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The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

From Citizenfreepress.com

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uh oh <a href="https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OliverDarcy</a>! <br><br>Did you know Vindman was also meeting registered foreign agents of Ukraine, per FARA filings? <br><br>You didn’t think to check that I take it <br><br>Be a shame if someone went and did your job for you <a href="https://t.co/9uzxYltRvu">https://t.co/9uzxYltRvu</a></p>— NYT Owner Poso (@JackPosobiec) <a href="https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1189310600058413057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
So let me get this straight. Even if the guy is proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt to be guilty of the things he is accused of, that's just fine and dandy?

What exactly is he "accused of"? All I have heard so far is a corrupt series of leaks, where witnesses offer their personal opinions about what Trump said.

We already know every ******* word that Trump said, SINCE WE HAVE THE ************* TRANSCRIPT.

So why is Schiff-for-brains even holding hearings?!? To ask people, "Hey, what do you think about what he said?" Who ******* cares about somebody's personal opinion, unless that person is trained in law? ******* **** on a stick, are we going to call Hollywood molesters to give their opinions on medicine?? Sports figures to give their opinions on the budget?? WHO ******* CARES??

And DC ain't gonna burn. ****, wake me when conservatives actually protest any of the wrongs foisted on them.

Now this I agree with. I think if conservatives were burning **** in D.C., right now, about this horseshit worthless bullshit going on, and if a few (D)ims were punched in the face about this stuff, a lot would change.
 
Presidents aren't removed from office just on a whim. Clinton broke a law (perjury) and still wasn't removed. Trump hasn't broken one law and people are trying to remove him.

They're trying their absolute hardest though. I mean, a United States Congressman perjured publicly the contents of a phone call between the POTUS and a foreign leader and we're here talking about the possibility of impeaching the President. And that's just one of so many shenanigans. Brett Kavanaugh was drug through the mud over a very flimsy sexual assault allegation from 30 years ago that was never even corroborated and (D)im Katie Hill has physical evidence of it released and it's "women are targets". It's the Twilight Zone.
 
For the selective readers out there....first, I said this.

If he is truly guilty, prove it. That is all you have to do. If you prove that he is guilty, no Republican that I know is going to support him at that point. I know I won't. How could you? But they have yet to prove anything. Just keep throwing one accusation after another. That's it.

To which Smash replied....

The deplorables will not waiver in their support Sarge. They marched peaceably in 2009, remove Trump and DC burns.


To which I replied.....

So let me get this straight. Even if the guy is proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt to be guilty of the things he is accused of, that's just fine and dandy? He's our guy, and even though he's a criminal and shouldn't be in office, we'll burn DC if he is removed? Is that how it works? If so, we are a lot worse off as a nation than I thought, and that is coming from a guy that takes a pretty pessimistic view of just about everything that happens in politics.

And DC ain't gonna burn. ****, wake me when conservatives actually protest any of the wrongs foisted on them.

I never said he broke any law or committed any high crimes or misdemeanors. He didn't qualify his remarks, saying that if he were removed illegally or whatever. He said "remove Trump, DC burns." In response, I threw out an even if scenario. That's it. A what if type thing. I did that because I understood, based on what he wrote, to mean that no matter how Trump is removed, DC will burn. So I asked a hypothetical.

I should have known that in this forum, Trump can't even be guilty in a made up scenario.
 
If he is truly guilty, prove it. .

The point is, there is nothing to prove. It's all bullshit. He didn't do anything wrong and the transcript is proof, along with President of Ukraine himself stating multiple times that Trump didn't do what the Dims are accusing him of. All he did was suggest that Ukraine look into possible corruption. That's it. No crime. But the libtards get the vapors and scream OMG! OMG! Peach fortify! It's ridiculous. It's not like Trump sent $150 billion to an enemy country, or armed ISIS by running guns through Benghazi. Or set up illegal surveillance on a candidate.
 
For the selective readers out there....

Your key statement, which you glossed over, was this:

Sarge said:
So let me get this straight. Even if the guy is proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt to be guilty of the things he is accused of, that's just fine and dandy?

So I understandably asked exactly what is he accused of? We have the goddamn transcript and nothing on that transcript is remotely improper for the President.

The fact that numerous D.C. ****s disagree with Trump is irrelevant. Less than irrelevant. The fact that some of those people, entrusted to serve the Commander-in-Chief, reveal protected information due to a policy dispute is the real key here, IMO. So it is now perfectly acceptable for those closest to the President, and who supposedly serve him, to disclose classified information about communications the CIC has with other foreign leaders because of a difference of opinion on the advisability of an approach? Because let's be clear here, that is exactly what we are talking about. Nothing illegal. No "quid pro quo," for **** sake, since the investigation never took place in Ukraine and the military **** was given to the ******* country.

Jesus Christ, Trump "demanded" an investigation by a foreign country into illegal activities by the ******* Bidens in that country? Really? His "demand" was so forceful that he apparently FORGOT ABOUT THE ******* DEMAND since the goddamn "pro quo" NEVER ******* HAPPENED.

