The Coronavirus thread

[Superman]

The first vaccine was developed in Germany, by a German biotechnology company, how did Trump help them?
The trade deficit has been going up in 2020, in August it was the highest amount in 14 years, not sure why Trump is credited with doing anything
in regard to trade. Not sure what bad actors he has controlled, but North Korea and Iran seem to be on their way to having nuclear arms.

how are Bomma's Caged Kids doing during the pandemic? Has the media questioned them for statements lately?

 

[Steeltime]

The first vaccine was developed in Germany, by a German biotechnology company, how did Trump help them?

I seriously don't know why I waste time responding to you any more. Stop being blind and lazy, and actually INVESTIGATE something for once. As to your first point:

Operation Warp Speed, a Trump administration initiative to manufacture COVID-19 vaccines as fast as possible, should be lauded as a successful endeavour in what has otherwise been a poor effort to deal with the coronavirus, experts say.

"No doubt, Operation Warp Speed is a huge success," said Tinglong Dai, associate professor of Operations Management and Business Analytics at Johns Hopkins University Carey Business School in Baltimore.

"You can like or hate the Trump administration, but no doubt, it's a huge success — unprecedented success."

Jesse Goodman, the former chief scientist of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, agreed that the U.S. government deserves credit for the high priority placed on Operation Warp Speed.

"This is a bright spot in the pandemic response. I mean, the rest of it has been dismal," said Goodman, who is also director of Georgetown University's Center on Medical Product Access, Safety and Stewardship.

Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, also lauded Operation Warp Speed for being a "success — certainly in the arena of vaccines, it's been a success" in his remarks at a recent virtual summit organized by the medical news site Stat.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/operation-warp-speed-trump-pfizer-moderna-vaccine-1.5806820

November 9, 2020 By David Marcus

Monday morning’s news that Pfizer has shown a 90 percent effectiveness rate in its soon-to-be-available vaccine should have been a moment of national unity and joy. More than that, it should have been treated as an achievement by the Trump administration and its efforts through Operation Warp Speed to develop a vaccine. But no sooner had the news broken than outlets like the New York Times and Washington Post sought to make sure Trump got no credit for it.

The Times quoted Kathrin Jansen, the head of vaccine development at Pfizer as saying, “We have never taken money from the US government or from anyone,” and then went on to claim Pfizer was never a part of Operation Warp Speed. This is simply not true.

As NPR reported in July, the government reached a deal for nearly two billion dollars to help distribute the vaccine. Pfizer’s own press release in July announced that the U.S. government placed an initial order of 100 million doses for $1.95 billion. No money went specifically into the vaccine’s research and development, but Pfizer absolutely did take government money, and was forced to walk back Jansen’s statement.

In an update to their story, Newsweek provided this key clarification, “This page has been updated to clarify Jansen’s comments following further details from a Pfizer spokesperson. The spokesperson clarified that its vaccine is linked to Operation Warp Speed, though its research and development has not taken funding from the federal government. The headline was also updated for clarity.”

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/0...h-trump-administrations-operation-warp-speed/

Strike 1.

The trade deficit has been going up in 2020, in August it was the highest amount in 14 years, not sure why Trump is credited with doing anything in regard to trade.

Of course you select 2020 and leave out the changes from 2017-2019. Wonder why. Also wonder if something happened in 2020 that may have nuked the trade numbers, something like a communist country releasing a murderous disease, lying about it, then taking advantage of the rest of the world shutting down their economies.

Nope, can't be. If that was true, surely I would have read about it in the New York Times and Washington Post. I mean, look at this graph about the trade deficit and how it was blowing up in 2019!!

https://www.statista.com/chart/20423/monthly-us-trade-deficit-in-goods-and-services/

Never mind ... oh, and the morons who published the graph are befuddled at the fact the trade deficit exploded during the Chinese-manufactured recession. Apparently, they were unaware the entire developed world shut down, except China. What the **** was the United States supposed to export with its ******* businesses shut down?!? Illegal aliens? We have ******* plenty of those, I guess.

Strike 2.

Not sure what bad actors he has controlled, but North Korea and Iran seem to be on their way to having nuclear arms.

You idiot, no sentient being blames Trump for Iran developing nuclear weapons - they have been doing so for decades in conjunction with Russia and China.

Russia and Iran signed a bilateral nuclear cooperation agreement in August 1992. ...

