The Coronavirus thread

[Troglodyte]

No they are not mutually exclusive. I'm using the "Counting COVID Deaths" approach. Slice it up any way you want son. You could make the incorrect assumption all 35 million who HAD the virus also got the vaccine (this isn't the case, nor is it close to it).

Let's recalculate for the dumbest among us:

35 million infected = 35 million immune
4.6x those infected have had COVID (per the CDC) - (35Million x 4.6) = 161Million have natural immunity
(158M Americans vaccinated) - (35M Americans infected + vaccinated) = 123M Americans Vaccinated

Simple math Floggy: 35 Million infected + 161 Assumed infected + 123M vaccinated = 319M Americans

USA Population = 331 Million.

96.4% of our population has natural or vaccinated immunity OR both making the assumption that 100% of those who had COVID also got vaccinated.​

The above is an impossible scenario. It's also the worst case scenario. Likelihood is we have closer to 97% of our population with some form of immunity.

Stupid and dangerous is you being this stupid. And ignoring natural immunity.

Now you can walk away....or you have two choices: argue that math isn't math, or argue that the CDC's 4.6 estimation is wrong and condemn the CDC. Even if you halve their estimate, we are still way beyond 75% of Americans having some form of immunity.

LOL! Wow! You simply don’t get it! I didn’t say anything about how mutually INCLUSIVE they are, nobody knows. However, You are indeed assuming those things are mutually exclusive. Otherwise, you wouldn’t simply add them together. ******* idiot!

We wouldn’t see anywhere near 13k new cases/day when 96% are immune. If I thought you’d understand the odds of having that many new daily cases when only 4% of the population is vulnerable, I’d explain them to you.

 

[Steelworth]

LOL! Wow! You simply don’t get it! I didn’t say anything about how mutually INCLUSIVE they are, nobody knows. However, You are indeed assuming those things are mutually exclusive. Otherwise, you wouldn’t simply add them together. ******* idiot!

We wouldn’t see anywhere near 13k new cases/day when 96% are immune. If I thought you’d understand the odds of having that many new daily cases when only 4% of the population is vulnerable, I’d explain them to you.

Do your testicles clamber up regularly like a Venetian blind? Do you wear a biohazard suit when you go outside (assuming you do go outside)? LOL! Wow! CRAZY. FloggedbyFauci™

Oh yeah, what happened to that flu that's been around millennium?

 

[IndySteel]

Do your testicles clamber up regularly like a Venetian blind? Do you wear a biohazard suit when you go outside (assuming you do go outside)? LOL! Wow! CRAZY. FloggedbyFauci™

Oh yeah, what happened to that flu that's been around millennium?

They couldn’t use “the flu” as the reason for stealing the election by flooding key states with fake mail-in ballots.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

If they are that many new cases , then a large portion of reported or diagnosed cases was total bull ****. So which is it? Tim is either right or they have been lying all along about total number of cases from the start. Which most of us on here have been saying from the beginning.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Tim your math proves itself wrong, you can't have a current 96.4% immunity and have daily cases like this July 1, 17K+, July 2 18K+.
If the US has 96.4% immunity, daily cases would be near zero.

Are you that slow? Just because you have the vacc or previous infected does NOT mean you can’t test positive again.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

I have countless workers comp claims for employees that are fully vaccinated and tested positive again. Why did we capture that? Not because they were sick or showing symptoms, because we test so ******* much.

 

[Steelworth]

Not because they were sick or showing symptoms, because we test so ******* much.

How many times did they have to test that PGA golfer, Jon Rahm? 5 ******* times. Because the first 4 negative tests just weren't enough.

So sick of this fear porn they've become infatuated with already. If you're morbidly obese, have multiple comorbidities or are elderly, be careful like you would with the flu. Everybody else - eat healthy, be sensical, take vitamins, probiotics etc. and stop with the nonsense. Too much money to make and they're in too deep now though.

Just an aside, does everybody see the hundreds of new medications they plaster all over the TV all the time? For every little ache and pain imaginable. And you ever catch a good listen of the potential side effects? And they were actually refusing to administer or research hydroxychloroquine for Covid, a drug that's been FDA approved for decades and has been administered to children and pregnant women for god's sake. Downright criminal.

 

[bornafan]

Just an aside, does everybody see the hundreds of new medications they plaster all over the TV all the time? For every little ache and pain imaginable. And you ever catch a good listen of the potential side effects? And they were actually refusing to administer or research hydroxychloroquine for Covid, a drug that's been FDA approved for decades and has been administered to children and pregnant women for god's sake. Downright criminal.

