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The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

I do feel like ice has gone a bit rogue and they feel like they are above the law to a extent. They seem to resort to violence quicker than police. When police shoot someone they get placed on leave immediately. This maybe happening with ICE agents but have not heard it. The protesters are also in the wrong and playing dangerous games and losing. I think the hood shooting was more justified. This one the guy was face down on the ground with like 4 agents around. They should have been able to see his hands and what not. Someone lost mental control and just pulled the trigger. They are lucky none of the agents got hit
 
jitter77 said:
I do feel like ice has gone a bit rogue and they feel like they are above the law to a extent. They seem to resort to violence quicker than police. When police shoot someone they get placed on leave immediately. This maybe happening with ICE agents but have not heard it. The protesters are also in the wrong and playing dangerous games and losing. I think the hood shooting was more justified. This one the guy was face down on the ground with like 4 agents around. They should have been able to see his hands and what not. Someone lost mental control and just pulled the trigger. They are lucky none of the agents got hit
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I believe we're being shown by the media only the videos that put ICE in a bad light. you're aware of the ICE agent who had part of a finger bitten off by a protestor, correct? No? My point confirmed. The little boy who was "rounded up and stuffed in a car" was left behind by his POS father who ran from ICE and left the kid in the car. ICE then transported him back to his home to see if anyone was there to care for the boy and then to a facility where he could be safely watched. Far cry from what the media is and, most importantly, not telling us,

The Pretti dude was obviously trying to get his weapon out when he was being pushed in the back by the ICE agent after being pepper-sprayed or maced. Pretti was escalating the entire thing.

I doubt he was pulling the gun to show the officers the new optic or trigger pull weight. but, we'll never know since stupid ****** around, found out and won a stupid prize for his stupidity.
 
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Try and stay focused, my comment was regarding the shooting of Alex Pretti, the continuing investigation and the information that will follow, not another whataboutism.
Was his shooting justified? I don't know, I wasn't there and I'm not privy to information in the investigation. Are you?
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I’m privy to what I see, the DHS misrepresentation of that and the DHS blocking BCA from accessing the crime scene despite having a warrant.
ZonaBurgh said:
Was it stupid to bring a weapon to a confrontational situation? Apparently so.
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What are valid reasons for a person to carry a weapon if not a potential confrontational situation?
 
Troglodyte said:
I’m privy to what I see, the DHS misrepresentation of that and the DHS blocking BCA from accessing the crime scene despite having a warrant.

What are valid reasons for a person to carry a weapon if not a potential confrontational situation?
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I keep telling myself not to do this but suckered in once again.

Sane individuals do carry in case of a "potential" situation, those that act before thinking carry a weapon into a "certain" confrontation.
We are not the same.
 
Troglodyte said:
What are valid reasons for a person to carry a weapon if not a potential confrontational situation?
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Do you believe it's legal (or wise) to instigate a confrontation with law enforcement engaged in legal operations while armed with a loaded concealed weapon? And then physically resist arrest without informing them you are armed?

Let's say police are about to bust a drug den. Let's say I don't believe that drug dealing should be illegal, and I think it's a violation of rights for them to bust the drug den. Is it ok for me to interfere in their operations, resist arrest, wrestle with numerous officers and not inform them that I'm carrying a concealed loaded weapon?

If you're a police officer wrestling on the ground with such an individual and someone yells "Gun!" when are you allowed to defend yourself? When someone points it in your face and pulls the trigger?

Every time something like this happens armchair cops like yourself pretend you would have waited around to see what someone was gonna do with the gun before acting to defend yourself. It's ludicrous. These things happen in split seconds. If you guess wrong you're dead. When someone is acting stupid and breaking the law, violently resisting and armed, you do not have to put yourself at risk of death to save them.
 
Troglodyte said:
What are valid reasons for a person to carry a weapon if not a potential confrontational situation?
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you're neglecting to include the fact that he did not have any ID on him.
As such, he did not want to be identified in case he chose to use this weapon.

what is a valid reason for a person to carry a weapon if not a potential confrontational situation and make the conscious decision to break the state law by not having required identification on their body?
 
i'd also like to point out that carrying a weapon INTO a potentially confrontational situation is as retarded as it gets.

for the obvious reason of getting shot
also for the un-obvious reason (have to point this out to the sub-Somalian IQ Trog) that you could have the gun stolen from you and either used against you or against some innocent people. Especially in a situation that you have to make the decision to travel into and insert yourself.
 
Superman said:
you're neglecting to include the fact that he did not have any ID on him.
As such, he did not want to be identified in case he chose to use this weapon.

what is a valid reason for a person to carry a weapon if not a potential confrontational situation and make the conscious decision to break the state law by not having required identification on their body?
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Not having ID isn't really relevant in the outcome here, but yes, he should have had it on him and why he didn't is just speculation.
He did however make the ultimate bad choice confronting law enforcement while carrying a concealed handgun.
 
better footage and with a clear explanation of what the ICE agents perceived:

 
 
Here is a very long but reasonable post i saw on redfit:

From: Wisconsin Right Now - Why the Alex Pretti shooting leans toward justified force - barely

🚨 Why the Alex Pretti shooting leans toward justified force - barely 🚨

Here's my 24-hour-later analysis. I've listened to m the arguments. I've watched as much video as I can. I've reread case law.

I believe the shooting was technically justified legally (like 50.5%, just over 50-50), but barely, and there is enough there to rule it as such. But it's a very close call, and I see why people are upset about it. I don't like this shooting. This is a preliminary analysis.

It's an ugly, messy shooting. Anyone pretending that this is a clean, clear-cut and obviously justified shooting - including the Trump administration - is being extremely disingenuous, if not outright spinning you. The people on the otherr side, who claim this is a clear-cut execution, implying ill-intent, are also being very disingenuous, if not outright spinning you. This one falls somewhere in the middle, and the answer likely lies within the fog of war and inside a scrum that we can't all completely see.

I also stipulate that we don't know everything the system does; we don't even know what the officer's statement says. I reserve the right to change my opinion based on new information.
 
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