Also, let's be crystal clear why the Lt. Colonel violated his confidence. He said, "I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security."

No belief that the President did anything illegal. No belief that the President violated National Security and the law. So the guy was concerned about the phone call, and that it might be seen as partisan, and in the end could hurt Urkaine, which he thinks is an important ally against Russia. Okay. Then run for ******* President and win, and you can set foreign policy. Until then, you implement the foreign policy that the actual PRESIDENT puts in place.

The guy disagrees with Trump. Great. Become the 1,000,000th guest on CNNMSNBCNBCABCCBS to criticize Trump.

But impeach the President because the unelected guy differs with policy? **** him.

Sarge said:
I should have known that in this forum, Trump can't even be guilty in a made up scenario.

Guilty OF WHAT????????????????????????????????????
 
In this round of hearings, he is accused of abusing the powers of the office of the President by withholding aid in order to influence the Ukrainian government to investigate or dig up dirt on a political rival. That is what he is accused of. I never said any of it was corroborated. I don’t even know if it’s a real thing, because if a President can’t use influence, what use is he? And even if it were, I am not sure it is an impeachable offense. It was a hypothetical, nothing more. Not sure why everyone is worked up about it.

As I posted above, at this point they got nothing. I am praying for impeachment because then everything has to be public. No more hiding behind closed doors and the media, leaking selectively to reinforce a narrative that leads to a predetermined outcome. We get to see and hear everything, which is how it should have been from the start.
 
The man hasn't committed any crimes, won't be found to have committed any crimes (legitimately) and any attempt to remove him will turn this cold war hot. It really is that simple Sarge, and I may be a bitter clinger, deplorable hayseed hick rube from flyover country, but I know a scam when I see one. And what DC is trying to pull here is a scam on 63 million Americans who've had enough of their turd stew.
 
So I understandably asked exactly what is he accused of? We have the goddamn transcript and nothing on that transcript is remotely improper for the President.

Indeed, we are getting accustomed to the " no there there" from this gang..Like this guy Vindman

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The New York Times, in the space of less than a day, it seems, given the short notice of the announcement of the impeachment witnesses, put out a long and positively hagiographically glowing profile, with oodles of tiny details that can't be found on Google. Think they had some help for the big Hollywood-style buildup of Vindman, from the Democrats putting on this show?
I am going to guess yes.

The other thing was Vindman's showing up for the cameras in a spotless military uniform, medals gleaming from his chest. The guy always wore a suit and tie to his NSC job. Let's call that what it is: some public relations manipulations to keep Republicans from seeming too mean to him by asking him tough questions.

There's more. During the question-and-answer section, Vindman attempted to make changes to an official transcript, given that he was in on the July call between Ukraine's president and President Trump. The reportage suggests that President Trump's transcript was dishonestly concealing references to Burisma. That Joe Biden's son was making tens of thousands of dollars each month in a no-show board job, and that Vindman argued that this wasn't a national security priority, calls into question his so-called expertise. Actually, it makes an argument that he just hated Trump.

Here's more — he apparently worked as a registered foreign agent for Ukraine, which is an astonishing conflict of interest with work on the National Security Council, and leaking presidential transcripts to Ukraine. That's probably the biggest conflict of interest of all....and this is not an explosive headline why?
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...t_witness_whos_not_exactly_unimpeachable.html

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The man hasn't committed any crimes, won't be found to have committed any crimes (legitimately) and any attempt to remove him will turn this cold war hot. It really is that simple Sarge, and I may be a bitter clinger, deplorable hayseed hick rube from flyover country, but I know a scam when I see one. And what DC is trying to pull here is a scam on 63 million Americans who've had enough of their turd stew.

Jesus Christ almighty, I never said he committed any crimes. I thought my initial post was pretty clear. All I am asking is that if they are accusing him of something, prove it. Otherwise, be done with it. That’s it. No more leaks, secret hearings or horseshit.

It morphed into burning down DC (LOL), a hypothetical question and a bunch of people defending the man against a hypothetical. I can’t investigate him, charge him or impeach him, and no one has to convince me this is a sham. Everyone knows it is. If they had evidence of wrongdoing it would be everywhere, not tidbits of salacious testimony selectively leaked from secret hearings.

Anyway, I’ll see you guys at the civil war.
 
In this round of hearings, he is accused of abusing the powers of the office of the President by withholding aid in order to influence the Ukrainian government to investigate or dig up dirt on a political rival. That is what he is accused of. I never said any of it was corroborated. I don’t even know if it’s a real thing, because if a President can’t use influence, what use is he?

I get that Sarge. I also know that the (D)ims certainly don't give a flying **** if what the President did is common, a proper use of executive power, an actual misuse of power, etc. The (D)ims said that they would get rid of Trump, impeach him, before he took office. They went after him on a bogus, $40 million "collusion" boondoggle. They now turn to a phone call with the President of Ukraine, where the people who should keep this information absolutely confidential instead went after the President because, as far as I can tell, they were worried about Ukraine looking bad and hurting their Ukraine-as-Russia's-foil strategy.

