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The Coronavirus thread

We had 96 new deaths from COVID today.

In other news, it's July 4th weekend and more victims may die on the South Side of Chicago in shootings in 3 days.
 
We had 96 new deaths from COVID today.

In other news, it's July 4th weekend and more victims may die on the South Side of Chicago in shootings in 3 days.
I work for a large national funeral home corporation and for the past year and a half we have to text how many Covid cases we've had in the past 24 hours to our regional manager every morning. Past two months almost everyone has been reporting goose eggs almost every day so as of July 1 we don't have to do that or a monthly report anymore.
 
video: TiboRAT giving his opinion on SN and Flog giving him a "like"

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The family and I went out tonight for dinner. 3rd time in a week.

In UBER Liberal Maryland. And not just in UBER Liberal Maryland, but in the most LIBERAL county in Maryland where face diapers still are apparent frequently.

Yet...in the past week....when dining....so few are wearing them.

Tonight, at our restaurant/bar/grill, there were probably a hundred people inside. Not ONE mask. Nowhere. None of the staff had them. Music was playing. The bar was packed for a local 4th weekend with so many out of town.

People living free.

What the news show you and what reality is are two different things.
 
What the news show you and what reality is are two different things.
This is the understatement of the year. On just about every subject the news reports, it isn't nearly as bad as they perpetuate.
 
Fantastic read. Which also supports what the intelligent among us have been saying along. One, we've been played. Two, it's about obesity.


In 1981, doctors in New York and Los Angeles saw healthy young men sicken and die within months, their immune systems apparently destroyed.

The deaths set off a frantic search for the culprit. By 1983 virologists had identified a novel pathogen they would call Human Immunodeficiency Virus.

Over the next decade, scientists learned much more about HIV, which early on had a fatality rate close to 100 percent, worse even than Ebola or smallpox. Ultimately they tamed it - perhaps the greatest success for scientific and medical research in the late 20th century.

But the political story of AIDS is much trickier. Scientists realized quickly that gay men and intravenous drug users were at far higher risk of contracting HIV than the general public. But they feared people might not support funding for AIDS research - and stigmatize those groups further - if they explained that reality openly.

So they didn’t.

As Smithsonian Magazine reported in 2013:

“Federally-funded campaigns sought to address a large number of people from all backgrounds--male, female, homosexual or heterosexual. The America Responds to AIDS campaign, created by the CDC, ran from 1987 to 1996 and became a central part of the "everyone is at risk" message…”

The deception probably increased the public’s willingness to fund research. But it came with serious side effects. Smithsonian went on to explain:

“Some AIDS organizations, especially those providing service to communities at the highest risk for contracting HIV, saw the campaign as diverting money and attention away from the communities that needed it the most.”

It also caused needless fear in people at vanishingly low risk, especially heterosexual women.

Perhaps most important, it was fundamentally untrue.

That fact should matter to anyone who believes truth - even unpleasant truth - ought to drive public policy decisions.

Which brings us to COVID.

SARS-COV-2 isn’t even in the same time zone as HIV as a killer. But it is like HIV in one crucial way. It plays favorites.

After a year, most of us know that the elderly are at much higher risk from coronavirus (though even well-informed people may not be aware HOW much higher the risk is).

But what public health authorities have gone out of their way to obscure is how much obesity - especially severe obesity - drives the risk of the coronavirus in younger people.

In April, British researchers published a definitive paper on the subject in The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology, a peer-reviewed journal. The researchers examined the medical records of almost 7 million people in England to look at the link between obesity and severe outcomes from Covid, including hospitalization and death.

The topline findings show only a moderate link between extra weight and Covid risk. But when the researchers looked more closely, they found that’s because in older people, being overweight does NOT drive excess risk.

