coronavirus (i.e. from underlying diseases) or if they were counted as “presumed cases” and not tested at all. However, official figures usually do not reflect this distinction.
9. Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 turned out to be false: many of these young people either did not die from Covid19, they had already been seriously ill (e.g. from undiagnosed leukaemia), or they were in fact 109 instead of 9 years old. The claimed increase in Kawasaki disease in children also turned out to be false.
10. The normal overall mortality per day is about 8000 people in the US, about 2600 in Germany and about 1800 in Italy. Influenza mortality per season is up to 80,000 in the US and up to 25,000 in Germany and Italy. In several countries Covid19 deaths remained below strong flu seasons.
11. Regional increases in mortality can occur if there is a collapse in the care of the elderly and sick as a result of infection or panic, or if there are additional risk factors such as severe air pollution. Special regulations for dealing with the deceased sometimes led to additional bottlenecks in funeral or cremation services.
12. In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent the UK and the US, hospital overloads due to strong flu waves are not unusual. In addition, up to 15% of doctors and health workers are now being put into quarantine, even if they develop no symptoms.
13. The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, as the number of tests also increased exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to tests overall (i.e. the positive rate) remained constant at 5% to 25% or increased only slightly. In many countries, the peak of the spread was already reached well before the lockdown.
14. Countries without curfews and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea or Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. Sweden was even praised by the WHO and now benefits from higher immunity compared to lockdown countries.
15. The fear of a shortage of ventilators was unjustified. According to lung specialists, the invasive ventilation (intubation) of Covid19 patients, which is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus, is in fact often counterproductive and damaging to the lungs.
16. Contrary to original assumptions, various studies have shown that there is no evidence of the virus spreading through aerosols (i.e. tiny particles floating in the air) or through smear infections (e.g. on door handles or smartphones). The main modes of transmission are direct contact and droplets produced when coughing or sneezing.
17. There is also no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in healthy or asymptomatic individuals. On the contrary, experts warn that such masks interfere with normal breathing and may become “germ carriers”. Leading doctors called them a “media hype” and “ridiculous”.
18. Many clinics in Europe and the US remained strongly underutilized or almost empty during the Covid19 peak and in some cases had to send staff home. Numerous operations and therapies were cancelled, including many cancer screenings and organ transplants.
19. Several media were caught trying to dramatize the situation in hospitals, sometimes even with manipulative images and videos. In general, the unprofessional reporting of many media maximized fear and panic in the population.
20. The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors and can produce false positive and false negative results. Moreover, the official virus test was not clinically validated due to time pressure and may sometimes react positive to other coronaviruses.
21. Numerous internationally renowned experts in the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend rapid natural immunisation of the general population and protection of risk groups.
22. At no time was there a medical reason for the closure of schools, as children hardly ever transmit the virus or fall ill with it themselves. There is also no medical reason for small classes, masks or ‘social distancing’ rules in schools.
23. The claim that only severe Covid-19 but not influenza may cause venous thrombosis and pulmonary (lung) embolism is not true, as it has been known for 50 years that severe influenza greatly increases the risk of thrombosis and embolism, too.
24. Several medical experts described vaccines against coronaviruses as unnecessary or even dangerous. Indeed, the vaccine against the so-called swine flu of 2009, for example, led to sometimes severe neurological damage and lawsuits in the millions.
25. The number of people suffering from unemployment, depressions and domestic violence as a result of the measures has reached historic record values. Several experts predict that the measures will claim more lives than the virus itself. According to the UN millions of people around the world may fall into absolute poverty and famine.
26. NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the “corona crisis” will be used for the massive and permanent expansion of global surveillance. The renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures”. Leading British virologist professor John Oxford spoke of a “media epidemic”.
27. More than 500 scientists have warned of an “unprecedented surveillance of society” through problematic apps for “contact tracing”. In some countries, such “contact tracing” is already carried out directly by the secret service. In several parts of the world, the population is already being monitored by drones and facing serious police overreach.
28. A 2019 WHO study on public health measures against pandemic influenza found that from a medical perspective, “contact tracing” is “not recommended in any circumstances”.

Can you provide the link?

 

[SteelerFan448]

Were you equally disdainful of people who did wear masks when that was a bad thing according to the experts?

You mean when it was clear that the U.S. didn't want people buying up masks so medical personnel would have enough to safely do their jobs? Yes, I was critical of the obvious misguidance of the "experts" spreading information rather than just being honest about it as well as the WHO for being seemingly clueless through this entire thing.

contract tracers would have had the authority to pull people from their homes and put them in quarantines.

as for the masks. This is the same government that was telling us masks don’t work for months, then they made them mandatory.

Are you OK with masks being mandatory forever?

Lol, tape. Did you read that one on Facebook?

 

[CharlesDavenport]

You mean when it was clear that the U.S. didn't want people buying up masks so medical personnel would have enough to safely do their jobs? Yes, I was critical of the obvious misguidance of the "experts" spreading information rather than just being honest about it as well as the WHO for being seemingly clueless through this entire thing.

No, you answered a different question. The question was - Were you as disdainful of people wearing masks when the "experts" said not to as you are now towards people who don't when the "experts" say we should? Should be easy to check your posts if I cared that much. But it's worth a question to see if you'll answer, and you still haven't.

 

[hamster]

Can you provide the link?

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

 

[Booted]

Can you provide the link?

 

[xjx]

Lincoln Hayes.

 

[SojournerSteel]

This one never gets old, and would do wonders for race relations and making sure nobody burns down national treasures like the local KFC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNYmP8YCu40

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

You mean when it was clear that the U.S. didn't want people buying up masks so medical personnel would have enough to safely do their jobs? Yes, I was critical of the obvious misguidance of the "experts" spreading information rather than just being honest about it as well as the WHO for being seemingly clueless through this entire thing.



Lol, tape. Did you read that one on Facebook?

no Facebook. Straight from the source. Dr in charge in CA.

the key quote

“If they live in a home where there’s only one bathroom and there are three or four other people living there … WE ARE NOT going to be able to KEEP THAT PERSON IN THE HOME … So WE’LL BE MOVING PEOPLE LIKE THIS to OTHER KINDS OF HOUSING.”

 

[Steelr4evr]

Well we're about halfway through this horrific 2020 year. Think I'll do Thanksgiving right now. I'm most thankful to live in a state that doesn't have some leftwing bat running it and the mayor isn't one either. I'm thankful we're not disbanding the local police and I'm also thankful rioters and looters didn't burn the place down. Which wouldn't be allowed to happen here in the first place.

It can only get better.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Well we're about halfway through this horrific 2020 year. Think I'll do Thanksgiving right now. I'm most thankful to live in a state that doesn't have some leftwing bat running it and the mayor isn't one either. I'm thankful we're not disbanding the local police and I'm also thankful rioters and looters didn't burn the place down. Which wouldn't be allowed to happen here in the first place.

It can only get better.

I don't think it paranoia to say the sovereign United States are under attack by foreign and domestic enemies. 2020 to date hasn't just been some bad breaks like turnovers in a football game.