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Well, if I claimed that CA was more densely populated, or as densely populated as MA or NJ, you’d have a strong point. I did not, I said it was densely populated. So... WTF is your point?
Again, CA is more densely populated than 2/3rds of all states. FACT. Making it... DENSELY populated. It’s certainly way more densely populated than Covid failure SD. We can agree upon that, right?
Carry on...
It's just how you roll Hypoflog. You make stupid statements like that. "California is densely populated" then try to walk it back and say "well not that densely populated."
Using your logic I can make bullshit claims like Nevada is densely populated....and when you retort no it's not I can say sure it is, it's more densely populated than Nebraska, Idaho, North & South Dakota, New Mexico...so see, it's densely populated.
My house is densely populated I guess too.
You tried to make a claim about California's density (because you've made the argument that the more dense a place is, the more the virus must spread). You tried supporting that lockdowns work by saying "Well CA has low cases now AND they are densely populated so....."
But even that logic fails...density equals higher cases. The first map Floggy is the high density areas of California....you know, the Bay area, LA, San Diego. Those are the little RED areas on this first map. Got it???
Now here is the COVID map by Counties. Keeping this simple....the RED areas are where COVID is the worst...ok??? Now both maps show county lines and if you know geography then you'll recognize where LA and SD and SF are right???
Again I think a monkey could look at this and see the following...some of the COVID hot spots ARE where the population density is....1/2 of the LA are is hard hit, the rest is not (Santa Barbara County is, Ventura is not). PART of the bay area is hard hit, the rest is not.
Yet what an amazing portion of GREEN california is RED from COVID cases.........look at all that area in unpopulated eastern CA that is red, or the upper northwest of CA, or the middle part of the state that is lightly populated.
Cases are NOT following a correlated pattern which is higher population = higher cases. In some areas yes, in others...NO.
Your argument that density and cases seem to go hand in hand doesn't really go hand in hand.
Now, back to your follow on conjectures.
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Flog is also the guy at the Farmer’s Market on Saturday morning wearing two masks, black socks with tennis shoes and a fanny pack, holding up the line at the waffle stand because he demands gluten-free.
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The curtains continue to be pulled back. This time, Stanford weighs in with an article published by the National Institutes of Health....saying masks simply do not work to prevent the spread of COVID.
Hypoflog and Tibs will be along soon to tell us they in fact work because Morning Joe says they do in fact work.
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The study:
The third type of facemasks are the non-medical cloth or fabric masks. The non-medical facemasks are made from a variety of woven and non-woven materials such as Polypropylene, Cotton, Polyester, Cellulose, Gauze and Silk. Although non-medical cloth or fabric facemasks are neither a medical device nor personal protective equipment, some standards have been developed by the French Standardization Association (AFNOR Group) to define a minimum performance for filtration and breathability capacity [2]. The current article reviews the scientific evidences with respect to safety and efficacy of wearing facemasks, describing the physiological and psychological effects and the potential long-term consequences on health.
Of note, hyperoxia or oxygen supplementation (breathing air with high partial O2 pressures that above the sea levels) has been well established as therapeutic and curative practice for variety acute and chronic conditions including respiratory complications [11], [15]. It fact, the current standard of care practice for treating hospitalized patients with COVID-19 is breathing 100% oxygen [16], [17], [18]. Although several countries mandated wearing facemask in health care settings and public areas, scientific evidences are lacking supporting their efficacy for reducing morbidity or mortality associated with infectious or viral diseases [2], [14], [19]. Therefore, it has been hypothesized: 1) the practice of wearing facemasks has compromised safety and efficacy profile, 2) Both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to reduce human-to-human transmission and infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, 3) Wearing facemasks has adverse physiological and psychological effects, 4) Long-term consequences of wearing facemasks on health are detrimental.
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Eh, read the rest in the link if you doubt "the science."
Hypoflog and Tibs will be along soon to tell us they in fact work because Morning Joe says they do in fact work.
