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The Coronavirus thread

Troglodyte said:
So 75,000 Covid deaths in December is preposterous? Go on record with a reasonable estimate. We’ll revisit January 1st.
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38,212.5

See, I can make up numbers too!

How many paychecks have you missed due to the Chinese flu, Floggy? Simple question that even a proven moron should be able to answer, yet you keep avoiding it. Wonder why, wonder why ...

Hey, maybe you are making bank on the Chinese flu, love that 65% of the population has to stay home so traffic is soooo much better, and all your asinine rants about the Chinese flu are just selfish bleatings by a disgusting benefactor of the Chinese flu.
 
Steeltime said:
38,212.5

See, I can make up numbers too!

How many paychecks have you missed due to the Chinese flu, Floggy? Simple question that even a proven moron should be able to answer, yet you keep avoiding it. Wonder why, wonder why ...

Hey, maybe you are making bank on the Chinese flu, love that 65% of the population has to stay home so traffic is soooo much better, and all your asinine rants about the Chinese flu are just selfish bleatings by a disgusting benefactor of the Chinese flu.
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Oh, and Flog, about Killer Andy's state of mind in sending Chinese flu-stricken patients into nursing homes, you may want to pull your head out of your *** and get the facts:

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s directive forcing nursing homes to readmit residents with the coronavirus was easily one of the worst decisions made by a governor during the COVID-19 pandemic. But Cuomo is too proud to admit as much, even as he reversed that policy this weekend.

“First of all, if you look at the facts, which is always fun, you can test your hypothesis on what's flawed. Look at how many residents we have in nursing homes, look at the percentage of our deaths in our nursing homes vis-a-vie other states, we're down by like number 34," he said at a press briefing on Sunday. "So, whatever we're doing has worked on the facts."

Let’s look at the facts then: According to the Associated Press, more than 5,000 New Yorkers have died in nursing homes. That’s nearly one-fifth of all U.S. nursing home and long-care facility-related deaths, and that number continues to grow by an average of 20 to 25 deaths per day.

At first, Cuomo blamed this number on the families who continued to rely on long-term care facilities: "Now is not the best time to put your mother in a nursing home,” he said last month. “That is a fact.”

When asked why the state wasn’t at least helping nursing homes prepare for outbreaks by providing necessary medical supplies, Cuomo argued that providing aid was “not our job” because nursing homes are privately owned.

Cuomo also blamed the healthcare system for trying to preserve as many hospital beds as possible: “At one time, hospital beds were precious. When we started this, remember, the whole question was, will you have enough hospital beds? We were in a scramble to provide more hospital beds,” he said on Sunday.

Now Cuomo is blaming the nursing homes themselves, arguing that they “could have resisted” taking coronavirus-positive patients if they did not have the ability to care for them. But, again, let’s look at the facts: First, nursing homes were not permitted even to ask whether a patient sent to them by a hospital had been tested for the coronavirus under the March 25 order. Second, the original order did not include the slightest mention of this conditional flexibility, which Cuomo has chalked up as a failure of communication.

Cuomo clearly realized that forcing nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients was a disastrous decision because he finally revised the policy this weekend. ["It's so good, we have to stop doing it."] Now, hospitals “cannot discharge a person who is COVID positive to a nursing home,” and they must test every patient they discharge. Only those who test negative can now be referred to nursing homes.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...admit-your-nursing-home-policy-killed-seniors
 
MTC said:
I’m not gonna lie. Something is floating around.
My aunts father in law dropped dead from covid two weeks ago.

My parents friend also dropped dead.
I’ve had a couple cousins end up in ICU. So I don’t want to say it’s a hoax, but I just ask you guys to make good judgement while out there.
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You don't have to convince me it's not a hoax. And I am careful but not obsessive. My point isn't that it's a hoax, my point is that nothing but an actual vaccine is likely to stop it, especially now that it's getting colder and people are inside more. Masks might slow it some but they appear not to be the magical answer to our prayers they've been pushed as. I wear them because why the heck not, but I doubt it does much good.
 
oneforthebus said:
You don't have to convince me it's not a hoax. And I am careful but not obsessive. My point isn't that it's a hoax, my point is that nothing but an actual vaccine is likely to stop it, especially now that it's getting colder and people are inside more. Masks might slow it some but they appear not to be the magical answer to our prayers they've been pushed as. I wear them because why the heck not, but I doubt it does much good.
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Yeah I don't know anyone personally who thinks it's a hoax. Like you said, be cautious but not obsessive and don't let it take over your damn life. I'm not sure how old your relatives were MTC (and condolences, may they RIP), but some of the elderly who I know got it recovered. They were on a HCQ, Zinc, Doxy or Z-pak mix.

