The Coronavirus thread

[Troglodyte]

We are asking for any substantiation of your claim. Anything. We know you can't contribute to the board, so if you are going to purport theories as facts, at least at a minimum attempt to back them up.

Turn on the news, now being reported 35 hospitals at 90+% capacity.

 

[Steeltime]

Turn on the news, now being reported 35 hospitals at 90+% capacity.

What percentage of those patients are Chinese flu? Oh, you don't know. Huh. That might be a relevant fact. Perhaps you should find out.

What is the normal percentage for hospital capacity? So I guess your theory is that but for the Chinese flu, these hospitals would be at, what, 50% capacity? And somehow still make money?

Yeah, no.

April 16, 2021: Dallarda said the 90 percent bed capacity is normal for the hospital, even in the days before the pandemic. The hospital has a total of 219 licensed beds and 29 ICU beds.

Hospital at 90 percent capacity — which is the norm

The 90 percent capacity at Maui Memorial Medical Center reported last week by a top hospital official “is a normal census,” even when tourists were around, an official for the facility operator said Thursday. Tracy Dallarda, spokeswoman for hospital operator Maui Health System, also discussed...

www.mauinews.com

Hospitals are in many ways like hotels and the hotel industry has studied the effect of occupancy on profitability pretty thoroughly. It turns out that for medium price range hotels, 75% occupancy is the most profitable rate whereas for high-end hotels, 85% occupancy is peak profitability. Many hospital executives talk about 85% being the ideal occupancy rate for a hospital and I have to admit, that is sort of the number I have in mind when I look at our morning census.

What Is The Ideal Hospital Occupancy Rate?

Intuitively, you would think that the closer a commercial venture is to 100% full, the more profitable that venture would be. For example, airlines overbook their flights so that they can get as cl…

hospitalmedicaldirector.com

Flog ... here to make the rest of us feel better about our work ethic by posting dumb **** without context, and without a whit of effort to report relevant data.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Turn on the news, now being reported 35 hospitals at 90+% capacity.

The news....SMH. Oh, and 35 out 6,090 hospitals in the country is indicative of an immense problem.

0.57% of our hospitals are at 90% capacity.

You also may want to ask them how they measure capacity, since that too was a stat that was often twisted last year to make things look more grim. 90% of total beds? 90% of total ICU beds? 90% of beds dedicated to COVID? Do tell.

More anecdotes from Hypoflog.

 

[jitter77]

Where do you live? It seems every COVID related post you make reflects that your area is worse than about 90% of the country. I only ask because I want to make sure I never go there until you post that there hasn't been any COVID in about 6 months.

It's western PA. We were doing good county wise for a couple months, but on the upswing again. We had to suspend visits at the nursing home because the county positivity rate went to almost 10% again, which i belive is a little over 100 cases / day. To put it in perspective at the peak we were looking at 400-600+ cases / day

 

[oneforthebus]

It's western PA. We were doing good county wise for a couple months, but on the upswing again. We had to suspend visits at the nursing home because the county positivity rate went to almost 10% again, which i belive is a little over 100 cases / day. To put it in perspective at the peak we were looking at 400-600+ cases / day

Can't seem to find it now but just read an article that said positivity rate is basically useless now. Why? Because so many people are vaccinated or have already had covid. Therefore the only people getting tested are the ones who are symptomatic and most likely to have covid. So the positivity rate is not a good indicator of community spread because it's no longer even remotely a representative sample of the population.

 

[jitter77]

Last i read about 39% of the county was vaccinated which seems good. We also have a ton of nursing homes in the county so all those staff will be tested weekly regardless. 6 of 14 staff at another nursing home tested positive after the vaccine and 3 had Covid previously. Like you said though they had no symptoms and if it wasn't for them working in a home they wouldn't have a clue that they had Covid.

 

[hamster]

Most of the spread in our area is kids. My neighbors kid is in quarantine right now. The pre-teen girl across the street had it a couple of weeks ago. No big deal. We still hang out with each other. All the adults are vaxxed. No bullshit masks. No one wears a mask outdoors, like other places. Sanity returns to some.

