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The Coronavirus thread

But whatever Trump is perfect, Trump knows all about everything. Trump never makes a mistake. All hail dear leader Trump. Im sure when he gets re-elected by winning every state he will wish away COVID and it will disappear.

You sound like a butt-hurt little snowflake here. I don't think a single person here has ever made the claim Trump is perfect or doesn't make mistakes. He's listened to the experts just about every step of the way, but you've already made up your mind it sounds like:

Orange. Man. Bad.
 
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The opposite of what a leader should be.

A leader like you? A millionaire portfolio holder who can't shell out a few bucks a year to support this site you so often frequent?
 
Real leaders don't withhold incredible investing advice like that.
 
Again Trump shifted plants to make ventilators and could have done so for other plants to make gowns, masks, etc etc.

But he did do that. Like imploring commercial companies to join Warp Speed and rapidly develop and deploy testing, he asked for help from commercial companies, many that volunteered or heeded the call to help. And I have posted specifically TO you to show you this evidence previously about all of the shifting of productions companies did under his leadership to produce more PPE.

I'll do it again. ONE page of search results. Dive deeper if you care.

https://www.wpri.com/news/washingto...-to-making-ppe-for-frontline-medical-workers/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/p...fts-ppe-production-to-los-angeles/ar-BB19XnNE
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/h...rkers/95-f87892f3-0600-407b-97c3-c3114caeecdd
https://www.pymnts.com/news/b2b-payments/2020/ppe-manufacturing-supply-chain-shortages/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXdkQ3jvyqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBQY3EkzRfw
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...nt-production-want-faster-approvals-1.4892009
https://www.wbrc.com/2020/04/09/alabama-businesses-shifting-production-help-with-ppe-shortage/
https://smallbiztrends.com/2020/03/small-businesses-making-ppe.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-us-factories-can-pivot-to-make-ppe-2020-4?op=1
https://www.foxnews.com/us/pennsylv...ppe-coronavirus-personal-protective-equipment
https://fashionista.com/2020/03/fas...ronavirus-covid19-manufacturing-products-help

Not sure why it's so hard for you to digest this.

Facts/Liberals...
 
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Every time Trump doesn't wear a mask, he isn't listening to the experts, every time he holds a rally he isn't listening to the experts, every time he suggests something is a cure he isn't listening to the experts.
Trump is a walking talking bad example in regard to the virus. The opposite of what a leader should be.

And every time Trump gets elected or nominated for a Nobel Prize, he isn't listening to the experts.

The experts haven't been very adept at getting things done -- but very adept at maintaining status quo and enriching themselves and their own.
 

Because Joe ******* Biden claims he hasn't. Just like he continues to claim "the very fine people" hoax. Just like he continues to claim it's currently Wednesday and he's in the state of Uzbekistan, running for the Senate of the fine people there.
 
Every time Trump doesn't wear a mask, he isn't listening to the experts, every time he holds a rally he isn't listening to the experts, every time he suggests something is a cure he isn't listening to the experts.
Trump is a walking talking bad example in regard to the virus. The opposite of what a leader should be.

Trump does wear a mask when he’s in a close group. But does not wear one when he’s up at a podium by himself.

As for rallies. The experts do say rallies are OK if you call them protests. That’s why Trump does call each rally a "protest". He is pointing out the absurd politicization of Covid. How are we supposed to take the so called experts seriously when they have been wrong and when they have routinely contradicted themselves.

There is no more glaring example than the fact that experts said going to church is dangerous and forbidden but going to a BLM protest is fine. Go ahead. Defend that position from a medical standpoint. I’ll wait.

You know damn well that if Trump had ordered lockdowns, then they would call him a fascist and blue states would be open for business with their governors screaming that Trump doesn’t have the authority to order them around. You know, exactly like they did when Trump offered federal help for riots. You had leaders in Minn an Portland and Seattle and Philly saying that they would actually arrest any federal troops they saw and that Trump had better stay out of it.
 
Every time Trump doesn't wear a mask, he isn't listening to the experts, every time he holds a rally he isn't listening to the experts, every time he suggests something is a cure he isn't listening to the experts.

Every time you post, the board's quality suffers.
 
Whenever I challenge a Liberal to give me an example of where Trump didn't "listen to the experts", they've got nothing. Although at this point it's apparent that "the experts" don't know any more than anybody else.

OK, Trump just stated that he didn’t listen to Fauci.

Rex Tillerson’s ******* Moron who needed to be airlifted to a hospital, an experimental treatment, steroids and oxygen to overcome Covid, called Fauci an idiot. LOL! Can’t make this stuff up!
 
OK, Trump just stated that he didn’t listen to Fauci.

