The official "AB to Buffalo" joke thread

[Steeler Pride]

but didn't he say he would retire before he would return to the steelers ? .. If they force his hand and don't let him out of his contract maybe he will just do that -- That leads to the question .. if he retires .. can he go to another team and PLAY ???


IF he doesn't abide by the rules can they suspend him ??

If he retires, the Steelers retain the rights on his contract for the same duration of time left. Very similar to the Carson Palmer Bengals/Raiders situation. Even if you retire, your rights are still retained by the team you are under contract with.

The Steelers can suspend him for 4 games for conduct detrimental to the team. After that 4 weeks is where the grey area comes in under the CBA, technically if you tried to suspend him again after the 4 games, the NFLPA could in theory file a grievance against the Steelers. I would think that after the first suspension, you would have to have a justifiable NEW offense in order to suspend him for another 4 games.

 

[Steeler Pride]

If he retires, we hold his rights. He can't just un-retire and play for another team. We would retain his rights for as long as he is retired. Doesn't matter how long the contract is, if he's not playing, it's not accrued seasons and doesn't count.

If you remember several years ago, Carson Palmer retired because he didn't want to play for the bengals, the raiders then traded for his rights so he could un-retire and play for them.

Also, in this case, if we trade him, and he retires the team we traded him to owns his rights.

LOL, you beat me to it and I didn't see your response before I shared mine...didn't mean to plagiarize you!

 

[Superman]

I wasn’t saying the FO botched this trade! You get pretty emotional while making implications and not reading what I said. I am merely stating that at this point they will probably botch this and become the butt of the joke. Ala the thread title.

They haven’t been real good in the past dumping players through trades, and as this thing drags on; the FO loses any leverage in this process. Furthermore, they don’t have control of the players in the organization. That’s very apparent. The pros act like pros and the “kids” act like kids. There is not strong leadership right now in the FO.

Nonetheless, I like the moves they’ve made in the past 24 and think shopping Gilbert is smart. However, I think they will end up on the punchline side of the AB trade effort as we move into, and probably past 8 March (Friday).


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LOL - you clearly said:

The only joke here is the Steelers FO

 

[Steeler Pride]

the FO loses any leverage in this process.

Despite what people on this board seem to think, the Steelers have never had any leverage to begin with. It's no different than if you total your car, get to the last day of rental car coverage on your insurance, and go to a dealership and tell your salesperson you have to have a new car today. Do you really think you are going to get the best price, rate, term, rebate...etc? No, because all of the leverage goes to the person that is not desperate. The Steelers have no leverage because everyone in the NFL knows you NEED to get the cancer out of the locker room. AB can sit back, kill any trade, take a 4 game suspension and still get paid for the next 12 games next season and not step foot on the field. We have to trade him to get any type of financial compensation and/or player compensation for the loss.

 

[cpollock]

Despite what people on this board seem to think, the Steelers have never had any leverage to begin with. It's no different than if you total your car, get to the last day of rental car coverage on your insurance, and go to a dealership and tell your salesperson you have to have a new car today. Do you really think you are going to get the best price, rate, term, rebate...etc? No, because all of the leverage goes to the person that is not desperate. The Steelers have no leverage because everyone in the NFL knows you NEED to get the cancer out of the locker room. AB can sit back, kill any trade, take a 4 game suspension and still get paid for the next 12 games next season and not step foot on the field. We have to trade him to get any type of financial compensation and/or player compensation for the loss.

Well lets put it this way he has already said he does not want to play for the Steelers .. -- he doesn't get traded .. he doesn't show up for training camp .. if he doesn't want to play do you really think he is going to show up for practice ? I really doubt it ..

All that leads to a BREACH of contract .. don't show up for work .. don't get paid ..

This is going to be MESSY -- because he believes he can get out of the contact by doing all this BS .. Reality check .. the Steelers hold all the cards .. not you and your agent .. that is COMMON Sense.

I think the NFL is in BIG trouble if he gets his way .. that will lead to OTHER players doing the same thing .. why even sign a contract if you can get out of it because you don't like what you signed.

I also agree with some of the other comments on here . .I really do believe he has a mental issue .. CTE may be .. Bi-Polar .. or JUST mentally ill ..

 

[ExUSAF]

Despite what people on this board seem to think, the Steelers have never had any leverage to begin with. It's no different than if you total your car, get to the last day of rental car coverage on your insurance, and go to a dealership and tell your salesperson you have to have a new car today. Do you really think you are going to get the best price, rate, term, rebate...etc? No, because all of the leverage goes to the person that is not desperate. The Steelers have no leverage because everyone in the NFL knows you NEED to get the cancer out of the locker room. AB can sit back, kill any trade, take a 4 game suspension and still get paid for the next 12 games next season and not step foot on the field. We have to trade him to get any type of financial compensation and/or player compensation for the loss.