So the researchers divided the patients into four age ranges: 20-39, 40-59, 60-79, and over 80. They found that in the two younger groups - including adults up to age 60 - being obese was associated with nearly ALL the risk that Covid would lead to intensive care or death. The findings held even after they adjusted for many different potential confounding factors, like smoking, non-weight-related illnesses, and wealth.

The excess risk was extremely high even for people who weren’t morbidly obese - defined as a body-mass index of 40 or more. A person between 40 and 60 with a BMI of 35 - someone who is 230 pounds and 5’8” - had about five times the risk of dying of Covid of a person of normal weight. For younger adults, the excess risk was even higher, and for morbidly obese people even higher still.

In contrast, people of normal weight under 40 are at essentially no risk of death from Covid. The researchers found their rate to be under 1 in 10,000 per year. Even in the 40 to 59 age range, normal-weight adults had an annual risk well under 1 in 1,000.


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The researchers did not include those stunning findings in the main body of the paper, only its appendix. Still, they were clear in their discussion about the overall results:

“Our findings from this large population-based cohort emphasise that excess weight is associated with substantially increased risks of severe COVID-19 outcomes, and one of the most important modifiable risk factors identified to date.”

In fact, the findings suggest that for people under 60, weight loss would be the single best way to reduce the risk of Covid - probably even more than a vaccine (and with no side effects).

But of course you haven’t heard about this paper.

No one has. The public health establishment has decided that an honest discussion of who is really at risk from Covid might smack of victim-blaming - just as it did a generation ago with HIV.

This time, though, we haven’t just frightened a bunch of people at essentially no risk. Our viral lockdown theater has been far more destructive, for kids who have lost a year of school and everyone else. In one final irony, lockdown-related weight gain may have actually worsened the risks last year.


It’s long past time to tell the truth.
 
The Delta variant is no different than COVID. Once again the media and government agencies are trying to hype it up as something to fear.


Although the delta variant is very contagious, there isn’t much reason to be more concerned about it than other strains, according to Dr. Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.

“[The delta variant] doesn’t seem to cause more severe disease and vaccines are still effective against this variant,” Gandhi told the Daily Caller. “It seems as if public health officials are trying to motivate vaccine uptake by discussing the delta variant in these terms.”

Dr. Amesh Adalja, senior fellow at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, generally agrees. “The delta variant is the most contagious version of the virus that is known to exist. By simple Darwinian principles, it will become dominant,” he told the Daily Caller. “However, in the U.S. over three-quarters of those above the age of 65 — who comprise the highest rates of hospitalization and death — are fully vaccinated so delta cases will be decoupled from systemic hospital crisis.”

Gandhi doesn’t see a new wave coming. “This strain is leading to increased cases among the unvaccinated in countries with high rates of vaccination (UK, Israel, some parts of the US) but — given high rates of immunity in these countries — it will not cause a major surge,” she said. “There are also cases among the vaccinated but those are often asymptomatic or mild. In fact, cases are increasingly being ‘uncoupled’ from severe disease in light of increasing vaccination rates in these countries so cases have gone up in Israel and the UK without concomitant increases in hospitalizations or deaths.”

Throughout the pandemic, U.S. public health officials have been reluctant to acknowledge the role natural immunity could play in ending the pandemic. The CDC has not issued behavioral guidance for survivors of COVID-19, despite growing evidence that natural immunity grants substantial protection against the pathogen.

“Natural immunity seems to be very protective against re-infection with COVID-19 even with the delta variant,” Gandhi said. “This is likely because our T cell response to natural infection (or vaccines) is very robust and in-breadth, with multiple T cells forming against the entire spike protein so that mutations along the protein cannot evade the breadth of the T cell response.”
 
The Delta variant is no different than COVID. Once again the media and government agencies are trying to hype it up as something to fear.


Although the delta variant is very contagious, there isn’t much reason to be more concerned about it than other strains, according to Dr. Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.

“[The delta variant] doesn’t seem to cause more severe disease and vaccines are still effective against this variant,” Gandhi told the Daily Caller. “It seems as if public health officials are trying to motivate vaccine uptake by discussing the delta variant in these terms.”

