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The Epstein Problem

Djfan said:
This Trump supporter wants the whole thing - list, grand jury minutes, investigation documents, you name - released, unredacted. Now.
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Looks like Trump is happy to oblige, continuing to address the matter and volunteer information.

Rather strange admission yesterday on Air Force One... while begging the world to look away, and not discuss this any further. The story line thus far, was that Trump allegedly "broke off" relations with Epstein when he learned of Epstein's transgressions. Turns out, they had a falling out over who gets which underage spa employee. Why were there underage girls working in Trump's Mar-a-Lago spa? Why would Epstein and Trump be competing for their "services?" By all means, Mr. President, keep talking.

President Donald Trump said convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein “stole” Virginia Giuffre from his Mar-a-Lago club, a stunning admission that could increase scrutiny of his relationship with the late financier — even as his administration seeks to change the subject from Epstein.

Trump was speaking to reporters Tuesday when he was asked about his comments over the weekend about a falling-out with Epstein because he took employees from his business.

"He took people that worked for me. And I told him, 'Don’t do it anymore.' And he did it," Trump said, telling reporters that he barred Epstein from Mar-a-Lago, his estate in Palm Beach, Florida.

"I said, 'Stay the hell out of here,'" he said.

Pressed about whether any of the "stolen" employees were young women, Trump said many of them worked in the club's spa.

"The answer is yes, they were in the spa," he said. "I told him, I said, 'Listen, we don’t want you taking our people, whether it was spa or not spa.' ... And he was fine. And then not too long after that, he did it again."
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Booted said:
Typical bigoted, childish, dumb*ss response
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What are you afraid of, Booted? If you don't care to discuss the Epstein case in a thread titled "The Epstein Problem," why not ignore it? Why make a fool of yourself?

Curious how you feel about what Trump said yesterday, in his own words, that Epstein 'stole' young women from his Mar-a-Lago spa?

Of course I don't expect you to answer that. That's not how you roll.
 
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Tibs said:
Looks like Trump is happy to oblige, continuing to address the matter and volunteer information.

Rather strange admission yesterday on Air Force One... while begging the world to look away, and not discuss this any further. The story line thus far, was that Trump allegedly "broke off" relations with Epstein when he learned of Epstein's transgressions. Turns out, they had a falling out over who gets which underage spa employee. Why were there underage girls working in Trump's Mar-a-Lago spa? Why would Epstein and Trump be competing for their "services?" By all means, Mr. President, keep talking.
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Personally, I feel Trump and all kinds of Republicans, Democrats, and other uber wealthy people were clients of Epstein and are disgusting garbage human beings.
That said, I don't understand this logic you're attempting here.
In the state of Florida, you are able to work at age 14.
At a spa, there are nail services and facial services and waxing services and makeup services offered, all of which can be performed by someone aged 14-17.
The spa the wife goes to has a 16 year old that does the best makeup jobs, better than the others there, that everyone there swears by and she has the largest client list.
I think it's reaching on your part, nefarious or ignorantly, to imply that Trump was running an underage brothel at Mar-A-Largo and that Epstein was stealing employees to use as sex worker for him instead of Trump.
You want to jump up and down and scream "Orange Man is the devil"?
Be my guest. There's a LOT of known factual things you can point to with him.
Don't manufacture outrage and imply ridiculous outcomes with zero evidence.
That's lazy unnecessary.
 
Tibs said:
More commie dumb szhit. Blah blah blah. . I look like a middle-aged lesbian and that makes me permanently angry.
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When you start answering the questions asked of you.
 
fedderone said:
At a spa, there are nail services and facial services and waxing services and makeup services offered
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I get your drift, fedderone, and see your point.

Given everything we know, given Epstein and Maxwell's prison sentences, allow me to have my doubts that Epstein & Trump were feuding over underage girls at their spas, for their "nail services and facial services and waxing services and makeup services." Look no further than Virginia Giuffre, who was 16 at the time, and one of the girls Trump confirmed Epstein 'stole' from him. Read up on her case, to see how she ties into all of this.

In a process spanning decades, criminal cases against Epstein culminated in charges that he operated a sex-trafficking ring preying on young women and underage girls. Prosecutors say he was aided by Ghislaine Maxwell, his long-time associate who is currently in prison.
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Tibs said:
Looks like Trump is happy to oblige, continuing to address the matter and volunteer information.

Rather strange admission yesterday on Air Force One... while begging the world to look away, and not discuss this any further. The story line thus far, was that Trump allegedly "broke off" relations with Epstein when he learned of Epstein's transgressions. Turns out, they had a falling out over who gets which underage spa employee. Why were there underage girls working in Trump's Mar-a-Lago spa? Why would Epstein and Trump be competing for their "services?" By all means, Mr. President, keep talking.
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why not include the rest of it? and why not consider it in a business sense, as it was implied?