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Stanford study quietly published at NIH.gov proves face masks are absolutely worthless against Covid
Did you hear about the peer-reviewed study done by Stanford University that demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt that face masks
noqreport.com
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The study:
Introduction
Facemasks are part of non-pharmaceutical interventions providing some breathing barrier to the mouth and nose that have been utilized for reducing the transmission of respiratory pathogens [1]. Facemasks can be medical and non-medical, where two types of the medical masks primarily used by healthcare workers [1], [2]. The first type is National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH)-certified N95 mask, a filtering face-piece respirator, and the second type is a surgical mask [1]. The designed and intended uses of N95 and surgical masks are different in the type of protection they potentially provide. The N95s are typically composed of electret filter media and seal tightly to the face of the wearer, whereas surgical masks are generally loose fitting and may or may not contain electret-filtering media. The N95s are designed to reduce the wearer’s inhalation exposure to infectious and harmful particles from the environment such as during extermination of insects. In contrast, surgical masks are designed to provide a barrier protection against splash, spittle and other body fluids to spray from the wearer (such as surgeon) to the sterile environment (patient during operation) for reducing the risk of contamination [1].The third type of facemasks are the non-medical cloth or fabric masks. The non-medical facemasks are made from a variety of woven and non-woven materials such as Polypropylene, Cotton, Polyester, Cellulose, Gauze and Silk. Although non-medical cloth or fabric facemasks are neither a medical device nor personal protective equipment, some standards have been developed by the French Standardization Association (AFNOR Group) to define a minimum performance for filtration and breathability capacity [2]. The current article reviews the scientific evidences with respect to safety and efficacy of wearing facemasks, describing the physiological and psychological effects and the potential long-term consequences on health.
Hypothesis
On January 30, 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) announced a global public health emergency of severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) causing illness of coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19) [3]. As of October 1, 2020, worldwide 34,166,633 cases were reported and 1,018,876 have died with virus diagnosis. Interestingly, 99% of the detected cases with SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic or have mild condition, which contradicts with the virus name (severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus-2) [4]. Although infection fatality rate (number of death cases divided by number of reported cases) initially seems quite high 0.029 (2.9%) [4], this overestimation related to limited number of COVID-19 tests performed which biases towards higher rates. Given the fact that asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times higher than the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate is considerably less than 1% [5]. This was confirmed by the head of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases from US stating, “the overall clinical consequences of COVID-19 are similar to those of severe seasonal influenza” [5], having a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1% [5], [6], [7], [8]. In addition, data from hospitalized patients with COVID-19 and general public indicate that the majority of deaths were among older and chronically ill individuals, supporting the possibility that the virus may exacerbates existing conditions but rarely causes death by itself [9], [10]. SARS-CoV-2 primarily affects respiratory system and can cause complications such as acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), respiratory failure and death [3], [9]. It is not clear however, what the scientific and clinical basis for wearing facemasks as protective strategy, given the fact that facemasks restrict breathing, causing hypoxemia and hypercapnia and increase the risk for respiratory complications, self-contamination and exacerbation of existing chronic conditions [2], [11], [12], [13], [14].Of note, hyperoxia or oxygen supplementation (breathing air with high partial O2 pressures that above the sea levels) has been well established as therapeutic and curative practice for variety acute and chronic conditions including respiratory complications [11], [15]. It fact, the current standard of care practice for treating hospitalized patients with COVID-19 is breathing 100% oxygen [16], [17], [18]. Although several countries mandated wearing facemask in health care settings and public areas, scientific evidences are lacking supporting their efficacy for reducing morbidity or mortality associated with infectious or viral diseases [2], [14], [19]. Therefore, it has been hypothesized: 1) the practice of wearing facemasks has compromised safety and efficacy profile, 2) Both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to reduce human-to-human transmission and infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, 3) Wearing facemasks has adverse physiological and psychological effects, 4) Long-term consequences of wearing facemasks on health are detrimental.
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Conclusion
The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.---------
Eh, read the rest in the link if you doubt "the science."
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Tim, you've been xtra busy these past few weeks (and months), furiously typing away - and doing what seems like endless hours of research - to downplay Covid & prove your claims that none of the mitigation efforts are worth squat.