 

[Troglodyte]

What percentage of those patients are Chinese flu? Oh, you don't know. Huh. That might be a relevant fact. Perhaps you should find out.

What is the normal percentage for hospital capacity? So I guess your theory is that but for the Chinese flu, these hospitals would be at, what, 50% capacity? And somehow still make money?

Yeah, no.

Hospital at 90 percent capacity — which is the norm

The 90 percent capacity at Maui Memorial Medical Center reported last week by a top hospital official “is a normal census,” even when tourists were around, an official for the facility operator said Thursday. Tracy Dallarda, spokeswoman for hospital operator Maui Health System, also discussed...

www.mauinews.com

What Is The Ideal Hospital Occupancy Rate?

Intuitively, you would think that the closer a commercial venture is to 100% full, the more profitable that venture would be. For example, airlines overbook their flights so that they can get as cl…

hospitalmedicaldirector.com

Flog ... here to make the rest of us feel better about our work ethic by posting dumb **** without context, and without a whit of effort to report relevant data.

The average hospital occupancy is around 65%. Many older larger hospitals have much lower occupancy as it has been in decline as procedures and surgeries now require shorter lengths of stay or are performed on an outpatient basis. Hospitals are staffed accordingly. They don’t necessarily have emergency on-call staffing to handle a large, rapid increase in occupancy. The aforementioned Beaumont had 128 patients on Feb 28th, they now have over 800.

 

[Troglodyte]

The news....SMH. Oh, and 35 out 6,090 hospitals in the country is indicative of an immense problem.

0.57% of our hospitals are at 90% capacity.

You also may want to ask them how they measure capacity, since that too was a stat that was often twisted last year to make things look more grim. 90% of total beds? 90% of total ICU beds? 90% of beds dedicated to COVID? Do tell.

More anecdotes from Hypoflog.

Except the 35 hospitals are all in Michigan, Tim. Shake your head at the news some more, deny reality, embrace ignorance.

 

[Troglodyte]

Can't seem to find it now but just read an article that said positivity rate is basically useless now. Why? Because so many people are vaccinated or have already had covid. Therefore the only people getting tested are the ones who are symptomatic and most likely to have covid. So the positivity rate is not a good indicator of community spread because it's no longer even remotely a representative sample of the population.

Some states now have less Covid testing compared to others, increasing their positivity rate and potentially under reporting cases.

 

[hamster]

 

[deljzc]

My new favorite phrase for our media.... "Panic Porn".

Well done Bill Mahar, all of that was dead on.

 

[Tibs]

Shake your head at the news some more, deny reality, embrace ignorance.

It is the only thing they know. The way of the MAGA.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Except the 35 hospitals are all in Michigan, Tim. Shake your head at the news some more, deny reality, embrace ignorance.

Request 14 Floggy: Provide evidence that "hospitals were overwhelmed" last year or stop saying it. You didn't say Michigan. You said [In the usa]....hospitals were overwhelmed LAST YEAR.

The evidence is out there if your point is valid. Stop providing myopic evidence from a LOCK DOWN state that can't contain their cases like Texas and Florida and Mississipi.

You also didn't specify 90% occupancy. Define it. Steeltime beat your *** with facts too. Few realize hospitals operate at near max capacity all the time. Educate us all Doctor Hypoflog. Last year if a hospital had 10 ICU beds and 4 were dedicated to ICU patients and 4 were occupied and the other 6 were empty they'd classify that as MAX CAPACITY. So do tell us what your 90%....means what....

PS....your statement word for word was "Turn on the news, now being reported 35 hospitals at 90+% capacity." No one knew you were discussing Michigan because, as it always has been, your writing is for ****. There was no context to point to Michigan either.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The average hospital occupancy is around 65%. Many older larger hospitals have much lower occupancy as it has been in decline as procedures and surgeries now require shorter lengths of stay or are performed on an outpatient basis. Hospitals are staffed accordingly. They don’t necessarily have emergency on-call staffing to handle a large, rapid increase in occupancy. The aforementioned Beaumont had 128 patients on Feb 28th, they now have over 800.