In early November 2004, the CIA received thousands of pages of information from a "walk-in" source indicating that Iran was modifying the nose cone of its Shahab-3 missile to carry a nuclear warhead. Furthermore, in early 2004, the IAEA discovered that Iran had hidden blueprints for a more advanced P-2 centrifuge and a document detailing uranium hemisphere casting from its inspectors. [20] Iranian officials dismissed these documents as forgeries. [21] The IAEA called on Iran to be more cooperative and to answer all of the Agency's questions about the origins of its centrifuge technology. [22] Iran amended its previous declaration and admitted that it had clandestinely imported P-1 centrifuges through a foreign intermediary in 1987. Iran also acknowledged for the first time that it had imported P-2 centrifuge drawings in 1994. [23] The Agency determined that the traces of highly enriched uranium (HEU) on Iranian centrifuge equipment most likely originated from the foreign intermediary, as they did not match any samples from Iran's declared inventory. [24]

In November 2007, Iran admitted that the foreign intermediary from its previous declarations was the illicit global nuclear trafficking network of Pakistani scientist A.Q. Khan. Iran also admitted to purchasing a complete set of P-2 centrifuge blueprints from the Khan network in 1996, which it used when it began constructing and testing P-2 centrifuges in 2002. However, Iran refused to answer the Agency's outstanding questions about its UF4 conversion activities ("The Green Salt Project"), high explosives testing, and re-entry vehicle design. [36]

Tensions with the international community further increased after President Ahmadinejad announced that Iran intended to construct 10 additional uranium enrichment facilities. Ali Akbar Salehi, the head of the AEOI, announced that Iran had identified close to twenty sites for these future plants and that construction work on two of the plants would begin "within the year." [51] On 15 December 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill stipulating the imposition of sanctions on "foreign companies that help supply gasoline to Iran." [52]

In a letter dated 19 February 2010, Iran informed the IAEA that it was still seeking to purchase LEU for the Tehran Research Reactor on the international market and would be willing to exchange LEU for fuel assemblies "simultaneously or in one package inside the territory of Iran." Iran requested that the IAEA convey this message to the P5+1 but the sides were not able to restart negotiations. [57] The breakdown of talks was followed by a new nuclear fuel swap proposal brokered by Brazil and Turkey. On 17 May 2010, Brazil, Turkey and Iran issued a joint statement in which Iran agreed to export half of its LEU stock (1,200kg) to Turkey as a confidence-building measure, in return for 120kg of 20% enriched uranium for use in its medical research reactor. [58] The deal, however, was not accepted by Western countries, who saw Iran's agreement to the removal of only 1,200kg of LEU from its territory as too little, too late.

... Most of the information in the annex had been known previously, but the November 2011 report was the first time that the IAEA assembled available evidence into one overview document. According to the report, Iran engaged in a range of activities "relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device." [66] These included efforts to "procure nuclear related and dual-use equipment and materials by military-related individuals and entities;" to develop "undeclared pathways for the production of nuclear material;" to acquire "nuclear weapons development information and documentation," presumably from the A.Q. Khan network; and to "work on the development of an indigenous design of a nuclear weapon including the testing of components."

In late January 2012, ... the IAEA expressed its disappointment in the meeting due to Iran's refusal to grant access to the Parchin military complex―a site where Iran has allegedly conducted high explosive and hydrodynamic experiments relevant to the development of nuclear weapons. [73]

On 8 May 2018 President Trump announced that the United States would cease implementing the JCPOA and begin to reimpose nuclear-related sanctions on Iran. ... Throughout 2020, Iran has exceeded limits on uranium enrichment agreed to in the JCPOA, however it has not enriched beyond 5% U-235. Iran continues to cooperate with IAEA inspectors in verification and monitoring of sites related to the JCPOA. [135] Iran has refused IAEA access to sites associated with revelations from the "atomic archive" released by Israel in 2018. In June 2020, the UK, France, and Germany joined the United States in submitting a resolution to the IAEA Board of Governors calling on Iran to allow IAEA inspection teams to all requested sites. The IAEA Board of Governors approved the resolution on 19 June 2020. [136]

https://www.nti.org/learn/countries/iran/nuclear/

Iran has lied about its nuclear capabilities, intended use for enriched uranium, its stockpile of enriched uranium, its supply of deuterium oxide ("heavy water"), has interfered with inspections, and has been developing nuclear weapons program since Dwight Eisenhower was President.

Blaming Trump is just another example of idiocy that runs rampant among the left. By the way, I am going to wager you know literally nothing about nuclear energy and nuclear explosives. Nothing. Zero, Bupkus. Zip. Zilch.

As a result, you have zero knowledge why issues such as high-speed centrifuges and deuterium matter. Instead, you simply parrot the stupidity of an equally ignorant, lazy, stupid moron leftist "journalist."

As to North Korea ... uhh, you know they began their nuclear weapons program while Kennedy was President and then developed nuclear weapons while Bush was President, right?