But since we have had the transcript for more than a month, the entire thing is a ******* charade. Trump has to put up with spies in his own inner circle, a crazed House, a dishonest, garbage media that needs to be put out of its misery, lies, corruption, slanted views on every thing under the sun.

What he actually said: "The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you said yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible."

1000% no quid, no pro, no quo, no nothing. Big fat Russia-collusion-phony-bullshit there.

Oh, oh, but what about Biden?!? Here's what was said:

President Zelensky: For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Guliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly. That I can assure you.

The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it. It sounds horrible to me.

No quid.
No pro.
No quo.
No nothing.

Once again, a fraud by the same lying fraudsters who wasted $40 million tax dollars and 2 1/2 years of the President's term on another fraud.

So the lying, leaking, cheating (D)ims say that Trump forced Ukraine to investigate? Funny, since they DID NOT ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE. So Trump blackmailed Zelensky? Funny, since THERE WAS NO ******* INVESTIGATION OF BIDEN AND THE U.S. GAVE UKRAINE A WHOLE BUNCH OF WEAPONS AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.

Nothing. Zero. And we are forced to watch that ******, Schiff, pervert the process, lie, leak, call butt-hurt careerists who should be locked up, not praised.

**** them all. Thank God Trump released the transcript. Can you imagine the lies the lying leakers would be lying about otherwise?!?
 
In this round of hearings, he is accused of abusing the powers of the office of the President by withholding aid in order to influence the Ukrainian government to investigate or dig up dirt on a political rival. That is what he is accused of. I never said any of it was corroborated.

Actually that was already debunked and proven false. Ukraine did not even know that aid had been halted until months after the conversation occurred. But don't worry, these swamp creatures will just find some other bullshit reason next. Just throwing darts at the board....for 3 years and counting.
 
All I am asking is that if they are accusing him of something, prove it. Otherwise, be done with it. That’s it. No more leaks, secret hearings or horseshit.

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For ***** sake, Sarge. This has been the playbook for 3 years. Nothing there, make up ****. They did it with Kavanaugh, as well. They will never be done with it.
 
Hmmmm....this looks interesting



Whistleblower Has Been Outed– Registered Democrat

– Worked for Obama
– Worked with Joe Biden
– Worked for CIA Director John Brennan
– Vocal critic of Trump
– Helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation hoax

Federal documents reveal that the 33-year-old Ciaramella, a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House, previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.

https://newsthud.com/breaking-new-report-identifies-whistleblower-as-cia-analyst-eric-ciaramella/
 
Once again another Democratic **** show. And still to this day the only thing Trump is guilty of is winning the damn election. How dare he !
 
Actually that was already debunked and proven false. Ukraine did not even know that aid had been halted until months after the conversation occurred. But don't worry, these swamp creatures will just find some other bullshit reason next. Just throwing darts at the board....for 3 years and counting.

That's great. But that's what this whole **** show is about. Supposedly, anyway.
 
All aboard. The Pelosi express is leaving the station.
 
All the GOP and 2 Dems voted NO

At least nobody on our side broke ranks in the House

Witch hunt!
 
I see this as a good thing. It gets everything into the public eye, and puts the Democrats on record. Still have yet to see anything that definitively says, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Trump did anything wrong. Criminally or politically. Lots of accusations and opinions, but not much else.
 
I hope voters are paying attention. You have about 30% on the right and 30% on the left that wouldn't change their vote under any circumstance. It is the 40% somewhere between the extreme right and left that I hope are paying close attention to what is going on and vote accordingly. This nonsense has to end.
 
I see this as a good thing. It gets everything into the public eye, and puts the Democrats on record. Still have yet to see anything that definitively says, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Trump did anything wrong. Criminally or politically. Lots of accusations and opinions, but not much else.

A lot of (D)ims feel differently:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Impeachment is one of the gravest powers of Congress, second only to our power to declare war. It must always be our last option, reserved for those rare times where the misconduct of <a href="https://twitter.com/POTUS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@POTUS</a> is so high it warrants removal. We may be at one of those rare times. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ThursdayThoughts?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ThursdayThoughts</a> <a href="https://t.co/VrsqsN2gar">https://t.co/VrsqsN2gar</a></p>— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) <a href="https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1189931439908720641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Last option, huh? I heard about impeachment talk the moment he won the Presidency.
 
A lot of (D)ims feel differently:

They got this all figured out





How a Trump impeachment could lead to a Pelosi presidency


House Democrats will press forward on Thursday with a House vote to officially greenlight impeachment proceedings into President Donald Trump's handling of aid to Ukraine while he was seeking an investigation of his political rival, Joe Biden.

What might follow could be a double impeachment scenario that would make heads spin and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi the president of the United States. After Pence, she's next in the line of succession

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/30/opinions/25th-amendment-impeachment-opinion-callan/index.html
 
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