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The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

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It's 100% perfectly fine and thoroughly acceptable to eavesdrop on an American candidate for POTUS, but it is bad politics, unjustifiable and completely out of left field to question corruption in another country.
 
Contrary to what you believe, we do not elect Kings in the United States, who are above the law.

But see, apparently we do. You have one half of congress that believes they are above the law. See, they don't like current immigration law. So what do they do? They openly defy the law by creating sanctuary cities and the like. See in their oh so important constitutional duties, they are supposed to write the laws, and as such, they could write new immigration law for the President to sign. But what they do is write laws that they know the President will not sign. They do it deliberately so that they can screech about how the President hates immigrants, and then they continue to openly violate the law by continuing to operate sanctuary cities and outwardly refusing to cooperate with federal law enforcement.

Nobody is above the law? Seems some are. Guess it only matters depending what side they are on.

Fortunately, most Americans see that "nobody is above the law" bullshit for the rank hypocrisy that it is.
 
to sum this all up:

It's 100% perfectly fine and thoroughly acceptable to eavesdrop on an American candidate for POTUS, but it is bad politics, unjustifiable and completely out of left field to question corruption in another country.

The whole thing is just another hoax witch hunt. It really makes the Dims look stupid, desperate, dishonest and anti-American. They should be doing their jobs to help America by passing the USMCA bill, working on a reasonable cost cutting spending bill, an infrastructure bill etc...
 
No one here is saying Russia didn't do anything in 2016.

But to completely exonerate Ukraine is bogus. It's not like the two countries don't have crossover or are completely separate. There have been pro-Russian factions in Ukraine since its inception. Just like there are pro-Ukrainian factions in Russia. I'm not even sure the borders are that enforced between the two countries, despite their proxy civil war.

Again, this was and never has been a black/white issue with our 2016 election, despite what Tibs wants to make it. Russia is NOT the only boogeyman out there. And Russia might not even be the biggest. And I still have yet to here what clear-cut "meddling" is defined as exactly.

We think (and it's not 100% proven) that Russia hacked the DNC servers (although I think the password to get into them was "password"). We don't know for sure if this "hack" was state sponsored all the way to the top (i.e. Putin) or just part of a state sponsored, general, cyber warfare day-to-day operation that happens every day (between both countries). We don't know if Putin plotted exactly how to release these documents or did they decide just to give them to Wikileaks and let them decide the how/when to release them.

We know that Trump's campaign didn't coordinate with Wikileaks on this but obviously they were interested in what was there (hell, the whole world was interested in what Wikileaks had exactly).

Then you can discuss other minor interference. Trying to hack into small-time, rural voting records (this easily could have come from servers locations in Russia and Ukraine). Buying adds on Facebook (which went both ways and promoted Sanders just as much as Trump - again could have come from computer houses in Russia and Ukraine).

If you are Russia, knowing that the U.S. is watching all your main server activity and main internet portals, wouldn't you also set up shops to do this in Ukraine? And couldn't it be possible that parts of Ukraine's corrupt government were complicit it this?

Tibs... this whole situation isn't nearly as black/white as you want to make it. Nor is it the sky-is-falling danger to our republic.

This happens ALL THE TIME. Constantly. It's happening now. From Russia. From China. From proxy states in Eastern Block countries. From North Korea possibly using computer houses in Southeast Asia. It wouldn't shock me that there are computers right now in Hungary trying to hack American Corporations, American Political Groups, etc.

Only because Trump won and you lost do you care so much. You didn't get the result you wanted and now it's the worse thing since burnt toast. You crying about it NOW is the EXACT REASON I don't take you seriously on this issue. If Clinton had won, you, our media, our congress, our country wouldn't give a rat's *** about this. It would be just another blip of how the internet works (not perfect) in a long line of how the internet works (not perfect).

That's why everything on this issue is fruit of the poisoned tree to me. The poison is your refusal to accept Trump as a legitimate, elected President. To accept that his positions on issues MATTER and are in agreement with many Americans (despite the mass media propaganda against it).