I suggest you take a brief timeout to address the following. In this case, a timeout would mean not to immediately post multiple colorful charts & graphs and data points to prove some whimsical theory and make a 'gotcha' counter argument. We get that, we've seen it page after page. Just try to answer these rationally, without referencing something other than your own views. You don't even have to answer, just ask yourself these questions, honestly.
Let's try to focus on the big picture:
- if masks aren't effective in stopping - or at the minimum, slowing - the spread, why are there mask mandates in literally every country all over the world?
- if the benefits of social distancing are pure fiction, why have there been lockdowns of schools, bars, restaurants, concert halls, gyms all over the globe, including all of the Western, advanced nations?
- why do you insist on approaching covid strictly through the narrow prism of what's happening in your immediate viscinity, or even your State, or the US itself? Do you not understand this pandemic is worldwide, that literally all nations are dealing with the same thing? The same mitigation efforts, the same economic challenges caused by restrictions & lockdowns, the same loss of jobs, loss of revenues, loss of tourism? The same daunting task of needing massive vaccinations to be able to open up again? As always, there are a few outliers and some exceptions, but try to take a bird's eye view on this.
- what are you trying to achieve, by cherry-picking and amplifying data and relentlessly flooding this board with anti-mask, anti-restriction, anti-shutdown posts as you've done? Do you think Covid will magically go away? Or restrictions will suddenly be lifted, because some government health official catches a glimpse of your posts here at SN? What's the point? What's the end game here? Other than to sow distrust & confusion?
- do you really believe there's a global, worldwide conspiracy that has misled all the scientists, health experts and government officials on the planet? That's tricked them into mandating masks, implementing restrictions, needlessly shutting down the global economy, putting the lives and livelihoods of hundreds of millions of people at risk, unnecessarily? Large sections of the economy, particularly in retail, service & hospitality are in ruins ALL OVER THE GLOBE. You think this is a joke? You think this is Dr. Fauci and the CDC overstepping their bounds and just ******* with Americans for ***** and giggles?
- do you think it's remotely possible, that mask-wearing, social distancing, restrictions on businesses & indoor gatherings AND rolling out vaccinations is not a binary, either/or proposition? That these measures could very well overlap, work in unison, be applied and adjusted over time to gradually help us get through and end this pandemic?
- most importantly, do you at least agree with medical experts, scientists & health officials, that the way out of this mess, the one way to defeat Covid, is widespread vaccination of a large segment of the population? Or do you reject that as well?
- and finally, do you truly believe that if Covid itself wasn't a highly-contagious disease representing a significant, mortal danger to people everywhere, that any of this (see all of the above) would even be happening? If Covid was something akin to a seasonal flu, or some other known illness, you think nation states around the world would be reacting this way, with all the shutdowns, economic ruin and devastation that's already occured? Have you even considered that?
Please take a step back and ponder the above. Not just for our sakes, but for your own.
I suggest you take a brief timeout to address the following. In this case, a timeout would mean not to immediately post multiple colorful charts & graphs and data points to prove some whimsical theory and make a 'gotcha' counter argument. We get that, we've seen it page after page. Just try to answer these rationally, without referencing something other than your own views. You don't even have to answer, just ask yourself these questions, honestly.
Let's try to focus on the big picture:
- if masks aren't effective in stopping - or at the minimum, slowing - the spread, why are there mask mandates in literally every country all over the world?
- if the benefits of social distancing are pure fiction, why have there been lockdowns of schools, bars, restaurants, concert halls, gyms all over the globe, including all of the Western, advanced nations?
- why do you insist on approaching covid strictly through the narrow prism of what's happening in your immediate viscinity, or even your State, or the US itself? Do you not understand this pandemic is worldwide, that literally all nations are dealing with the same thing? The same mitigation efforts, the same economic challenges caused by restrictions & lockdowns, the same loss of jobs, loss of revenues, loss of tourism? The same daunting task of needing massive vaccinations to be able to open up again? As always, there are a few outliers and some exceptions, but try to take a bird's eye view on this.