Rex Tillerson’s ******* Moron who needed to be airlifted to a hospital, an experimental treatment, steroids and oxygen to overcome Covid, called Fauci an idiot. LOL! Can’t make this stuff up!

Are you canceling Thanksgiving gathering? Fauci The Omnipotent One said to do so.
 
I'm a bit fed up with these lines. Why? Why is the Government responsible?

Don't get me wrong, the Federal stockpile should have been full. It wasn't. Thank you Obama.

Does the government supply hospitals with sheets? Insulin? IVs? Beds? Janitorial mops? Surgical gowns?

Are healthcare systems not responsible for sourcing their supplies? I believe they are.

If those supplies are in short supply, and we've outsourced all of our manufacturing to overseas companies...a problem DT has been trying to fix...could we/should we not point a finger at prior administrations that pushed our manufacturing overseas?

Why is the shortage of PPE DT's fault?

What made PPE the Government's responsibility but the rest of the hospitals' supplies are their responsibility?

We never ran out of PPE
 
Woah!!!! Wait. ****. Damnit. The COVID lockdown worshippers aren't gonna like this one little bit.

https://kaleistyleguide.com/news/20...st-lockdown-world-still-ended-worst-fatality/

Peru has the toughest lockdown in the world and still ended up with the worst fatality rate
We would rather demand crackdowns than accept that we are dealing with something outside our control

No country has been harder hit by Covid than my native Peru. Officially, the virus has claimed 33,600 lives from a total population of 32 million – the worst fatality rate in the world. But the real figure is far higher. Peru has a rickety public health system, and relied on Chinese antibody tests rather than PCR tests, so many coronavirus casualties went undiagnosed. I spoke to half a dozen Peruvians this week, including a doctor and a government official. All of them thought the true number of Covid deaths was closer to 80,000.

What has turned the ancient seat of Spain’s Viceroyalty into such a global outlier? You might think the answer is obvious, namely that Peru is a poor, sprawling place, with shantytowns, crowded minibuses and teeming markets. But you’d be wrong. Well aware of its situation, Peru decreed what must surely count as the toughest and, relative to infection rates, earliest lockdown on the planet.

On March 16, when there were only 28 confirmed cases, Peru closed its borders and imposed an eye-watering curfew. Men and women were allowed to leave home on alternate days, and only for essential purposes. The restrictions were enforced by the army and, by and large, they were obeyed. Google images showed a massive reduction in the number of people outdoors.

The economic consequences were catastrophic. Even in a wealthy country such as Britain, closures hit folk with cash-in-hand jobs much harder than people who can work from home. In Peru, where around two thirds of the economy is informal, things ground to a halt. Yet it did not slow the virus. Peru’s excess deaths – the number of people who have died in 2020 as against what would normally be expected – are the highest in the world.

Yes, Peru’s healthcare system is poor, but no more so than those in many Latin American countries, let alone most of Africa, where the virus has not been nearly so lethal. Peruvians themselves, naturally, blame their government. Human beings will generally judge a policy less by its intrinsic merits than by whether they like the person proposing it. Thus, in Britain, where there is a Conservative government, Leftists argue that we should have locked down earlier. In Spain, where there is a socialist government, it is the other way around, and Rightists have convinced themselves that the epidemic was far worse because big events to mark International Women’s Day on March 8 were allowed to go ahead.

In both cases, we are giving in to bogus anthropocentrism, imagining that there must somehow be a human hand in big events. Our ancestors blamed plagues on witches or religious minorities. We blame them on politicians.

What is actually going on in Peru? Yes, it has a poor water supply, crowded slums and the rest, but no more so than many countries that have come through with few deaths. Vietnam, for example, faces many of the same challenges, yet it has suffered only 35 fatalities from a population of 96 million.

Perhaps there are differing levels of pre-existing immunity, or at least of resistance. Peru’s worst outbreak was in Iquitos, the largest settlement in the world that cannot be reached by road or rail. To get a sense of quite how remote that jungle city is, you have to imagine a map of South America, with Peru on the left and the vast expanse of Brazil to its east. Although Iquitos is 600 miles from Lima as the crow flies, the only way to get there, before air travel, was to paddle nearly 2000 miles down the Amazon to Brazil’s Atlantic coast, and then sail all the way back round to the Pacific. I can remember, as a boy, when elderly Iquiteños spoke English with a Scouse accent, because Liverpool had been a more accessible city than Lima to complete their studies.

Could that extraordinary isolation have made local people more susceptible? The Brazilian city of Manaus, further down the Amazon, was also peculiarly badly hit. Maybe the peoples or those remote towns had had less exposure to previous coronaviruses – just as the Vietnamese, after SARS, had had more. Or perhaps, as Hitoshi Oshitani from Japan’s National COVID-19 Cluster Taskforce says, there is a dollop of luck involved, in the sense that the coronavirus is overdispersed, meaning that a small number of superspreaders are responsible for most cases.