Dr. Amesh Adalja, senior fellow at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, generally agrees. “The delta variant is the most contagious version of the virus that is known to exist. By simple Darwinian principles, it will become dominant,” he told the Daily Caller. “However, in the U.S. over three-quarters of those above the age of 65 — who comprise the highest rates of hospitalization and death — are fully vaccinated so delta cases will be decoupled from systemic hospital crisis.”

Gandhi doesn’t see a new wave coming. “This strain is leading to increased cases among the unvaccinated in countries with high rates of vaccination (UK, Israel, some parts of the US) but — given high rates of immunity in these countries — it will not cause a major surge,” she said. “There are also cases among the vaccinated but those are often asymptomatic or mild. In fact, cases are increasingly being ‘uncoupled’ from severe disease in light of increasing vaccination rates in these countries so cases have gone up in Israel and the UK without concomitant increases in hospitalizations or deaths.”

Throughout the pandemic, U.S. public health officials have been reluctant to acknowledge the role natural immunity could play in ending the pandemic. The CDC has not issued behavioral guidance for survivors of COVID-19, despite growing evidence that natural immunity grants substantial protection against the pathogen.

“Natural immunity seems to be very protective against re-infection with COVID-19 even with the delta variant,” Gandhi said. “This is likely because our T cell response to natural infection (or vaccines) is very robust and in-breadth, with multiple T cells forming against the entire spike protein so that mutations along the protein cannot evade the breadth of the T cell response.”
JFC. “Reluctant to acknowledge the role natural immunity could play in ending the pandemic.” Your Goddamn right! Because it requires that people first contract Covid. Definitely not the way to go about ending a pandemic.
 
Speaking of the flu, it's been recorded as being around since the time of Hippocrates - but I haven't heard much about it since this pesky Covid thing came along.

Did it just magically go away?
 
JFC. “Reluctant to acknowledge the role natural immunity could play in ending the pandemic.” Your Goddamn right! Because it requires that people first contract Covid. Definitely not the way to go about ending a pandemic.

Stupid Episode 13,972 presented to you by HypoFlog.

Fact: We have had 34,592,415 documented cases in the USA.
Fact: The CDC now strongly estimates that for every case "diagnosed" we've had 4.6x that amount undiagnosed.

Therefore: Over 161Million Americans have natural immunity.

That is what your dumbass side ignores...161 Million people don't need the vax. Coupled with those that have had the vax...it's damn near 100% of America now.

Why do you all ignore this EXISTING natural immunity? Politics. You love the lockdowns.
 
The family and I went out tonight for dinner. 3rd time in a week.

In UBER Liberal Maryland. And not just in UBER Liberal Maryland, but in the most LIBERAL county in Maryland where face diapers still are apparent frequently.

Yet...in the past week....when dining....so few are wearing them.

Tonight, at our restaurant/bar/grill, there were probably a hundred people inside. Not ONE mask. Nowhere. None of the staff had them. Music was playing. The bar was packed for a local 4th weekend with so many out of town.

People living free.

What the news show you and what reality is are two different things.
Been like that here in Montana since day 1
 
Been like that here in Montana since day 1

Yeah well sadly I live in the MOST liberal county in one of the MOST liberal states in the union. The good news is that even in this Liberal cess-pool, 80-90% of residents I see have given up the face diapers.
 
Flog might want to get some tissue and hand lotion.


JERUSALEM, July 5 (Reuters) - Israel reported on Monday a decrease in the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in preventing infections and symptomatic illness but said it remained highly effective in preventing serious illness.

The decline coincided with the spread of the Delta variant and the end of social distancing restrictions in Israel.

Vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% since June 6, the Health Ministry said. At the same time the vaccine was 93% effective in preventing hospitalizations and serious illness from the coronavirus.