Fun Facts for Hypoflog:

The ideal hospital occupancy rate that many strive for is 75-85%.

THE OCCUPANCY SWEET SPOT​

So, what is the ideal occupancy rate? It depends.

If you have a midnight census rate of 85%, this gives you a 15% buffer. Though on Thursdays and Fridays, a midnight census of 80% would probably be preferable. On the weekends, 75% is better because surgical floors are lighter and thus nursing staff can be reduced.

But Floggy running around saying we were overwhelmed by COVID!! And now hospitals are bursting at the seams at 90%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRGgghghhhhh!!!! 5% beyond the IDEAL rate is a natural calamity because Lester Holt and NBC said so.....

They strive to be at 85%...but....the media tries to convince you it's an end-of-earth scenario if they get to 90%.

April 9, from the IMHE, the Liberals' fave source for COVID projections:


Gosh darn it....the entire USA at 68% occupancy? Seems way below the ideal they'd LIKE to operate at.

Let's move to the American Hospital Association.....

The AHA offers a weekly updated hospital occupancy map. See the filters selected are All Beds and All Patients. Not a single Red County in the entire country. Not....ONE.

Notice the little filter that says "Bed Type?" This is how they mess with you and abuse stats. They specify a number of beds as COVID only beds and if those get full they report being at capacity.....because that subset of a percentage of their beds are occupied....See the magic below. The USA has no red when you look at all Beds and All Patients by type. There isn't a single county in the country that's at 90%. Not...one.




Now look what happens when you pick ICU beds. Wow...5 counties show 90-100% occupancy....wow. WOW. We are OVERWHELMED!






Stay educated and don't fall for Hypoflog's bullshit folks.

 

[oneforthebus]

Some states now have less Covid testing compared to others, increasing their positivity rate and potentially under reporting cases.

Or they have fewer people getting tested because a lot of people are immune. Therefore the only people getting tested now are the non-immune and probably those who have symptoms. Hence higher positivity rates.

I swear to God you just desperately want things to never get better.

 

[oneforthebus]

New York was the hardest hit place by far and we had mobile hospitals sitting empty at the height of the pandemic.

It's long past time to retire this "hospitals are overwhelmed" tripe at least in this country.

 

[oneforthebus]

It's nice to see the rare liberal talking sense. Not the first time for Maher if uncommon.

Today I read this article about how vaccinated people should still not eat or drink on planes. Absolutely ludicrous. I laughed out loud at the part where this fully vaccinated person takes their mask off to gobble down their food and drink in 30 seconds. You're probably more likely to die in an accident driving to the airport that you are dying of covid after being vaccinated. People have lost their minds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/tips/flights-eat-drink-vaccine-covid/

 

[Troglodyte]

Or they have fewer people getting tested because a lot of people are immune. Therefore the only people getting tested now are the non-immune and probably those who have symptoms. Hence higher positivity rates.

I swear to God you just desperately want things to never get better.

So I’m fully vaccinated, encouraging others to get vaccinated and have volunteered at a vaccination clinic. Tim is anti-vaccine, and trying to convince people there’s no need for it because he thinks we’ve already achieved herd immunity. You swear to God who desperately wants things to never get better?

 

[Troglodyte]

New York was the hardest hit place by far and we had mobile hospitals sitting empty at the height of the pandemic.

It's long past time to retire this "hospitals are overwhelmed" tripe at least in this country.

There’s thousands of New York healthcare workers who vehemently disagree. But hey, wasn’t your problem, right?

 

[oneforthebus]

There’s thousands of New York healthcare workers who vehemently disagree. But hey, wasn’t your problem, right?

I'm saying at the height of the crisis it never got even as close to as bad as predicted. For anyone to try to convince us they are overwhelmed now, with large portions of the country immune due to vaccines and natural immunity, is just ridiculous.

 

[oneforthebus]

So I’m fully vaccinated, encouraging others to get vaccinated and have volunteered at a vaccination clinic. Tim is anti-vaccine, and trying to convince people there’s no need for it because he thinks we’ve already achieved herd immunity. You swear to God who desperately wants things to never get better?