The leverage the Steelers have is that he is still under contract. It's time for the Steelers to, as the Godfather would say, go to the mattresses. If you can't get at least a first, he stays on the team. If he retires, you demand the refund of his prorated signing bonus and I think we can make that stick. You can suspend him without pay for 4 games because AB will always give you a reason and if he refuses to take the field after that I think that would be considered a new offense and you suspend him another 4 games. This can go on for the remainder of the season. Worse than having this cancer in the locker room is sending the message that the team will roll over for any diva player that wants out of his contract.

I put this on Tomlin for putting up with his crap for so long. He should have been suspended without pay for the Bengals game, not just deactivated. You have to hit him where it hurts and it's all money at this point.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Well lets put it this way he has already said he does not want to play for the Steelers .. -- he doesn't get traded .. he doesn't show up for training camp .. if he doesn't want to play do you really think he is going to show up for practice ? I really doubt it ..

All that leads to a BREACH of contract .. don't show up for work .. don't get paid ..

This is going to be MESSY -- because he believes he can get out of the contact by doing all this BS .. Reality check .. the Steelers hold all the cards .. not you and your agent .. that is COMMON Sense.

I think the NFL is in BIG trouble if he gets his way .. that will lead to OTHER players doing the same thing .. why even sign a contract if you can get out of it because you don't like what you signed.

I also agree with some of the other comments on here . .I really do believe he has a mental issue .. CTE may be .. Bi-Polar .. or JUST mentally ill ..

The messy part of this is what if he does show up to practice so that the Steelers cannot suspend him after the initial 4 games. Do you let him in the building, in the locker room...etc. The Steelers have no leverage in this unfortunately.

 

[Steeler Pride]

The leverage the Steelers have is that he is still under contract. It's time for the Steelers to, as the Godfather would say, go to the mattresses. If you can't get at least a first, he stays on the team. If he retires, you demand the refund of his prorated signing bonus and I think we can make that stick. You can suspend him without pay for 4 games because AB will always give you a reason and if he refuses to take the field after that I think that would be considered a new offense and you suspend him another 4 games. This can go on for the remainder of the season. Worse than having this cancer in the locker room is sending the message that the team will roll over for any diva player that wants out of his contract.

I put this on Tomlin for putting up with his crap for so long. He should have been suspended without pay for the Bengals game, not just deactivated. You have to hit him where it hurts and it's all money at this point.

I don't disagree in theory, but, like I asked Cheryl, WHAT IF he does show up for practice after the 4 game suspension...you going to let him in the building, in the locker room, on the field where he can disrupt practice. What about a game? If the Steelers bench him he will have every right under the CBA and NFLPA to file a grievance which will be hard to defend since he is the number one receiver in the NFL. If you play him, do you trust him to give 100%, not run wrong routes intentionally?

 

[cpollock]

The messy part of this is what if he does show up to practice so that the Steelers cannot suspend him after the initial 4 games. Do you let him in the building, in the locker room...etc. The Steelers have no leverage in this unfortunately.

The question will it get to that -- he said he will retire if he doesn't get traded. we can only wait and see what he does .

 

[Steeler Pride]

The question will it get to that -- he said he will retire if he doesn't get traded. we can only wait and see what he does .

I don't see Brown's ego nor his check book being able to retire. Saying it and doing it are two different things. Someone that is set to retire doesn't post videos talking about not playing without fully guaranteed money. I think that if Brown is not traded, he will become such a PITA that he will force the Steelers to either trade him for whatever they can get or cut him just to keep him away from the team. With everything he has done to disparage the Steelers to this point, why wouldn't he take it all the way.

 

[wig]

If the Steelers release him for no compensation, the message you are sending to ANY player you sign and pay a bonus to is that they can leave after the first year if they make enough of a annoyance of themselves.

The Steelers need to implement an instant culture change and do it with AB. As for the question about him coming to practice. That's fine, but I look into the CBA as carefully as Belichick and Ernie Adams would and find every conceivable loophole to make his life a living hell WHILE honoring the team's side of the CBA. Have him show up at weird hours for treatments, move his parking spot every 2 days and have the grounds staff boot his car 32 seconds after I reassign the parking spot. Stuff like that.

 

[Drink IRON City]

If he retires, the Steelers retain the rights on his contract for the same duration of time left. Very similar to the Carson Palmer Bengals/Raiders situation. Even if you retire, your rights are still retained by the team you are under contract with.