We don’t know for sure. But, looking at Peru, with the harshest restrictions in the world and the worst outcome, it seems clear that lockdowns are not the key factor. Sadly, though, the desire to attribute human agency, to find someone to blame, is embedded deep in our DNA. We would rather demand crackdowns than accept that we are dealing with something outside our control. And, alas, we keep getting our wish.
 

Sure all this sounds great, but its not reaching where it is supposed to go. If health care used PPE as we normally would everyone would be out. N95s have been hit and miss, but we were able to stockpile a good many of those, right now they are hard to get again. Basic isolation gowns are on an allotment which alone would no where cover our usage. We have light weight plastic blue gowns which we are lucky to get 100 / week. Early on we got a huge shipment of like 15k heavyweight blue "gowns", but they are like a huge garbage bag and we have been digging into those. On our one COVID hall we are supposed to change gowns in / out each room. I have to play housekeeper because I am down staff. Just myself I would burn through 20 gowns. Tray passes would be 120 gowns (3 meals pass and pickup). The hall nurse's do 5 med passes there goes another 100 gowns. That is not even taking into account routine CNA care. Then you have residents who need water, they need pulled up etc etc.....You looking at least 300 gowns on just one hall daily.
 
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You're right Jitter, its all Trumps fault.

ICS and his folks just got really lucky they know how to handle their business.
You do not have that ability, and that must be the fault of POTUS

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You're right Jitter, its all Trumps fault.

ICS and his folks just got really lucky they know how to handle their business.
You do not have that ability, and that must be the fault of POTUS

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Huh, first ICS never said how they were using the PPE (how long are they re-using masks / gowns) etc etc.....2nd once you have COVID in the building protocols change and you obviously burn through more stuff. 3rd we have never been out of PPE, and 4th just because a certain groups of homes has more supply does not mean every home gets it. I am sure some of the allotment goes to how big of a customer you are and has 0 to due with mismanagement. If XYZ company owns 50 homes and spends a mil / yr on supplies obviously companies will cater to them first. Joe Smith owns 1-2 homes he will be out of luck. If the medical companies say your company can get xx supplies per week/month thats it. If you do not have a contract with someone most are not allowing orders or taking new customers because why? Hint: they dont have enough product. Lets put this in perspective. If my home which has about 66 total resident rooms used PPE as intended you are looking at close to 1k gowns per day. Some homes are massive and would be using 5 - 6x that amount. It is impossible to keep up with that demand. Anyone that tells you otherwise is either lying or companies are supplying only to them and screw everyone else. Trump knew the stock pile was depleted and had 3 yrs to restock it and didnt care or chose not to. Just because the guy before you left a mess does not mean you can continue to blame him. At some point you have to own it. If life safety came to my place and the previous maint. director left me a broken generator and I did not get it fixed guess who takes the hit? Trump never takes responsibility for anything negative and blames whoever is convenient at the time
 
Trump never takes responsibility for anything negative and blames whoever is convenient at the time

Huh, was just thinking about somebody else who's been displaying those tendencies. Joe Biden, of course! He's sure getting angry that anyone dare question the nefarious dealings of his son and is blaming those asking the questions of just being unfair partisans, or something muddled I can't quite understand.
 
Jizzer’s TDS is metastasizing as we get closer to the election. Flog and 21Tard have shown up recently. It’s full blown panic mode for the Dims. Tibtard will probably make an appearance soon with a meltdown.
 
But you're a conservative, gun-toting, red-blooded Patriot; therefore I'm having a difficult time believing anything you say.

You can believe what you want....I am just done with the nastiness and childish behavior. I have never voted for a dem and won't this year, but i am also not voting for Trump again.
 
Just got an email from school admin yesterday “planting the seed” of isolating during staff lunch time. They are afraid that by the staff eating together that there could be the possibility of infection...thus wiping out an entire department for 2 weeks.

Sorry- lunchtime is the only socializing we get to do since we can’t go into classrooms like we normally could. And if they are so concerned about infection, then they need to eliminate the students sitting in the cafeteria for lunch. This is getting ridiculous.
 
You can believe what you want....I am just done with the nastiness and childish behavior. I have never voted for a dem and won't this year, but i am also not voting for Trump again.

Biden has the cure for covid-19 and he will make it rain PPE up in here. You have to vote Biden
 
I am just done with the nastiness and childish behavior.

I am done with mean words so bring on socialism and corruption of the swamp! Sounds like a fair trade off to me!
 
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