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Watching Baker play now after going through what he did in his first 5 years in the league, I wonder if there is any QB out there who could become a top 5 QB in the right situation. Geno Smith and Darnold blossomed late.

I am really disheartened at the idea of having Wilson or Fields as our only options next year. I’d honestly just draft someone with smarts, grit and raw talent and let him develop. Maybe it’s possible with Fields, but I didn’t get that feeling towards games 4-6. Maybe sitting the second half will give him some better perspective watching Wilson botch his opportunity…
 
johnsteeler said:
Watching Baker play now after going through what he did in his first 5 years in the league, I wonder if there is any QB out there who could become a top 5 QB in the right situation. Geno Smith and Darnold blossomed late.

I am really disheartened at the idea of having Wilson or Fields as our only options next year. I’d honestly just draft someone with smarts, grit and raw talent and let him develop. Maybe it’s possible with Fields, but I didn’t get that feeling towards games 4-6. Maybe sitting the second half will give him some better perspective watching Wilson botch his opportunity…
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Baker had something, he was the 1st pick overall, no, that in itself doesn't necessarily mean anything, but in this case, it did. Did you see that run he had late in the 1st half? Baker is a fighter.
 
Good coaching and offensive personnel also helped set those guys up. As of right now, the Steelers have neither.

If the Steelers have an excellent offseason, you have to look at some of the higher draft picks. Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, and Daniel Jones.
 
johnsteeler said:
Watching Baker play now after going through what he did in his first 5 years in the league, I wonder if there is any QB out there who could become a top 5 QB in the right situation. Geno Smith and Darnold blossomed late.

I am really disheartened at the idea of having Wilson or Fields as our only options next year. I’d honestly just draft someone with smarts, grit and raw talent and let him develop. Maybe it’s possible with Fields, but I didn’t get that feeling towards games 4-6. Maybe sitting the second half will give him some better perspective watching Wilson botch his opportunity…
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With this coaching staff, Fields doesn't have that chance. Put him in Baltimore, Philly, Buffalo then maybe. But they are already set at QB. He's not as bad a passer as people make him out to be, he literally had NO ONE to throw to in Chicago, but he can run with the best of them. He had an 1,100 yard rushing season as a QB in Chicago when everyone knew he would be running the ball a lot. There is potential there, and he showed glimpses of it with us early on. He had several insane throws to Pickens that were called back due to holding penalties on the OL. I wish they would have opened up the offense more for him like they did when Russ took over, at least they would have a better idea of what he's capable of.
 
insaniti said:
With this coaching staff, Fields doesn't have that chance. Put him in Baltimore, Philly, Buffalo then maybe. But they are already set at QB. He's not as bad a passer as people make him out to be, he literally had NO ONE to throw to in Chicago, but he can run with the best of them. He had an 1,100 yard rushing season as a QB in Chicago when everyone knew he would be running the ball a lot. There is potential there, and he showed glimpses of it with us early on. He had several insane throws to Pickens that were called back due to holding penalties on the OL. I wish they would have opened up the offense more for him like they did when Russ took over, at least they would have a better idea of what he's capable of.
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After what I witnessed on Saturday, I want the Steelers to have a "Lamar effect" that other teams have to deal with. (See Brian Baldinger youtube video breakdown) For **** sake, Watt tackled a ball-less RB all night. If Fields could be used that way, keep him. Let him grow as a passer in time.
 
insaniti said:
With this coaching staff, Fields doesn't have that chance. Put him in Baltimore, Philly, Buffalo then maybe. But they are already set at QB. He's not as bad a passer as people make him out to be, he literally had NO ONE to throw to in Chicago, but he can run with the best of them. He had an 1,100 yard rushing season as a QB in Chicago when everyone knew he would be running the ball a lot. There is potential there, and he showed glimpses of it with us early on. He had several insane throws to Pickens that were called back due to holding penalties on the OL. I wish they would have opened up the offense more for him like they did when Russ took over, at least they would have a better idea of what he's capable of.
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I disagree. The kid from DC has got it. He just naturally sees who is open and get the ball there. That skill is invaluable; it is THE difference between being great or not. If Fields had it, we would have seen it by now. He doesn't have it. He's no rookie.
 
Lloyd said:
I disagree. The kid from DC has got it. He just naturally sees who is open and get the ball there. That skill is invaluable; it is THE difference between being great or not. If Fields had it, we would have seen it by now. He doesn't have it. He's no rookie.
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He improved in every single area this year in his 6 starts with us, and that was with a very limited playbook and freedom at the LOS. He knew when to tuck it and run, he knew when to eat it. Had a 5-1 TD/Int passing ratio, and a 10-1 total TD/turnover ratio. Our offense in the redzone was more efficient. There is potential there...

But question, why grab Daniels as the one guy to compare him to? Someone who had 110 more attempts passing than Fields EVER had in a single season. Who was put in a better offense, one that suited his skill set, one with better WR's and RB, and a better D than he ever had in Chicago. He was also the 2nd over all pick in a draft that supposedly had two of the top prospects the league has seen in quite sometime, compared to 21 when Fields was taken 11th overall in a class that was weak and had more projects. In fact the only QB that is still with the team that drafted them is Trevor Lawrence and he isn't exactly lighting things up either. It's a poor comparison...