The Steelers can suspend him for 4 games for conduct detrimental to the team. After that 4 weeks is where the grey area comes in under the CBA, technically if you tried to suspend him again after the 4 games, the NFLPA could in theory file a grievance against the Steelers. I would think that after the first suspension, you would have to have a justifiable NEW offense in order to suspend him for another 4 games.

A-N-D that justifiable offense wouldn't take long to acquire........................





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[TDX27]

Let him in the building next year. If he starts pulling ****, one of his "teammates" hopefully will pull him aside and beat the **** out of him. That or take cheap shots at him on the practice field. He will get the point real quick. At least, you would hope the "teammates" that he abandoned would have the balls to stand up to him. I know I would.

 

[cpollock]

If the Steelers release him for no compensation, the message you are sending to ANY player you sign and pay a bonus to is that they can leave after the first year if they make enough of a annoyance of themselves.

The Steelers need to implement an instant culture change and do it with AB. As for the question about him coming to practice. That's fine, but I look into the CBA as carefully as Belichick and Ernie Adams would and find every conceivable loophole to make his life a living hell WHILE honoring the team's side of the CBA. Have him show up at weird hours for treatments, move his parking spot every 2 days and have the grounds staff boot his car 32 seconds after I reassign the parking spot. Stuff like that.

Just think of how many other NFL players will try this crap if AB gets away with it ....

 

[GRBman]

I'm not all that concerned with what the Steelers get back for AB. They have a pretty good track record of drafting WRs, so they will get another one, Ben will continue to shred defenses and AB will look like a moron for leaving.

Here's my prediction on what WILL happen though. It won't matter who the Steelers trade him to, he will pitch a fit, get released by that team and get picked up by the Pats****** ...where he will blow-up and get released just like Randy Moss.

 

[cpollock]

has any other player done this ?? with this much time on their contract ? Will this become the norm for NFL players that decide they want GUARANTEED money after they sign their contracts ... if he is the FIRST then the NFL and other owners better beware of the avalanche if Brown is released ..

 

[Steeler Pride]

has any other player done this ?? with this much time on their contract ? Will this become the norm for NFL players that decide they want GUARANTEED money after they sign their contracts ... if he is the FIRST then the NFL and other owners better beware of the avalanche if Brown is released ..

I have a feeling the next CBA will be a much longer and drawn out affair. There are too many issues between owners, Goodell, and the players that need hashed out.

 

[awboatguy]

LOL - you clearly said:

It’s easy to take one line without the rest of the context. LOL. See where you’re comin from. Gotcha!


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[warriors42]

We have to eat his salary this year anyway, so anything less than a first and I keep him. I work his *** off in practice every week then I deactivate him on gameday. He misses meetings or practices you suspend his *** and fine the **** out of him. I am a vindictive *******, so this would probably be what I would do this year anyway. **** that little *****.

 

[slashsteel]

We have to eat his salary this year anyway, so anything less than a first and I keep him. I work his *** off in practice every week then I deactivate him on gameday. He misses meetings or practices you suspend his *** and fine the **** out of him. I am a vindictive *******, so this would probably be what I would do this year anyway. **** that little *****.

And he would have pre warning that any negative locker room or social media comments toward the Steelers, would be treated as conduct detrimental to the team. And suspension would follow. I would make it a team rule, in a team meeting with all the coaches present. So in case a union grievance wa filed later, it would have a less of a leg to stand on.

 

[Ike Kelly]

The official "AB to Buffalo" joke thread

has any other player done this ?? with this much time on their contract ? Will this become the norm for NFL players that decide they want GUARANTEED money after they sign their contracts ... if he is the FIRST then the NFL and other owners better beware of the avalanche if Brown is released ..

TO did it. Twice. First to SF, when he thought he was a FA and his agent had a contract with Philly, but Frisco had already had an agreement to trade him to Balt for a 2nd round pick. TO filed a grievance and fired his agent and hired Rosenhaus. It was resolved arbitrarily between the three clubs. Balt got their pick back and SF got a couple players from Philly and signed TO to then a three year 45+ mil contract.

Then the following year (after Philly lost in the SB) TO made comments he was underpaid and wanted a new deal. Started by, mouthing off about McNabb wasn’t any good, and then culminating in the driveway work out scene. Eagles cut him and TO went to Dallas with a new contract......see a trend here?

Some hard choices lie ahead......I’m almost wanting him to sit this year. So he gets nothing. He has blown his image and legacy, no matter how great of a WR he was.


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