I don't care that he asked the new President of Ukraine to look into Hunter Biden. I think that's a legitimate question. I also don't care that he held up $400 billion in aid just to see how the new President would address corruption for TWO MONTHS before releasing the money. It is very common for money to be held up when a new President enters office in a historically corrupt country, despite what the career "diplomats" say. It is not their call. It is the President's.

The outrage does not match the crime. Just like the outrage of you and your democratic Never-Trumpers HAVE NEVER matched the crimes he so-called commits. Never. It is ALWAYS an overreaction. Always.

You have cried wolf too many times and now you have no credibility. Your party has no credibility. You say the Republican party is lost, but it is the Democrats who are lost. Lost with no platform and hate/overreaction against ONE PERSON, not against ideas. Not against positions. Not against issues. You are against a MAN.
 
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Donald J. Trump
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The Do Nothing Democrats had a historically bad day yesterday in the House. They have no Impeachment case and are demeaning our Country. But nothing matters to them, they have gone crazy. Therefore I say, if you are going to impeach me, do it now, fast, so we can have a fair trial in the Senate, and so that our Country can get back to business. We will have Schiff, the Bidens, Pelosi and many more testify, and will reveal, for the first time, how corrupt our system really is. I was elected to “Clean the Swamp,” and that’s what I am doing!



Awesome...do it libtards, you stupid *****. Send it to the Senate.
 
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Donald J. Trump
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The Do Nothing Democrats had a historically bad day yesterday in the House. They have no Impeachment case and are demeaning our Country. But nothing matters to them, they have gone crazy. Therefore I say, if you are going to impeach me, do it now, fast, so we can have a fair trial in the Senate, and so that our Country can get back to business. We will have Schiff, the Bidens, Pelosi and many more testify, and will reveal, for the first time, how corrupt our system really is. I was elected to “Clean the Swamp,” and that’s what I am doing!



Awesome...do it libtards, you stupid *****. Send it to the Senate.

I think they drag this out until election time, wishing, hoping, and praying it will sway enough votes to retake the Senate, if not the WH.
Well, OK, maybe not praying, but it's only another 11 months so I'm sure they can do it.
Last thing they should want is for it to go to the Senate now.
 
Or maybe he’s running arms to ISIS, or giving Iran Billions of dollars. Or telling them that they can keep their doctor and will pay less for healthcare. And telling them that they didn’t build that.

Maybe just maybe he's there to set up Don Jr for a sweet gig as Chairman of the Board of a natural gas company.
 
the same Dems who want to give healthcare to illegal immigrants are the same Dems who want to fine American citizens for not having healthcare.

pure hypocrisy
 
If lying about a blow job warranted impeachment then so does Trump’s conduct.
That did NOT warrant impeachment. The Clinton impeachment hearings were a witch hunt from Ken Starr and ultimately they were about Starr's near maniacal hatred of the Clintons dating back to allegedly crooked real estate dealings. (See, I said allegedly. I'm being impartial.)

It's bewildering that some of you are perfectly okay with our President - any President - trying to shake down the head of a foreign country to go after a domestic political opponent in an upcoming election.
It is equally bewildering that you are ok with a high-profile American politician blatantly exercising corruption in order to set up his son. One can only assume that you feel Hunter Biden OUGHT to be allowed to get whatever job and income he can through his father's political connections and bribery. It seems you would be absolutely FINE if Trump got his son Baron a job in Nuclear Power Administration for say... 750k a year. Cause I guess that's not a problem for you. Baron could probably do as good a job as anybody, right?

Things would be so much easier for everyone if we didn't have an unhinged, criminal mob boss running the country, working with foreign adversaries to undermine our national security and our elections.
Right? Those ******* Clintons.

I suggest you strive to elect government (sic)officals(sic), including to the highest office, who play by the rules and abide by the Constitution to achieve their political goals.
Honest to God. If you can find ONE I would be sincerely impressed. I defy you to find ONE decent politician. Just one.

gee whiz. Follow the money...namely Trump's lack of it back in the 80's and 90's and you'll have your answer.
So what you're suggesting is that the Russkies had an evil plan, dating all the way back to Madonna and Van Halen to get Trump in office! (And they would have gotten away with it to if it weren't for those pesky kids and their dog!)