2. What are the origins of its nuclear program?

In the 1960s, when North Korea was a close ally to the Soviet Union, Soviet leaders transferred nuclear technology and hardware to allow Pyongyang to develop a nuclear energy program. Those early nuclear reactors allowed North Korea to gain the technical sophistication, as well as a source of fissile material, for its future weapons program.

In the 1970s, North Korea obtained a Soviet-era Scud missile from Egypt and reverse-engineered it to make two of its earliest versions: the Hwasong-5 and Hwasong-6 missiles.

By the 1980s, North Korean scientists were beginning to fabricate uranium metal and experiment with detonating systems used in nuclear warheads. After the 1994 Agreed Framework pact was abandoned in 2002, North Korea began to race to build and test its first nuclear device, finally succeeding in 2006.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-to-know-about-north-koreas-nuclear-weapons/

As of January, 2017, when Trump took over, North Korea was seen as the most dangerous nation on the planet. For four years, Trump has made overtures to try and bring North Korea into the 21st century. He, like all others before him dealing with North Korea, failed.

But has North Korea launched an assault? Are we in a war with NK? Are we on the brink of war, or further away than when Bammy was running the show?

Speaking to a think tank in Seoul during a visit to meet with South Korean security officials, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Stephen Biegun admitted he was disappointed denuclearisation negotiations had stalled and that more progress was not made during his time leading those efforts.

“Regrettably, much opportunity has been squandered by our North Korean counterparts over the past two years, who too often have devoted themselves to the search for obstacles to negotiations instead of seizing opportunities for engagement,” he said, according to his prepared remarks.

Still, he defended Trump’s decision to focus on top-level diplomacy with leader Kim Jong Un, and to eschew small steps in favour of seeking a major agreement under which North Korea would surrender its nuclear weapons and the two sides would normalize relations.

“This vision was a bold one, and it made the many advocates of incrementalism uncomfortable,” Biegun said.

After trading insults and nuclear threats, Trump and Kim met for the first time in Singapore in 2018, where they signed a general declaration calling for denuclearisation and new relations between the two old adversaries.

After working-level talks Biegun helped lead, the two leaders held their second meeting in the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi in 2019 but failed to reach a deal.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-southkorea-biegun-idUSKBN28K0FN

And about the Middle East, that shithole? The United States is in a vastly better position with agreements involving the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan (once a center of terrorist training).

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/2...-middle-east-peace-deal-this-time-with-sudan/

Part of the agreement with Sudan was an exchange of money ... but unlike every ******* deal the ******* (D)ims have ever negotiated, this one involved Sudan PAYING the United States $335 million for compensation to victims of that nation's terrorist attacks.

So to sum up:

• Trump's Operation Warp Speed played a HUGE role in developing the vaccine and only an imbecile would believe otherwise.
• The United States economy was booming and the trade deficit shrinking in 2018-2019, and that changed due to the Chinese flu.
• Trump was not President when Iran began its nuclear weapons development or when NK developed nuclear weapons, but has opened up negotiations with NK, unlike his predecessors, and is no longer paying billions to Iran (like Bammy did) to fund their ******* nuclear weapons program.
• Trump also succeeded in the Middle East to a massive degree, much more so than his predecessors.

Strike 3.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Steelworth]

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I seriously don't know why I waste time responding to you any more. Stop being blind and lazy, and actually INVESTIGATE something for once.

He can only write books, don't expect him to actually read that.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Update on my kiddo and her family- kiddo is showing mild to no symptoms. Dad who has cancer has body aches and that’s it. Mom is the worst, but she’s not in the hospital or anything close. Psycho co-worker is in disbelief that Dad with cancer has only aches. Convinced that all cancer patients should be in the hospital and dying....which is ****** up.

That being said- I’m so glad kiddo is OK and that the rest of the family will be OK.

 

[Steelworth]

Right on Lyn, awesome news. Especially for the kiddo, that had to have been scary.

 

[Steeltime]

Update on my kiddo and her family- kiddo is showing mild to no symptoms. Dad who has cancer has body aches and that’s it. Mom is the worst, but she’s not in the hospital or anything close. ... That being said- I’m so glad kiddo is OK and that the rest of the family will be OK.

Nice. Very nice.

 

[Steelworth]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So are we still pretending that everyone in Arizona, Nevada and California listened and then stopped listening to public health guidance at nearly the exact same times and to the same extent or are we ready to admit interventions are useless and spread is regional and seasonal <a href="https://t.co/hvdhcTb3CU">pic.twitter.com/hvdhcTb3CU</a></p>— IM (@ianmSC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1338974424519692288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Steelworth]

He can only write books, don't expect him to actually read that.