President Donald Trump said convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein “stole” Virginia Giuffre from his Mar-a-Lago club, a stunning admission that could increase scrutiny of his relationship with the late financier — even as his administration seeks to change the subject from Epstein.

Trump was speaking to reporters Tuesday when he was asked about his comments over the weekend about a falling-out with Epstein because he took employees from his business.


"He took people that worked for me. And I told him, 'Don’t do it anymore.' And he did it," Trump said, telling reporters that he barred Epstein from Mar-a-Lago, his estate in Palm Beach, Florida.

"I said, 'Stay the hell out of here,'" he said.

Pressed about whether any of the "stolen" employees were young women, Trump said many of them worked in the club's spa.

"The answer is yes, they were in the spa," he said. "I told him, I said, 'Listen, we don’t want you taking our people, whether it was spa or not spa.' ... And he was fine. And then not too long after that, he did it again."
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See this thing ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ its called a link. Its in the URL field of your browser. Copying and pasting it lends credibility to your post. Not that you or your zefriend Flog have any.
 
Tibs said:
I get your drift, fedderone, and see your point.

Given everything we know, given Epstein and Maxwell's prison sentences, allow me to have my doubts that Epstein & Trump were feuding over underage girls at their spas, for their "nail services and facial services and waxing services and makeup services." Look no further than Virginia Giuffre, who was 16 at the time, and one of the girls Trump confirmed Epstein 'stole' from him. Read up on her case, to see how she ties into all of this.
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Question - is it legal for someone at the age of 16 to be employed?
yes or no will suffice

Question - it it legal for someone at the age of 16 to be employed at a country club?
yes or no will suffice

Question - is it legal for someone at the age of 16 to be employed at a country club who is a US citizen?
yes or no will suffice

Question - when Virginia Giuffre was 16 and was employed at Mar-A-Lago, was she legally allowed to work there?
yes or no will suffice

if you answered yes to those, then your entire point is just like all your other posts - full of pshit and you can go pfuck yourself again.
 
Tibs said:
I get your drift, fedderone, and see your point.

Given everything we know, given Epstein and Maxwell's prison sentences, allow me to have my doubts that Epstein & Trump were feuding over underage girls at their spas, for their "nail services and facial services and waxing services and makeup services." Look no further than Virginia Giuffre, who was 16 at the time, and one of the girls Trump confirmed Epstein 'stole' from him. Read up on her case, to see how she ties into all of this.
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I am FULLY aware of everything surrounding Epstein/Maxwell/etc.
If I own a company, and one of my "friends" is offering jobs to one of my employees behind my back, for WHATEVER position and reason, I would be mad.
There is NOTHING that indicates Trump was using Giuffre as a sex slave at Mar-A-Largo.......even from Giuffre herself.
Please show me where any of Epstein's underage sex slaves he pimped out to the rich and powerful of the globe on his island said to authorities/media/ANYONE that before they were being trafficked by Epstein, that they were previously used as sex slaves by Trump at Mar-A-Largo, or anywhere else.
Again, you're drawing an irrational conclusion just to support your Trump hatred.
 
Tibs said:
I get your drift, fedderone, and see your point.

Given everything we know, given Epstein and Maxwell's prison sentences, allow me to have my doubts that Epstein & Trump were feuding over underage girls at their spas, for their "nail services and facial services and waxing services and makeup services." Look no further than Virginia Giuffre, who was 16 at the time, and one of the girls Trump confirmed Epstein 'stole' from him. Read up on her case, to see how she ties into all of this.
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You do realize it is possible that women legally employed by Trump could have been offered jobs that ended up resulting in sex trafficking by Epstein? Targeted women lured away by the promise of more money sounds very possible.
 
fedderone said:
Again, you're drawing an irrational conclusion just to support your Trump hatred.
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Nah, just find it odd that these two dudes were friends and cavorted for years with underage women at modeling events and parties, and Trump himself knew of Epstein's love of "young girls," and it turns out Epstein was recruiting his victims from Mar-a-Lago right from under Trump's nose. I find all of it rather strange and odd. Particularly as many here suggest, that Trump knew nothing about what was going on.

Must have been a random coincidence, as you all claim it to be. Obviously, my willing suspension of disbelief is at a bit different threshold than yours.

So, moving on, all that's left is for Trump and Bondi to release the whole docket of Epstein files, and we can mercifully put this all to rest.
 
Tibs said:
Nah, just find it odd that these two dudes were friends and cavorted for years with underage women at modeling events and parties, and Trump himself knew of Epstein's love of "young girls," and it turns out Epstein was recruiting his victims from Mar-a-Lago right from under Trump's nose. I find all of it rather strange and odd. Particularly as many here suggest, that Trump knew nothing about what was going on.