I've disagreed with Tim on his vaccine stance as you know. I hope everyone gets vaccinated for the sake of their own health and for the sake of herd immunity. It's the only way out of this and as I am acquainted with people involved in the development of these vaccines I trust the data from the clinical trials.

As for you, I doubt we'll ever get to a place in this country where risk is low enough that people like you will be ok with other people living their lives normally. You constantly seize on every piece of negative news and downplay anything positive.

Simple probability and statistics tells us that if 30 some percent are vaccinated and at least 20 or 30% have natural immunity, the percent of the overall population who are currently getting infected cannot possibly be as high as it was early on in this crisis. It's just not mathematically possible.

 

[Tibs]

Simple probability and statistics tells us that if 30 some percent are vaccinated and at least 20 or 30% have natural immunity, the percent of the overall population who are currently getting infected cannot possibly be as high as it was early on in this crisis. It's just not mathematically possible.

Unless the different variants popping up represent something new and different that the Covid from last year, and even the stronger UK variant which caused the spike early this year, which affected a younger age group. The **** happening in India with the new variant is alarming. This is a form of Covid which has mutated. It's like a friggin' horror sci-fi flick. That's why the masks are important through this all, to keep the spread low, with the various variants around. Let's pray the Indian strain doesn't make it too far, but it's already popped up in the UK. And we know it didn't take long for the UK variant to make it across the Atlantic back in Jan. Hopefully folks around the globe continue to get vaccinated, and continue wearing masks and taking precautions. Covid won't go away on its own just because we've all grown tired of it. It will take communities fighting it together, though collective effort and cooperation.

More info on Indian strain, if anyone feels like reading up on it:

Coronavirus: 'Double mutant' Covid variant found in India

This comes as India reported 47,262 cases and 275 deaths on Wednesday, its highest tally this year.

www.bbc.com

New strain of Covid, from India, found in UK with 77 cases detected

The strain has two mutations, meaning it could spread faster and get around immunity

www.walesonline.co.uk

Covid-19 Surge in India Risks Breeding Variants the Nation Can’t Track

As it battles a huge surge in coronavirus cases, India trails many other countries in the genomic sequencing necessary to track emerging variants, creating a blind spot for local and global health officials.

www.wsj.com

India played down new mutant Covid strains to avoid panic – but this may have backfired

Some amount of panic may have actually helped reinforce Covid-appropriate behaviour, say experts.

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[Steeltime]

It is the only thing they know. The way of the MAGA.

Decaf, poor little guy, if he encountered somebody not vaccinated, with a cough, wearing a MAGA hat:

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So I’m fully vaccinated, encouraging others to get vaccinated and have volunteered at a vaccination clinic. Tim is anti-vaccine, and trying to convince people there’s no need for it because he thinks we’ve already achieved herd immunity. You swear to God who desperately wants things to never get better?

What a load of horse ****. Talk about misrepresentations.

I'm not an antivaxxer. I do however have concerns, as millions do, with the Moderna, Pfizer and J&J vaccines. They aren't FDA approved. They aren't engineered the way vaccines typically are. So I'm waiting for the Novavax vaccine:

Like most of the Covid-19 vaccine candidates, the Novavax candidate requires two shots spaced three weeks apart. But candidate NVX-CoV2373 actually works differently than the other vaccines that have made it this far. It’s a protein subunit vaccine, which means that it uses a lab-made version of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. This spike protein alone can’t make anyone sick. But to make sure that the body still generates the protective antibodies against it, Novavax has inserted an ingredient called an adjuvant, which acts as a hypeman for the immune system to signal it to spring into action.

I get the flu shot annually and I've had every other vaccine humans generally get or are required to get.

Nor have I tried to convince anyone NOT to get a vaccine. Feel free to show where I have.

What I have been doing is raising concerns about the 3 vaccines rushed to market. Nothing more.

And we do have herd immunity in areas of the country and are approaching it elsewhere rapidly.

Please, provide us with more anecdotes and liars lying bullshit about what you think without substantiation.