- what are you trying to achieve, by cherry-picking and amplifying data and relentlessly flooding this board with anti-mask, anti-restriction, anti-shutdown posts as you've done? Do you think Covid will magically go away? Or restrictions will suddenly be lifted, because some government health official catches a glimpse of your posts here at SN? What's the point? What's the end game here? Other than to sow distrust & confusion?
- do you really believe there's a global, worldwide conspiracy that has misled all the scientists, health experts and government officials on the planet? That's tricked them into mandating masks, implementing restrictions, needlessly shutting down the global economy, putting the lives and livelihoods of hundreds of millions of people at risk, unnecessarily? Large sections of the economy, particularly in retail, service & hospitality are in ruins ALL OVER THE GLOBE. You think this is a joke? You think this is Dr. Fauci and the CDC overstepping their bounds and just ******* with Americans for ***** and giggles?
- do you think it's remotely possible, that mask-wearing, social distancing, restrictions on businesses & indoor gatherings AND rolling out vaccinations is not a binary, either/or proposition? That these measures could very well overlap, work in unison, be applied and adjusted over time to gradually help us get through and end this pandemic?
- most importantly, do you at least agree with medical experts, scientists & health officials, that the way out of this mess, the one way to defeat Covid, is widespread vaccination of a large segment of the population? Or do you reject that as well?
- and finally, do you truly believe that if Covid itself wasn't a highly-contagious disease representing a significant, mortal danger to people everywhere, that any of this (see all of the above) would even be happening? If Covid was something akin to a seasonal flu, or some other known illness, you think nation states around the world would be reacting this way, with all the shutdowns, economic ruin and devastation that's already occured? Have you even considered that?
Please take a step back and ponder the above. Not just for our sakes, but for your own.
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Don't be like these fools.
Ted Nugent, last week: COVID is a hoax.
Ted Nugent, this week: I have COVID
www.nme.com
Big Time COVID Conspiracy Nut from Norway Infects Others then Dies of COVID
Ted Nugent, last week: COVID is a hoax.
Ted Nugent, this week: I have COVID
Ted Nugent has caught COVID-19 after calling it "not a real pandemic"
After branding it as fake, Ted Nugent has contracted coronavirus. "I thought I was dying," the singer said of his symptoms.
www.nme.com
Big Time COVID Conspiracy Nut from Norway Infects Others then Dies of COVID
Part of our argument with fighting osha citations.
Key Points
Question Is the use of N95 respirators or medical masks more effective in preventing influenza infection among outpatient health care personnel in close contact with patients with suspected respiratory illness?
Findings In this pragmatic, cluster randomized clinical trial involving 2862 health care personnel, there was no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among health care personnel with the use of N95 respirators (8.2%) vs medical masks (7.2%
jamanetwork.com
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Question Is the use of N95 respirators or medical masks more effective in preventing influenza infection among outpatient health care personnel in close contact with patients with suspected respiratory illness?
Findings In this pragmatic, cluster randomized clinical trial involving 2862 health care personnel, there was no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among health care personnel with the use of N95 respirators (8.2%) vs medical masks (7.2%
N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Laboratory-Confirmed Influenza in Health Care Personnel
This cluster randomized clinical trial compares the effect of N95 respirators vs medical masks worn by health care personnel for prevention of workplace-acquired influenza and other viral respiratory infections in geographically diverse, high-exposure outpatient settings.
jamanetwork.com
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The Wuhan virus isn’t a hoax. The hoax part is that it is a world chilling plague that we must give up all our basic liberties and allow government functionaries to control us or we will all die.Don't be like these fools.
Ted Nugent, last week: COVID is a hoax.
Ted Nugent, this week: I have COVID
Ted Nugent has caught COVID-19 after calling it "not a real pandemic"
After branding it as fake, Ted Nugent has contracted coronavirus. "I thought I was dying," the singer said of his symptoms.
Big Time COVID Conspiracy Nut from Norway Infects Others then Dies of COVID
and again - and again - and again - no one has said Covid is not real. Well, maybe Indy has just to **** with you, but ...
the response MANDATED by the governments around the world does not mesh with the science, if you follow it - as well as how detrimental to society these mandates are.
you've been shown this, and shown proven data that corresponds to the deaths. yet you still insist everyone fit in a bubble. yet you carry on, fighting through facts because your version of fiction is what you hold as the truth.