God forbid you repeat that particular cocktail though. And this was a couple months ago, I think there are newer, more effective therapeutics now.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
There hasn't been an accurate prediction made on COVID to date. From millions will die, to we will slow the curve in just 15 days, to this will be gone by summer, to vaccines won't be available till 2021, to all the predictive models being VASTLY wrong. Why do you think I would want to or could make a prediction on this? The fascinating thing is you believe you CAN, despite every so called "expert" being wrong.

I don't need to go on record "where they are wrong" because it's all out there on the internet for you to peruse. From Fauci to the CDC to the WHO to the modelers...the data's out there if you wanna type from your bubble and do some research.
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No, the predictions have been remarkably accurate given the huge variable of mitigation among 50 states and thousands of counties. The original prediction of 2 million was without any mitigation, 200k was the original estimate with mitigation. For a country of 330 million, their prediction was very accurate. Had there been a National uniform strategy for mitigation, it would have been even more accurate.

They certainly were accurate in predicting the current and most deadly surge. Or do you dismiss that as a lucky guess?
 
Steelworth said:
Thank you for your input, Dr. Fauci.
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The same Dr Fauci that said kids should not be back at school, but now they should? What changed?

Here is a factoid you may not be aware of. We are hearing that hospitals covid wards are at capacity, or near. I was talking to a friend who is a doctor at a major hospital in PGH last night. He says one of the capacity problems is that many of the patients live in assisted living situations, and those homes will not take the patients back until they pass the quarantine period, even though they have essentially recovered. Hospitals are forced to house them until they they test negative and pass the quarantine period, clogging the system. Of course, the media will showcase the worst of the overload situations.
 
hamster said:
The same Dr Fauci that said kids should not be back at school, but now they should? What changed?

Here is a factoid you may not be aware of. We are hearing that hospitals covid wards are at capacity, or near. I was talking to a friend who is a doctor at a major hospital in PGH last night. He says one of the capacity problems is that many of the patients live in assisted living situations, and those homes will not take the patients back until they pass the quarantine period, even though they have essentially recovered. Hospitals are forced to house them until they they test negative and pass the quarantine period, clogging the system. Of course, the media will showcase the worst of the overload situations.
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But even so, whats the premise of reporting hospitalizations and ICU capacity ? It conveys the idea that the system is being overburdened and folks are trying to do a delicate balancing act. Sending those folks back to senior assisted communities too soon will have dire consequences. The bottom line is to have folks limit exposure so they dont get this virus. And keep folks out of these hospitals. Every nurse or respiratory tech i know working these Covid wards are worn the **** out over this (its been 6-7 months of toiling and grinding) and the thing that pisses them off the most is the ridiculousness of dismissal of this pandemic as a minor inconvenience, even folks who are about to flatline thinking this would never happen to them.

Were it not for the arrival of the vaccine, some of these folks would consider walking away from the job completely. I worry most about the healthcare workers. This pandemic is kickin their ***** daily. And quite a few of them have died themselves of the virus they fought
 
hamster said:
The same Dr Fauci that said kids should not be back at school, but now they should? What changed?

Here is a factoid you may not be aware of. We are hearing that hospitals covid wards are at capacity, or near. I was talking to a friend who is a doctor at a major hospital in PGH last night. He says one of the capacity problems is that many of the patients live in assisted living situations, and those homes will not take the patients back until they pass the quarantine period, even though they have essentially recovered. Hospitals are forced to house them until they they test negative and pass the quarantine period, clogging the system. Of course, the media will showcase the worst of the overload situations.
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Why is the hospital at the mercy of the assisted living facility? Hospitals aren’t homeless shelters and they’re not hotels either. They don’t get paid based on the number of days stayed. They are paid based on diagnosis and it’s same amount whether the patient stays 4 days or 14 days. There is a great incentive to discharge patients as soon as possible. Why would a hospital incur losses to accommodate an assisted living facility?
 
