The Coronavirus thread

[Steeltime]

He was one of the most briefed and up to date human beings on the planet, science overload, and he took that knowledge and ignored it, sending countless elderly to their DEATH. Defending his actions makes you a certifiable piece of ****. **** off.

My patience with the other side on the flu is at an end. Cuomo's brother violates quarantine while recovering from the virus, is warned by his property manager about failing to wear a mask on the property, Lightfoot gets her hair done, Kamala continues to give blowjobs, Newsom has a nice dinner out with a bunch of friends and no masks, Whitmer's hubby visits the summer place in violation of quarantine, and on and on and on and on.

They have a bottomless bucket of vitriol for Trump and his supporters, and not a syllable of criticism - not one goddamn word - for China, or Cuomo, or Whitmer, or any of these hypocritical morons who are actually behind the policies killing our nation.

 

[jitter77]

The retirement/nursing facility my wife is leaving(not by choice) had escaped any outbreaks originally. It is now a **** show with 28 positive staff one on a vent an 20 plus residents now positive. My wife is heartbroken to see this.

Yeah that is definitely the theme around here as well. Homes that had little or no outbreaks got hammered. i think 3 homes had the guard come in. Some homes that got hit early are going through round 2 now which really sucks.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Premeditation huh? You mean like this

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/26/andrew-cuomo-nursing-home-execs-immunity

Cuomo signed legislation last month quietly shielding hospital and nursing home executives from the threat of lawsuits stemming from the coronavirus outbreak. The provision, inserted into an annual budget bill by Cuomo’s aides, created one of the nation’s most explicit immunity protections for healthcare industry officials, according to legal experts.

Sounds to me like he knew he was sending people to their deaths and preemptively protected his donors from getting sued.

 

[Confluence]

So Fauci is finally saying what Dr Scott Atlas has been saying since June........kids need to be back in school. What a fraud.

Here is an interesting thing that happened in my day. I find Scott Atlas's Stanford email, and I send him one , thanking him for his service and courage, and wishing him the best, not expecting anything to happen.

A few minutes later, I get an email back from him, thanking me for my support. Pretty special.

Holy crap! Are you a russian hacker?

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[ZonaBurgh]

Lester Dolt on the NBC Evening Opinion was in fine Chinese flu fear mongering mode this evening, spouting off that there is one death per minute occurring as he spoke.
He went on to explain that would be 30 deaths from the plague during his broadcast alone, the horror!

Um, Lester......cardiovascular disease claims someone every 36 seconds in this country........well maybe not this year, because you know, the killer virus, n'at.

In any other year Lester, about 5.5 Americans die each and every minute, but keep pushing the agenda. It's a virus, we will gain control of it, take precautions, wash your damn hands, but for the love of GOD stop acting like this is the end of the world.

 

[Troglodyte]

Murder requires "malice."

Yes. Malice requires intent to do harm. Your argument is that Cuomo intended to harm medically stable Covid patients by requiring nursing homes to accept them. Nursing homes are not gallows, they’re not gas chambers. They provide food, shelter and professional medical care. Nobody in their right mind thinks that Cuomo committed murder.

 

[Steeltime]

Yes. Malice requires intent to do harm. Your argument is that Cuomo intended to harm medically stable Covid patients by requiring nursing homes to accept them. Nursing homes are not gallows, they’re not gas chambers. They provide food, shelter and professional medical care. Nobody in their right mind thinks that Cuomo committed murder.

I.
GAVE.
YOU.
THE.
*******.
DEFINITION.
OF.
MALICE.

Idiot. You are too stupid to realize how dumb you are. I am going to tell you, for the third time, that you are confusing "direct intent," i.e., the specific goal of bringing about the death (which is first degree murder), from "indirect intent," which is the intention to engage in the inherently dangerous activity but without necessarily wanting to bring about the resulting harm (second degree murder).

Just stop. Jesus Christ, did you attend law school? Take the bar exam? Pass the bar exam? Study these very issues, and then cite specific references in this thread showing why your reasoning is accurate?

The only support you cite is Flog's opinion. Your opinion on giving blowjobs has merit; your opinion on the law is worthless.