Must have been a random coincidence, as you all claim it to be. Obviously, my willing suspension of disbelief is at a bit different threshold than yours.

So, moving on, all that's left is for Trump and Bondi to release the whole docket of Epstein files, and we can mercifully put this all to rest.
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Now do Bill Gates.

and - since you're incapable of reading, Trump and Bondi have tried. A liberal Obama appointee judge has blocked this.

From CNN:
A Florida federal judge on Wednesday declined to release additional grand jury documents from the criminal investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, marking the first roadblock in the Justice Department’s efforts to quell the public backlash over the handling of the case.

The request is related to just one of multiple grand juries, and additional requests are still pending.

Judge Robin Rosenberg said in her ruling that because the Justice Department had requested the sealed evidence be released due to “extensive public interest” and not as part of a judicial proceeding – the standard usually applied by judges in such cases – her “hands are tied.”
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Tibs said:
I get your drift, fedderone, and see your point.

Given everything we know, given Epstein and Maxwell's prison sentences, allow me to have my doubts that Epstein & Trump were feuding over underage girls at their spas, for their "nail services and facial services and waxing services and makeup services." Look no further than Virginia Giuffre, who was 16 at the time, and one of the girls Trump confirmed Epstein 'stole' from him. Read up on her case, to see how she ties into all of this.
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Simple fact is, and been repeated many times, that Trump barred Epstein from Mar-A-Lago when he found out that Epstein was hitting on young girls.
 
Superman said:
Question - is it legal for someone at the age of 16 to be employed?
yes or no will suffice

Question - it it legal for someone at the age of 16 to be employed at a country club?
yes or no will suffice

Question - is it legal for someone at the age of 16 to be employed at a country club who is a US citizen?
yes or no will suffice

Question - when Virginia Giuffre was 16 and was employed at Mar-A-Lago, was she legally allowed to work there?
yes or no will suffice

if you answered yes to those, then your entire point is just like all your other posts - full of pshit and you can go pfuck yourself again.
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adding one

Question: Did Virgina Giuffre ever mention Trump sexually abusing her? Yes or no will suffice, please and thank you.
 
Badcat said:
adding one

Question: Did Virgina Giuffre ever mention Trump sexually abusing her? Yes or no will suffice, please and thank you.
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"ThAt'Z wHy She Wuz hiLlaRiEd!"
/Tibs
 
Tibs said:
What are you afraid of, Booted? If you don't care to discuss the Epstein case in a thread titled "The Epstein Problem," why not ignore it? Why make a fool of yourself?

Curious how you feel about what Trump said yesterday, in his own words, that Epstein 'stole' young women from his Mar-a-Lago spa?

Of course I don't expect you to answer that. That's not how you roll.
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Depends on what the definition of a young woman is.
Are we talking about 18-20 year old women, or 15-year-old girls.

What age does one have to be to work at a spa?

I find it humorous that everyone (OK in this case Tibs) thinks that their speculation is the absolute truth.
 
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IndySteel said:
I'll spare everyone the details of the first "spa" that I ever went to. It was in Robinson Town Center / Moon Township close to Dingbats.
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"Handy" contribution to the thread, Indy
 
Superman said:
and - since you're incapable of reading, Trump and Bondi have tried. A liberal Obama appointee judge has blocked this.
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The DOJ can’t overrule a Federal judge?
 
Ron Burgundy said:
The DOJ can’t overrule a Federal judge?
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from duckduckgo:

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No, the Department of Justice cannot overrule a federal judge. However, the DOJ can appeal a judge's decision in a higher court if they believe the ruling is incorrect. U.S. Department of Justice fjc.gov

Authority of the Department of Justice​

The Department of Justice (DOJ) does not have the power to directly overrule a federal judge's decision. Federal judges have the authority to make rulings based on the law, and their decisions are generally final unless appealed.

Judicial Review and Appeals​

Appeal Process​

  • Appeals: If the DOJ disagrees with a federal judge's ruling, it can appeal the decision to a higher court, such as a circuit court or the Supreme Court.
  • Judicial Independence: Federal judges are appointed for life and can only be removed through impeachment, ensuring their independence from the executive branch, including the DOJ.

Limitations on DOJ Actions​

  • Enforcement: The DOJ can choose how to enforce laws and may decide not to pursue certain cases, but this does not equate to overruling a judge's decision.
  • Executive Orders: The DOJ may also challenge judicial decisions through executive actions, but these actions must still comply with the law and can be subject to judicial review.

Conclusion​

While the DOJ plays a significant role in the federal legal system, it cannot simply overrule a federal judge. Instead, it must follow the established legal processes, including appeals, to address disagreements with judicial rulings.
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