Have always been baffled by the need to advertise (excessively) for drugs/medications that require a prescription from a doctor, presumably post-diagnosis.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Have always been baffled by the need to advertise (excessively) for drugs/medications that require a prescription from a doctor, presumably post-diagnosis.

Easy.

 

[Steeltime]

We wouldn’t see anywhere near 13k new cases/day when 96% are immune. If I thought you’d understand the odds of having that many new daily cases when only 4% of the population is vulnerable, I’d explain them to you.

As usual, you are just making **** up. First, "positive tests" don't mean the person has the Chinese flu. How many false positives are in your numbers? Yeah, you have no ******* idea. Idiot.

Second, 4% of the world's third-most populous nation (yeah, that's us) is 13,200,000 people.

So you think it is mathematically "impossible" for 13,000 people to test positive? That is a mere 1% of the population TSF referenced.

******* morons. Leave the math to adults, attorneys and Ark.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

LOL! Wow! You simply don’t get it! I didn’t say anything about how mutually INCLUSIVE they are, nobody knows. However, You are indeed assuming those things are mutually exclusive. Otherwise, you wouldn’t simply add them together. ******* idiot!

We wouldn’t see anywhere near 13k new cases/day when 96% are immune. If I thought you’d understand the odds of having that many new daily cases when only 4% of the population is vulnerable, I’d explain them to you.

So you went EXACTLY where I predicted you would, denying facts that are not mine. I'm merely relaying them.

35Million American have had COVID. They have natural immunity. Prove that wrong.
The CDC itself said for every infection, 4.6 more infections happened that weren't confirmed via testing. Prove that wrong.
158Million Americans have been vaccinated. Prove that wrong.

All of those are facts. Truth. Add it up anyway you like. At a minimum, 319Million Americans have the vax or natural immunity.

Prove it wrong. Go on. We will wait.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Tim your math proves itself wrong, you can't have a current 96.4% immunity and have daily cases like this July 1, 17K+, July 2 18K+.
If the US has 96.4% immunity, daily cases would be near zero.

It's not my math.

Do you not believe that 158Million Americans have had the vaccine?
Do you not believe that 35Million Americans have been infected by the virus?
Do you not believe the CDC when they say that for every positive COVID case there were 4.6x more undetected?

The CDC assumes flu rates every year that go undetected. They now have an assumed figure for COVID.

You tell me where the discrepancies lie. You all keep talking about "But cases couldn't be this high."

Those data points above are facts. I'm dealing in facts. You're dealing in conjecture.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Just an aside, does everybody see the hundreds of new medications they plaster all over the TV all the time? For every little ache and pain imaginable. And you ever catch a good listen of the potential side effects?

Again, pay attention Flog, ALL medications have side effects. In choosing to take them, because no one forces you to, yet, one must weight the benefits of taking the man made substances verses the risk. Open a package insert for aspirin, and you would have second thoughts about taking it.

 

[Steeltime]

Again, pay attention Flog, ALL medications have side effects. In choosing to take them, because no one forces you to, yet, on must weight the benefits of taking the man made substances verses the risk. Open a package insert for aspirin, and you would have second thoughts about taking it.

Floggy and Tiborat ignore those lengthy prescription warnings since (1) that's a lot of reading and (2) they think those warnings come from wHyTe So0PrEmEcIsTs

 

[Tibs]

One of the more underappreciated aspects of this thread, and the entire forum, is the frequency and consistency with which Troglodyte takes the Covid skeptics & Covid deniers (aka the dumbass MAGA crew) behind the woodshed and gives them a thorough spanking. It’s so refreshing to see facts & science win out, time and again, over lunatic fringe conspiracies. There is hope yet, for the future of this great nation.

 

[Tibs]

The TimSteelersfan special:

 

[Badcat]

One of the more underappreciated aspects of this thread, and the entire forum, is the frequency and consistency with which Troglodyte takes the Covid skeptics & Covid deniers (aka the dumbass MAGA crew) behind the woodshed and gives them a thorough spanking. It’s so refreshing to see facts & science win out, time and again, over lunatic fringe conspiracies. There is hope yet, for the future of this great nation.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Trog hasn't provided one fact. Not a one. Just because you "feel" like you're correct doesn't make it so. **** your feelings. Provide reliable facts like Tim and Steelworth. We've been waiting for 533 pages in this thread alone.

 

[Tibs]

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Trog hasn't provided one fact. Not a one. Just because you "feel" like you're correct doesn't make it so. **** your feelings. Provide reliable facts like Tim and Steelworth. We've been waiting for 533 pages in this thread alone.