You should be grabbing names like Jerod Goff, or Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield. Guys that were ushered out of where they were drafted. Labeled as busts, and flourished with the right coaching and scheme for their skillset. I mean, I don't think people realize the season that Baker had down in Tampa, 4500 yards, 71% completion, 41 TD's, 106.8 rating and he added 378 yards rushing with another 3 TD's. Fields has all the tools, and from the improvement he made in the short time he was with us, you can see he is coachable. IF he doesn't come back here, someone is going to grab him and turn his career around (unless he ends up in NY or Cleveland where they kill all QB's that go there)
 
johnsteeler said:
Watching Baker play now after going through what he did in his first 5 years in the league, I wonder if there is any QB out there who could become a top 5 QB in the right situation. Geno Smith and Darnold blossomed late.

I am really disheartened at the idea of having Wilson or Fields as our only options next year. I’d honestly just draft someone with smarts, grit and raw talent and let him develop. Maybe it’s possible with Fields, but I didn’t get that feeling towards games 4-6. Maybe sitting the second half will give him some better perspective watching Wilson botch his opportunity…
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I remember getting vilified by this bunch for saying we should sign Baker to an incentive laid contract and see how he does.

Guys I think could have upside.

Justin Fields
With actual coaching and not Tomlin he could be a legit 3,200 passing 1,000 rushing yards , 25 throwing and 10 rushing tds quarterback in my opinion.

Kyle Trask
He and Baker were head and head in the Tampa QB battle. I heard it ended up being the experience of Baker that ended up being the deciding factor. I think an opportunity to win a starting position would Trump guaranteed money.

Hendon Hooker
He was high on my big board as a fringe first round pick. Goff is entrenched as the starter and Hooker is the backup. Might be hard to figure out compensation but I would be willing to at least discuss the possibility.

Sam Howell
In his lone season starting he had nearly 4k yards and 21 touchdowns. Of course he had as many interceptions. But at 24 there’s a ton of upside. He still has one of the best arms and deep balls I have seen. Reminds me a lot of Baker ironically.

Trey Lance
The one time 3rd overall pick is only 24 and has been delegated to 3rd string. This would be a Dwayne Haskins type signing. Low risk high reward no guaranteed money. But the talent is there. I just don’t know if the current coaching staff, head coach, has the ability to develop a quarterback like Lance or Fields.

Davis Mills
The one time starter who has been a good backup for CJ is only 26 and I feel should get at least a shot at winning the starting job in a different situation. He reminds me a little of Mason Rudolph. Definitely has the smarts, has a great attitude and is an awesome teammate, but got put into a bad situation and was made a scapegoat. Mason from what I have seen this year is a great backup but not anything more than a stopgap starter to bridge a drafted quarterback. Mills imo should get one more chance to showcase himself before being delegated to just a backup.


Tanner McKee
Imo the best quarterback, not athlete, quarterback on the eagles roster. Seems to have a great understanding of the offense, throws a great ball, has a great arm, is not nimble footed. He’s Mathew Stafford not Lamar Jackson. I would love to throw a day 3 pick at them to see if they’d bite.

Joe Milton III
I was hoping the Steelers would take a late round fly at Milton. He has all the tools but hasn’t ever mentally put it together. Tomlin isn’t a cerebral enough man to probably help with that. But with the right coach I could see Milton becoming a good starter in the NFL. Can’t deny the arm strength.
 
TimesAreChanged said:
Wilson would be great with an O line and some WR
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Not sure about great. He would be a bridge for 1-3(max) years with above average play ranging in the 12-16 best in the league. That is enough to win and advance.

We need to draft our future, or take the flyer out on Fields and develope him to his full potential. This is a lost cause due to existing Coaching.

A lot may happen with player / underling-coaching / ect……. Until the head of the beast is changed, the results will be the same Groundhog Day.



Salute the nation
 
FordFairLane said:
I remember getting vilified by this bunch for saying we should sign Baker to an incentive laid contract and see how he does.

Guys I think could have upside.

Justin Fields
With actual coaching and not Tomlin he could be a legit 3,200 passing 1,000 rushing yards , 25 throwing and 10 rushing tds quarterback in my opinion.

Kyle Trask
He and Baker were head and head in the Tampa QB battle. I heard it ended up being the experience of Baker that ended up being the deciding factor. I think an opportunity to win a starting position would Trump guaranteed money.

Hendon Hooker
He was high on my big board as a fringe first round pick. Goff is entrenched as the starter and Hooker is the backup. Might be hard to figure out compensation but I would be willing to at least discuss the possibility.

Sam Howell
In his lone season starting he had nearly 4k yards and 21 touchdowns. Of course he had as many interceptions. But at 24 there’s a ton of upside. He still has one of the best arms and deep balls I have seen. Reminds me a lot of Baker ironically.