Troglodyte said:
Why is the hospital at the mercy of the assisted living facility? Hospitals aren’t homeless shelters and they’re not hotels either. They don’t get paid based on the number of days stayed. They are paid based on diagnosis and it’s same amount whether the patient stays 4 days or 14 days. There is a great incentive to discharge patients as soon as possible. Why would a hospital incur losses to accommodate an assisted living facility?
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you have absolutely no idea what the **** you are talking about. Length of stay absolutely factors into the payment. You know why there is an incentive to discharge ASAP? Because insurance companies will DENY claims after a certain amount of days. Hmmm why would they do that if length of stay didn't make any difference in the payment?
 
We do not take any active cases, but if a patient goes through quarantine we will take them. Any new patient that hasn't had covid in the last 3 months we require a negative test. Nursing homes are not set up to deal with things like Covid. Only defense is to keep it out in the first place. I don't know of any homes who successfully contained it once it was there
 
hamster said:
The same Dr Fauci that said kids should not be back at school, but now they should? What changed?

Here is a factoid you may not be aware of. We are hearing that hospitals covid wards are at capacity, or near. I was talking to a friend who is a doctor at a major hospital in PGH last night. He says one of the capacity problems is that many of the patients live in assisted living situations, and those homes will not take the patients back until they pass the quarantine period, even though they have essentially recovered. Hospitals are forced to house them until they they test negative and pass the quarantine period, clogging the system. Of course, the media will showcase the worst of the overload situations.
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Another thing people don't realize about hospitals. They are designed to be near capacity at most times. They don't build an ICU with 100 beds. If a hospital doesn't have enough patients then they close down floors and send workers home. Sometimes they just close a whole hospital if it's half empty most of the time.

It's like building a stadium. Why don't NFL teams all build 100K stadiums? Because they design them to be near capacity. They don't want 30K - 40K empty seats most weeks just because every so often you need those seats.
 
blitzburghv5 said:
Every nurse or respiratory tech i know working these Covid wards are worn the **** out over this (its been 6-7 months of toiling and grinding) and the thing that pisses them off the most is the ridiculousness of dismissal of this pandemic as a minor inconvenience, even folks who are about to flatline thinking this would never happen to them.
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The county posts the number of ICU and ventilated patients on almost a daily level. Up until October, the number of ventilated patients was under 200 in Allegheny County. Cumulative total. To say they were toiling and grinding for 7 months is horseshit.
 
This video sums up everything about government response to covid. They are using it as a Trojan Horse. A bar owner spent lots of money to create an outdoor dining area in her parking lot. The Gov declared it unsafe and shut it down. Then they allowed a movie production company to set up an even larger outdoor dining area in the same parking lot to feed movie crews. You see movies are an essential service.

This is just in your face.

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oneforthebus said:
You don't have to convince me it's not a hoax. And I am careful but not obsessive. My point isn't that it's a hoax, my point is that nothing but an actual vaccine is likely to stop it, especially now that it's getting colder and people are inside more. Masks might slow it some but they appear not to be the magical answer to our prayers they've been pushed as. I wear them because why the heck not, but I doubt it does much good.
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Exactly. The regular flu doesn't kill 12,000 people in New York City in three months but I don't think masks do much good either.
 
I’m starting to inch towards covid is legit.
My area is one of the highest hit in the country.

My aunts father in law died due to covid.
Had two cousins end up in ICU. One is still having breathing problems.

My cousins wife just got picked up by an ambulance today. Covid related.
She was anti mask too.

I’m not one to say wear a mask. But I will say just be careful out there
 
At the end of the year, in just 3 weeks, simply compare total deaths in 2020 vs 2019 and previous years.

If the net increase is dramatic, then the pandemic is a big deal.
If the net is not dramatic, then a few people, in positions of political and economic power, have done very well at the expense of the people.

This is not that complicated.

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tapeANaspirin2it said:
you have absolutely no idea what the **** you are talking about. Length of stay absolutely factors into the payment. You know why there is an incentive to discharge ASAP? Because insurance companies will DENY claims after a certain amount of days. Hmmm why would they do that if length of stay didn't make any difference in the payment?
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Length of stay does NOT factor into payment, it factors into costs for the hospital. The payment is a fixed amount based on diagnosis. Insurers don’t have to deny claims for lengthy stays, and they don’t get money back if the hospital is able to quickly discharge the patient.
 
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