So he finished it? 21?

 

[Superman]

So he finished it? 21?

"It was a dark and stormy night ..."

seven words, plagiarized nonetheless, but then he got writer's block.

 

[Steelworth]

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times..."

 

[Steeltime]

"Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious summer by the son of York."

Hmm, that sounds pretty good. Get it, "sun"/"son"? I may have to "Biden" the line.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Update on my kiddo and her family- kiddo is showing mild to no symptoms. Dad who has cancer has body aches and that’s it. Mom is the worst, but she’s not in the hospital or anything close. Psycho co-worker is in disbelief that Dad with cancer has only aches. Convinced that all cancer patients should be in the hospital and dying....which is ****** up.

That being said- I’m so glad kiddo is OK and that the rest of the family will be OK.

My brother in law is an oncologist, he has had over a dozen of his patients contract Covid and NONE of them have required hospitalization. He truly believes there is something on the genetic level that is determining the severity, as chemo patients with absolutely no immune systems should be the most heavily impacted and across the board, that has not been the case.

 

[Steelworth]

My brother in law is an oncologist, he has had over a dozen of his patients contract Covid and NONE of them have required hospitalization. He truly believes there is something on the genetic level that is determining the severity, as chemo patients with absolutely no immune systems should be the most heavily impacted and across the board, that has not been the case.

Not an overwhelmingly large sample size, but if NONE of them have needed hospitalization, that is really interesting and should be researched/discussed on a national level. This whole thing has so many question marks around it that it gets a bit maddening.

 

[Steeltime]

Not an overwhelmingly large sample size, but if NONE of them have needed hospitalization, that is really interesting and should be researched/discussed on a national level. This whole thing has so many question marks around it that it gets a bit maddening.

No worries. Dr. Jill and Dr. Steeltime are on the case.

 

[Steeltime]

 

[Ron Burgundy]

All year thru November I had a grand total of 2 Covid deaths at my funeral home. As of today I've had four so far this month and it's only the 16th.

No worries. Dr. Jill and Dr. Steeltime are on the case.

I have a Master's Degree in Business Administration, therefore you all should address me as "Master".

 

[Sarge]

Well, I guess strip clubs are now essential business, as long as they have restaurant services.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-cali...ain-open-set-own-coronavirus-rules-judge-says

 

[IndySteel]

All year thru November I had a grand total of 2 Covid deaths at my funeral home. As of today I've had four so far this month and it's only the 16th.

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Did any of those four have the Covid symptom of gunshots?

GRAND COUNTY, Colo. (CBS4) – The Grand County coroner is calling attention to the way the state health department is classifying some deaths. The coroner, Brenda Bock, says two of their five deaths related to COVID-19 were people who died of gunshot wounds.


(credit: UCHealth)

Bock says because they tested positive for COVID-19 within the past 30 days, they were classified as “deaths among cases.”

“It’s absurd that they would even put that on there,” she said. “Would you want to go to a county that has really high death numbers? Would you want to go visit that county because they are contagious. You know I might get it, and I could die if all of a sudden one county has a high death count. We don’t have it, and we don’t need those numbers inflated.”

 

[Steelworth]

Well, I guess strip clubs are now essential business, as long as they have restaurant services.

AOC - sex workers are workers.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Our school board voted on Monday that no matter how bad the numbers are in our county and how many cases each school has, that elementary kids will NEVER go remote again. The reason the elementary kids are remote now is because the teachers are calling out sick and they can’t get subs to fill the need. One school had 25% of its staff out sick! I don’t worry about getting sick, but what sense does it make to reopen schools when the staffing isn’t there? Even if teachers don’t have covid, they still call out. Each school has hired in-building subs to help fill the need, but two subs per school won’t cut it. I know the board caved to the Karen and Ken parents who bitched about precious Johnny being home all day. It’s stupid.

 

[Sarge]

AOC - sex workers are workers.

That isn't so unusual. In Germany, sex workers are paid and taxed on what they earn. They have regular taxpayer funded health screenings. Hell, it's not unusual to see their husbands/boyfriends drop them off and pick them up from the brothel. I think most European countries are similar.

 

[Badcat]

That isn't so unusual. In Germany, sex workers are paid and taxed on what they earn. They have regular taxpayer funded health screenings. Hell, it's not unusual to see their husbands/boyfriends drop them off and pick them up from the brothel. I think most European countries are similar.

Yep, Sex is looked at much differently there. I saw a sex toy vending machine in downtown Frankfurt (1994). Pretty crazy.

 

[IndySteel]