Trey Lance
The one time 3rd overall pick is only 24 and has been delegated to 3rd string. This would be a Dwayne Haskins type signing. Low risk high reward no guaranteed money. But the talent is there. I just don’t know if the current coaching staff, head coach, has the ability to develop a quarterback like Lance or Fields.

Davis Mills
The one time starter who has been a good backup for CJ is only 26 and I feel should get at least a shot at winning the starting job in a different situation. He reminds me a little of Mason Rudolph. Definitely has the smarts, has a great attitude and is an awesome teammate, but got put into a bad situation and was made a scapegoat. Mason from what I have seen this year is a great backup but not anything more than a stopgap starter to bridge a drafted quarterback. Mills imo should get one more chance to showcase himself before being delegated to just a backup.


Tanner McKee
Imo the best quarterback, not athlete, quarterback on the eagles roster. Seems to have a great understanding of the offense, throws a great ball, has a great arm, is not nimble footed. He’s Mathew Stafford not Lamar Jackson. I would love to throw a day 3 pick at them to see if they’d bite.

Joe Milton III
I was hoping the Steelers would take a late round fly at Milton. He has all the tools but hasn’t ever mentally put it together. Tomlin isn’t a cerebral enough man to probably help with that. But with the right coach I could see Milton becoming a good starter in the NFL. Can’t deny the arm strength.
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All your examples are knocked out by having Fraudlin as running things, with him here at the capacity he's in, none of these options will work out. None.
 
Lloyd said:
All your examples are knocked out by having Fraudlin as running things, with him here at the capacity he's in, none of these options will work out. None.
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We need to find a way to acquire Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes to run a full NFL offense again. I'm not even convinced he would run a system best fit for Lamar.
 
johnsteeler said:
Watching Baker play now after going through what he did in his first 5 years in the league, I wonder if there is any QB out there who could become a top 5 QB in the right situation. Geno Smith and Darnold blossomed late.

I am really disheartened at the idea of having Wilson or Fields as our only options next year. I’d honestly just draft someone with smarts, grit and raw talent and let him develop. Maybe it’s possible with Fields, but I didn’t get that feeling towards games 4-6. Maybe sitting the second half will give him some better perspective watching Wilson botch his opportunity…
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By the end of the season, I was hoping to see Allen play just to see if he could do anything different. Fields will probably be the guy next year. The team gave up a draft pick to get him and he plays the style of game Tomlin likes. He's a run first QB that didn't turn the ball over (also didn't score much, but who is counting). He's a perfect fit for Tomlin's conservative offense. I also think Tomlin probably has visions of developing him into Jackson 2.0. We all know Tomlin is great at QB development. It would have been good to see them take off the training wheels and let him play a little bit to see what he could do over an entire game unleashed. Once Wilson came in and the team kept winning, I'm sure the priority became not giving him enough snaps to lose the 4th round pick.

I think Wilson is the better NFL QB, but his age is catching up to him. With a great OL and WR group, I think he can still help a team win. Rarely using the middle of the field hurts him at this point and it doesn't help that he plays for a coach that lives in his fears. He needs protection since his ability to scramble isn't what it once was. If that article on the main page about a rift between Wilson and Smith is true, I don't expect to see Wilson back if Smith stays.

The team gave up a 5th and a 6th round pick to bring in guys that barely played (Fields after the first 6 games). I will never understand why Williams didn't get in the games more considering he's a tall athletic vet that can jump out of the stadium. He offered a better chance at those deep sideline passes that Willson throws 90% of the time than everyone else not named Pickens.
 
**** baker

didn't like him in college and don't think a hell of a lot about him as a pro

he is better than what he showed in cleveland

but he still falls short of a true franchise qb
 
SteelerFan448 said:
We need to find a way to acquire Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes to run a full NFL offense again. I'm not even convinced he would run a system best fit for Lamar.
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He wouldn't, he'd be frozen not knowing what to do. He is a fraud.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
We need to find a way to acquire Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes to run a full NFL offense again. I'm not even convinced he would run a system best fit for Lamar.
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Does Baltimore not run a full offense because of Lamar? What are they missing
 
insaniti said:
WHY???
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IMO---His game reminds me of how Baker performed as a young QB on a bad football team.
When I watched the young man as a rookie he displayed a very good arm, above average mobility in and getting outside the pocket, and most importantly he did not play tentatively or scared. The game did not seem too big for him.

Im not saying he will be a starter next season,,,,,but it seem to me that the Steelers might blow up the room again and I feel he has a ton of upside, while his "down the road" NFL story could mirror Bakers, without much financial or trade risks,,,

That is why...for what's it worth.
 
steel dino said:
IMO---His game reminds me of how Baker performed as a young QB on a bad football team.
When I watched the young man as a rookie he displayed a very good arm, above average mobility in and getting outside the pocket, and most importantly he did not play tentatively or scared. The game did not seem too big for him.

Im not saying he will be a starter next season,,,,,but it seem to me that the Steelers might blow up the room again and I feel he has a ton of upside, while his "down the road" NFL story could mirror Bakers, without much financial or trade risks,,,

That is why...for what's it worth.
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The only thing that reminds me of Baker is his build...
 
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