 

[Superman]

Lester Dolt on the NBC Evening Opinion was in fine Chinese flu fear mongering mode this evening, spouting off that there is one death per minute occurring as he spoke.
He went on to explain that would be 30 deaths from the plague during his broadcast alone, the horror!

Um, Lester......cardiovascular disease claims someone every 36 seconds in this country........well maybe not this year, because you know, the killer virus, n'at.

In any other year Lester, about 5.5 Americans die each and every minute, but keep pushing the agenda. It's a virus, we will gain control of it, take precautions, wash your damn hands, but for the love of GOD stop acting like this is the end of the world.

easy fix
make him stop speaking. save lives.

 

[Steeltime]

For the one moron in this thread unable to read:

Malice aforethought defined (California Jury Instruction, CALCRIM No. 520):

There are two kinds of malice aforethought, express malice and implied malice. Proof of either is sufficient to establish the state of mind required for murder.

The defendant had express malice if he unlawfully intended to kill.
The defendant had implied malice if: 1. He intentionally committed the act; [check for Governor Andy]
2. The natural and probable consequences of the act were dangerous to human life; [check for Governor Andy]
3. At the time he acted, he knew his act was dangerous to human life; [check for Governor Andy]
AND
4. He deliberately acted with conscious disregard for human life [checkmate for Governor Andy].

https://www.justia.com/criminal/docs/calcrim/500/520/

What I cite is called a jury instruction, which are read to the jury to help them understand what they are deciding based on California law. California's law on murder and manslaughter are basically identical to most other jurisdictions.

 

[Superman]

Yes. Malice requires intent to do harm. Your argument is that Cuomo intended to harm medically stable Covid patients by requiring nursing homes to accept them. Nursing homes are not gallows, they’re not gas chambers. They provide food, shelter and professional medical care. Nobody in their right mind thinks that Cuomo committed murder.

Flogtard, were the Covid patients already receiving "food, shelter and professional medical care" in the hospitals?
if they needed to be transferred to open up beds for incoming Rona patients, why send them to be in closer proximity to those MOST vulnerable to the WuhanFlu?

if Tibs were drowning in a lake, and you were on a boat, would you throw him an anchor or a life vest?

 

[Superman]

For the one moron in this thread unable to read:

Malice aforethought defined (California Jury Instruction, CALCRIM No. 520):



https://www.justia.com/criminal/docs/calcrim/500/520/

What I cite is called a jury instruction, which are read to the jury to help them understand what they are deciding based on California law. California's law on murder and manslaughter are basically identical to most other jurisdictions.

this isn't a jury
/Flog

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[Steeltime]

if Tibs were drowning in a lake, and you were on a boat, would you throw him an anchor or a life vest?

Anybody trying to have a legitimate discussion with Floggy would willingly grab the anchor.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Yes. Malice requires intent to do harm. Your argument is that Cuomo intended to harm medically stable Covid patients by requiring nursing homes to accept them. Nursing homes are not gallows, they’re not gas chambers. They provide food, shelter and professional medical care. Nobody in their right mind thinks that Cuomo committed murder.

it’s not about the Covid patients. It’s about the at risk elderly that predictably died of Covid after being exposed to it. Nursing homes are not equipped to handle infectious diseases. Cuomo knew this and that’s why he gave the nursing homes legal protection from all the dead residents that were soon to follow.

But liberals want dead old people. It’s a win win. They get them off the socialized medicine and yet they can still vote.

 

[Superman]

it’s not about the Covid patients. It’s about the at risk elderly that predictably died of Covid after being exposed to it. Nursing homes are not equipped to handle infectious diseases. Cuomo knew this and that’s why he gave the nursing homes legal protection from all the dead residents that were soon to follow.

But liberals want dead old people. It’s a win win. They get them off the socialized medicine and yet they can still vote.

100%

Deaths = more FearPorn
Covid Patients = push the numbers for FearPorn
Old people dying = more people enraged about Rona, and thus more FearPorn

win win win

 

[Troglodyte]

You are too stupid to realize how dumb you are. I am going to tell you, for the third time, that you are confusing "direct intent," i.e., the specific goal of bringing about the death (which is first degree murder), from "indirect intent," which is the intention to engage in the inherently dangerous activity but without necessarily wanting to bring about the resulting harm (second degree murder).