Lol, such a tool. Sane, reasonable adults don’t come to fringe conspiracy forums like this to find ‘reliable facts’ concerning a worldwide pandemic. Those reliable facts are all out there, in plain sight. No wonder Tim & Steeltime have such an easy time leading you around by your noses.

 

[Badcat]

Lol, such a tool. Sane, reasonable adults don’t come to fringe conspiracy forums like this to find ‘reliable facts’ concerning a worldwide pandemic. Those reliable facts are all out there, in plain sight. No wonder Tim & Steeltime have such an easy time leading you around by your noses.

Still waiting on any facts you and your little butt buddy care to share. You don't get to spew bullshit and say "the facts are out there". Make a statement and back it up. pretty simple to do when there are facts to back up your statements. You have none. Again, **** your feelings.

 

[Tibs]

So sad.

 

[Troglodyte]

As usual, you are just making **** up. First, "positive tests" don't mean the person has the Chinese flu. How many false positives are in your numbers? Yeah, you have no ******* idea. Idiot.

Second, 4% of the world's third-most populous nation (yeah, that's us) is 13,200,000 people.

So you think it is mathematically "impossible" for 13,000 people to test positive? That is a mere 1% of the population TSF referenced.

******* morons. Leave the math to adults, attorneys and Ark.

No dipshit. How many of the 4% are currently infected with Covid? Even if it’s 5%, that’s one out of every 500 people that are even capable of spreading the virus to others. Now, how many people does the average person come in contact with on a daily basis? You’re talking about 1 in every 25 people coming in contact with that 1 in every 500 people, 13,000 times every day. How the ****? Leave the math to the adults? How about the qualified? What qualified person is saying 96% are immune?

 

[Troglodyte]

So you went EXACTLY where I predicted you would, denying facts that are not mine. I'm merely relaying them.

35Million American have had COVID. They have natural immunity. Prove that wrong.
The CDC itself said for every infection, 4.6 more infections happened that weren't confirmed via testing. Prove that wrong.
158Million Americans have been vaccinated. Prove that wrong.

All of those are facts. Truth. Add it up anyway you like. At a minimum, 319Million Americans have the vax or natural immunity.

Prove it wrong. Go on. We will wait.

******* moron. Let me give you a real life, specific example. Donald Trump. He is one of the 35 million confirmed cases. He is ALSO one of the 158 million vaccinated. You are DOUBLE COUNTING him (along with tens of millions of others).

 

[Troglodyte]

One of the more underappreciated aspects of this thread, and the entire forum, is the frequency and consistency with which Troglodyte takes the Covid skeptics & Covid deniers (aka the dumbass MAGA crew) behind the woodshed and gives them a thorough spanking. It’s so refreshing to see facts & science win out, time and again, over lunatic fringe conspiracies. There is hope yet, for the future of this great nation.

I have to think that at least some (maybe most) of them are just playing along and don’t really believe what they are pretending to believe because they just like the sentiment behind it. It’s why I urge them to submit op-Ed’s under their real names instead of posting their “facts” here under aliases. Really believe what you just posted? Put your real life identity behind it for your friends, neighbors and co-workers to read.

 

[Superman]

I have to think ...

after reading that again

I have to think ...

this is good stuff. thanks, flog.

I have to think ...

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

******* moron. Let me give you a real life, specific example. Donald Trump. He is one of the 35 million confirmed cases. He is ALSO one of the 158 million vaccinated. You are DOUBLE COUNTING him (along with tens of millions of others).

You simple, stupid, ******* asshat. Just on the last page I addressed this DUMBASS. I addressed the double counting because I predicted you would go there...and now you have gone there, again.

TRY ******* READING WHAT IS OFFERED TO YOUR FEEBLE BRAIN

Let's do this again for the stupidest among us, Floggy.

35 Million Americans Infected. Fact.
158Million Americans vaccinated. Fact.
CDC says 4.6x is the number of infected but never confirmed via testing. Fact.

Let's take your stupid, dumb attempt at waffling and go to the full extreme and assume that 100% of people who have been infected ALSO got vaccinated ASSWIPE. I'll take 100% of those who had the virus out and use the incorrect, impossible assumption all 35 million people who had the virus got the vax.

(big letters so maybe you SEE it this time)

158Million (vaccinated) minus 35Million (had virus also got the vax) = 123Million

Nowwwwww....let's go back to the CDC....4.6x figure....

35Million infected TIMES 4.6 = 161Million

Add them together....

123Million + 161Million = 284Million

Even if we remove 100% of those who had the virus...ALL OF THEM...we still have 284Million Americans with natural or vaccinated immunity = 86% of our population.