The ministry in its statement did not say what the previous level was or provide any further details. However ministry officials published a report in May that two doses of Pfizer's vaccine provided more than 95% protection against infection, hospitalization and severe illness.


A Pfizer spokesperson declined to comment on the data from Israel, but cited other research showing that antibodies elicited by the vaccine were still able to neutralize all tested variants, including Delta, albeit at reduced strength.

About 60% of Israel's 9.3 million population have received at least one shot of Pfizer's vaccine in a campaign that saw daily cases drop from more than 10,000 in January to single digits last month.

This spurred Israel to drop nearly all social distancing as well as the requirement to wear masks, though the latter was partially reimposed in recent days. At the same time Delta, which has become a globally dominant variant of the coronavirus, began to spread.


Since then daily cases have gradually risen, reaching 343 on Sunday. The number of seriously ill rose to 35 from 21.
 
Stupid Episode 13,972 presented to you by HypoFlog.

Fact: We have had 34,592,415 documented cases in the USA.
Fact: The CDC now strongly estimates that for every case "diagnosed" we've had 4.6x that amount undiagnosed.

Therefore: Over 161Million Americans have natural immunity.

That is what your dumbass side ignores...161 Million people don't need the vax. Coupled with those that have had the vax...it's damn near 100% of America now.

Why do you all ignore this EXISTING natural immunity? Politics. You love the lockdowns.
Stupid is thinking those that had Covid and those that got the vaccine are mutually exclusive and therefor can be added together. Proof that you never really think something through, you just throw nonsensical conclusions and misinformation out there.
 
JFC. “Reluctant to acknowledge the role natural immunity could play in ending the pandemic.” Your Goddamn right! Because it requires that people first contract Covid. Definitely not the way to go about ending a pandemic.

Seemed to work for The Spanish Flu in 1918. So why are you so reluctant to believe natural immunity plays no part in this? Vaccines (not available in 1918), good hygiene, and acquired immunity will render this virus, like those of the past, as yesterdays news. Dismissing the role of natural immunity seems a bit shortsighted.
 
Stupid is thinking those that had Covid and those that got the vaccine are mutually exclusive and therefor can be added together. Proof that you never really think something through, you just throw nonsensical conclusions and misinformation out there.

No they are not mutually exclusive. I'm using the "Counting COVID Deaths" approach. Slice it up any way you want son. You could make the incorrect assumption all 35 million who HAD the virus also got the vaccine (this isn't the case, nor is it close to it).

Let's recalculate for the dumbest among us:

35 million infected = 35 million immune
4.6x those infected have had COVID (per the CDC) - (35Million x 4.6) = 161Million have natural immunity
(158M Americans vaccinated) - (35M Americans infected + vaccinated) = 123M Americans Vaccinated

Simple math Floggy: 35 Million infected + 161 Assumed infected + 123M vaccinated = 319M Americans

USA Population = 331 Million.

96.4% of our population has natural or vaccinated immunity OR both making the assumption that 100% of those who had COVID also got vaccinated.

The above is an impossible scenario. It's also the worst case scenario. Likelihood is we have closer to 97% of our population with some form of immunity.

Stupid and dangerous is you being this stupid. And ignoring natural immunity.

Now you can walk away....or you have two choices: argue that math isn't math, or argue that the CDC's 4.6 estimation is wrong and condemn the CDC. Even if you halve their estimate, we are still way beyond 75% of Americans having some form of immunity.
 
Tim your math proves itself wrong, you can't have a current 96.4% immunity and have daily cases like this July 1, 17K+, July 2 18K+.
If the US has 96.4% immunity, daily cases would be near zero.
 
Tim your math proves itself wrong, you can't have a current 96.4% immunity and have daily cases like this July 1, 17K+, July 2 18K+.
If the US has 96.4% immunity, daily cases would be near zero.
so you're saying the CDC is incorrect in reporting it's math or you have another source? link?
 
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