Just stop. Jesus Christ, did you attend law school? Take the bar exam? Pass the bar exam? Study these very issues, and then cite specific references in this thread showing why your reasoning is accurate?

Stupid is considering that sending people to nursing homes is engaging in an INHERENTLY dangerous act. That is exactly what you are arguing.

My specific reference is REALITY. Cuomo will not be charged with murder for the exact reasons I argue.

Here’s an idea for you: Write and submit an op-Ed expressing your belief and reasoning behind why Cuomo should be indicted for murder. I suspect that you won’t because you know that it has no merit.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Stupid is considering that sending people to nursing homes is engaging in an INHERENTLY dangerous act.

What??? Wait a damned minute. You are now arguing that sending COVID+ patients into nursing homes full of the population MOST vulnerable to COVID is NOT inherently dangerous?

If a Governor released child molesters from prison and mandated they be inserted into elementary schools, that's not dangerous?
If a Governor mandated patients with Ebola be inserted into nursing homes, that wouldn't be dangerous?
If a Governor released wife beaters/wife murderers from prison and mandated they be housed in shelters for battered women, that wouldn't be dangerous?

Good lord your lack of logic is sometimes stupendously difficult to comprehend. An imbecile could conclude that in each of the 4 situations above, you are going to see loss of human life or danger to other humans.

Cuomo showed malice = he knew the probable consequences of the act were dangerous to human life and acted with conscious disregard for life.

 

[Hines57]

I heard there was a dead body in this thread.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I heard there was a dead body in this thread.

Did it look like a dead lawyer?

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Stupid is considering that sending people to nursing homes is engaging in an INHERENTLY dangerous act. That is exactly what you are arguing.

My specific reference is REALITY. Cuomo will not be charged with murder for the exact reasons I argue.

Here’s an idea for you: Write and submit an op-Ed expressing your belief and reasoning behind why Cuomo should be indicted for murder. I suspect that you won’t because you know that it has no merit.

just to sum up the liberal perspective. Sending Covid positive patients to live with at risk elderly is not inherently dangerous. Sending low to no risk children to school is insanely dangerous and having your grandparents over for Thanksgiving dinner is a crime to be reported to authorities because it is a super spreader.

go ahead and square that circle.

 

[Sarge]

In the course of human history, humans have managed to eradicate a total of two viruses. Two. What are the odds humans manage to eradicate Covid19? I’d say the odds are not great or even good.

 

[Superman]

In the course of human history, humans have managed to eradicate a total of two viruses. Two. What are the odds humans manage to eradicate Covid19? I’d say the odds are not great or even good.

viruses never had to deal with Biden.

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[Buster]

viruses never had to deal with Biden.

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I hope he does it quickly so he can get to that cancer cure he promised.

 

[jitter77]

A nurse where my gf used to work just passed away from Covid. She was probably around 50, but i don't know if she had a lot of underlying issues

 

[Badcat]

What??? Wait a damned minute. You are now arguing that sending COVID+ patients into nursing homes full of the population MOST vulnerable to COVID is NOT inherently dangerous?

If a Governor released child molesters from prison and mandated they be inserted into elementary schools, that's not dangerous?
If a Governor mandated patients with Ebola be inserted into nursing homes, that wouldn't be dangerous?
If a Governor released wife beaters/wife murderers from prison and mandated they be housed in shelters for battered women, that wouldn't be dangerous?

Good lord your lack of logic is sometimes stupendously difficult to comprehend. An imbecile could conclude that in each of the 4 situations above, you are going to see loss of human life or danger to other humans.

Cuomo showed malice = he knew the probable consequences of the act were dangerous to human life and acted with conscious disregard for life.

His thoughts and beliefs are so twisted and irrational, I believe that he suffers from Cognitive Distortion. His responses are psychopathological.

 

[IndySteel]

I heard there was a dead body in this thread.

Not dead, just flogged.