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LOL! You’re kidding right? My (very well established and often repeated) argument is that SD (definitely NOT densely populated) should NOT have high case rates. Densely populated areas are naturally at a disadvantage in managing a CONTAGIOUS disease. Density and cases SHOULD go hand in hand. If sparsely populated areas (like SD) have comparatively higher case rates, they obviously did something wrong. Again, what can logically explain high case rates in rural, sparsely populated areas? Is it not counterintuitive?It's just how you roll Hypoflog. You make stupid statements like that. "California is densely populated" then try to walk it back and say "well not that densely populated."
Using your logic I can make bullshit claims like Nevada is densely populated....and when you retort no it's not I can say sure it is, it's more densely populated than Nebraska, Idaho, North & South Dakota, New Mexico...so see, it's densely populated.
My house is densely populated I guess too.
You tried to make a claim about California's density (because you've made the argument that the more dense a place is, the more the virus must spread). You tried supporting that lockdowns work by saying "Well CA has low cases now AND they are densely populated so....."
But even that logic fails...density equals higher cases. The first map Floggy is the high density areas of California....you know, the Bay area, LA, San Diego. Those are the little RED areas on this first map. Got it???
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Now here is the COVID map by Counties. Keeping this simple....the RED areas are where COVID is the worst...ok??? Now both maps show county lines and if you know geography then you'll recognize where LA and SD and SF are right???
Again I think a monkey could look at this and see the following...some of the COVID hot spots ARE where the population density is....1/2 of the LA are is hard hit, the rest is not (Santa Barbara County is, Ventura is not). PART of the bay area is hard hit, the rest is not.
Yet what an amazing portion of GREEN california is RED from COVID cases.........look at all that area in unpopulated eastern CA that is red, or the upper northwest of CA, or the middle part of the state that is lightly populated.
Cases are NOT following a correlated pattern which is higher population = higher cases. In some areas yes, in others...NO.
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Your argument that density and cases seem to go hand in hand doesn't really go hand in hand.
Now, back to your follow on conjectures.
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Well then at least frame your argument in the proper context.
You guys disagree with how governments all around the world have handled this, Germany, Italy, France, England Spain, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Argentina, Mexico and on and on.
You're suggesting all the researchers, medical experts and public health officials in all these countries collectively don't know their heads from their ***** and are just aimlessly shutting down their economies, instilling mask mandates, restricting travel, affecting hundreds of millions of people. Because they're just dumb as **** and have nothing better to do.
And on top of that, you also don't like what the US government has done, not under Trump, nor under Biden. The American CDC is just as dumb as all the other countries.
Namely, everyone around the world is dumb as ****, who's in a position of authority to address this pandemic.
But Larry, Curly and Moe on the SN messageboard have it all figured out. You guys simply outclass and outshine all the world's scientists, researchers, medical experts and public health officials put together. You've cracked this case a looong time ago, and are way ahead of the curve.
I think I'm beginning to understand the sentiment around here. Sorry it's taken me this long to wrap my head around it.
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i'm going to type as slowly as I can and put this in the correct context frame for you to understand.
is you be read words from Stanford study?
See Supe's reply. See all of mine previously. See the studies - they ARE scientific. Not "the science" you're hearing about that tells you to do things.
Ever stopped and wondered when they say "listen to 'the science'" - what science are they referring to? Do they ever say anything more than "studies show?" No. Rarely maybe. I just hear PSAs and see commercials and they say "according to the science..." Hmmm. What science do they refer to...ever?
I'm sorry you don't like the facts I continue to find. Funny thing is, I just read the news. I'm not digging. This **** is typically front page stuff on news aggregator services. It's there if you choose to read, to learn.
I've investigated and the reality is suggesting wearing masks was guesswork on nations' parts. No one knew what COVID was. So we threw everything at the wall hoping. Remember, farts carried COVID, it lived on cardboard, you could carry it into your house on your shoes and masks would help prevent the spread. Masking was a preventative hope. They didn't know it would or it wouldn't...
Now as data continues to emerge, it appears masking simply does not do a damn thing.
I know this hurts for you to read. No one likes to be bamboozled. No one likes to hear the CDC say to wear masks only to hear the CDC say mask wearing is ineffective.
Finally, I've never said this isn't real. But you are epically famous for putting words in people's mouths. COVID is real. I don't deny it. I had a close friend in the hospital - an ardent mask wearer and someone who rarely left the house. I know its real. However, and to Supe's point, the reaction to this virus has been an epic over-reaction and the choices this country and global countries made are turning out in hindsight to have been either wrong or highly ineffective.
You can be a science denier all you want Tibs. You're a facts denier too, so it will fit.
I've put the data out there. Standford ******* University man. The CDC. The European CDC. Medical researchers from all over the globe. You can continue to deny these facts and real science all you want that's your prerogative.
By the way, a twisted demented member here made a great point - for someone bitching about how much I've been typing, you sure have posted Encyclopedia Brittanica in the past couple days alone.
Carry on HyopTibs.
Consensus once was the earth was flat.
14 months or so into this, the Standfords of the world, the medical scientists and researchers are showing....masks don't work.
Tibs, for once...pull your head from your dirty *** and take the time to read that article. Focus on the micron sizes. They now know the sizes of COVID in microns. And the mesh sizes of masks.
Remember people joke that wearing a mask for COVID was like putting up a chain link fence to stop mosquitoes? Yeah...Stanford proved it.
"But the Consensus says Masks Do Be Effective." <---Tibs
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Finally, I asked you simple questions a couple days ago, questions you have REFUSED to answer. Yet you come here asking for answers. I've answered yours. Take the time to answer mine.
Why are states with no lockdowns and no mask mandates faring better than or equal to states here in the US with them?
(please answer. Fauci struggles mightily with this one too)
TSF, Ted Nugent and some guy in Norway got the Chinese flu, so that completely disproves the numerous research studies you have cited about masks and the Chinese flu.
Further, Dr. Fauci's most recent comment - not the first one, or the amended one, or the modified amended one, or the later revised amended modified one, or the new updated revised amended modified one - about the vaccine and masks says he disagrees, or maybe not agrees, or is not sure, or kinda agrees but not fully, and then completely disputes the data you provide comparing panic-lockdown states with states that re-opened in the middle to latter part of 2020.
Cuz science.
Further, Dr. Fauci's most recent comment - not the first one, or the amended one, or the modified amended one, or the later revised amended modified one, or the new updated revised amended modified one - about the vaccine and masks says he disagrees, or maybe not agrees, or is not sure, or kinda agrees but not fully, and then completely disputes the data you provide comparing panic-lockdown states with states that re-opened in the middle to latter part of 2020.
Cuz science.
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Lol, you didn't answer a single question I posed in earnest, but no worries, I didn't expect you to.
Oh, ok thanks. If you say so, I will.
Hmmm?Don't be like these fools.
Ted Nugent, last week: COVID is a hoax.
Ted Nugent, this week: I have COVID
Ted Nugent has caught COVID-19 after calling it "not a real pandemic"
After branding it as fake, Ted Nugent has contracted coronavirus. "I thought I was dying," the singer said of his symptoms.
Big Time COVID Conspiracy Nut from Norway Infects Others then Dies of COVID
You sure Ted Nugent just doesn't have a severe case of Cat Scratch Fever!?!
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Yes, I found ‘em for you!
Being the exemplary medical scholar and researcher that you are, why not ask your questions from folks who can give you some credible answers?
You know, have some peer-to-peer discussions with others of your ilk & caliber. Why waste your time thrashing around like a fish out of water on some dumb sports messageoboard?
Let us know once you’ve returned from your intellectual journey to uncover the truth, and nothing but the truth.
Feel free to use any of these, at your convenience. Godspeed, Tim!
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When you disingenuously enter a debate, refuse to answer questions posed first to you, then demand the other answers yours....well, that **** don't fly.
Why are free and open states without mask mandates fairing better to or equal to those still locked down/masking? Why are 77% of the top 30 US states with cases spiking lockdown/masking states?
Feel free to continue not to answer.