Don't blame me if you're tired of the same old ****. Blame the ****** who's bedded down with Putin.
I can only assume you are either referencing Obama telling the "russkies" that he'd have more latitude to cooperate with them after his second election, or that you are referencing Hillary Clinton who sold the same evil russkies 1/4 of all our uranium rights. Cause we know Russians are historically responsible with extra uranium on their hands.

Maybe he was there to sell our uranium to the Russians
We don't have enough left. Hillary Clinton already shipped it off.

If that's the case, he picked the right destination. This town is teeming with Russians...of all denominations, including too many agents of the FSB to throw a rock at. The American alt right's favorite white Christian crusador Viktor Orban has opened the flood gates to the Russian secret service, much to the chagrin of the State Dept.
It sounds as though you are describing a place of rampant corruption. The kind of place where Joe Biden's kid gets a dream job although he has no prior experience whatsoever. Indeed, one would think that if a place was THIS corrupt, this perverse, it would be in the best interest of the U.S. to expose such corruption where it can. Unless of course the U.S. is not currently in the hands of the democrats. In THAT case, let's give Hunter a Christmas bonus, cause Russkies don't celebrate Christmas so MORE MONEY FOR CLAN BIDEN!

In closing, I just want to once again bring this minor point in to focus.

As I understand it, one of the major (indeed THE major) issue in this impeachment campaign is the idea that Trump used his political position and power to recommend an investigation of a political rival. (More directly a rival's son, but at the end of the day, potato potato.) This apparently is unethical and unconstitutional. Why? Because this alleged request for investigation was made during the run-up to an election and the obvious fallout could be the undermining of a political opponent. Fair enough? Ya?

So, and truly, I want to understand this, How is it NOT exactly the same situation with the democratic lead house pushing the Mueller Report, or chasing impeachment while requesting collaboration, testimony, even help from other foreign countries as they attack a political enemy in the lead up to an election? I mean there seems to be little to no doubt that what happened with Hunter Biden is "dirty". There is clearly some corruption and bribery there. Joe Biden himself brags about blackmailing the Ukraine government into getting rid of the investigator general who was previously looking into the Biden corruption case. So, if it is essentially unethical to request an investigation of a political rival in the lead up to an election, regardless of how obvious and clear the case is AGAINST said rival, how is it not equally unethical and unconstitutional for the democratic house to be doing precisely the same thing, (namely using their political power and connections to investigate a political rival during the lead up to an election?)

Moreover... If we slightly subvert the "follow the money" idea here to "follow the logic"... How does it help the democrats AT ALL to begin impeachment proceedings just 11 months before the election? Even at a fast rate, they cannot hope to have things resolved for at least 6 months. (And that's generous.) Even if they DID win, which is almost an impossibility, they best they could do is replace the President with the Vice President for a few months.

It doesn't make ANY sense at all. The only way it makes sense is if the democrats believe beyond any reasonable doubt that Trump will win the 2020 election. (Even then it makes more sense to begin the impeachment immediately upon commencement of his 2nd term.) The fact is, this entire move is geared toward one thing and one thing only. It is the desperate hope that the democrats can generate enough negativity and fear to somehow undermine the president in the 2020 election. Which AGAIN is a very clear and obvious abuse of their political power for personal gain.

Whether you like Trump or not, there can be no arguing that at BEST the democrats are guilty of the exact things they are accusing Trump of. At WORST, they are far more duplicitous and corrupt. They are demonstrating that they are willing to go to any means to stage a political coup to get their man/woman/person of indeterminate gender in office in 2020.
 
Number of people who give a flying **** about what four law school instructors (you know, people that don't actually practice law and are very rusty on the whole "admissible evidence" and "burden of proof" thing) say about what others have said others have told them about something somebody heard or saw:

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Oh, and I am seriously going to take advice about anything - ANYTHING - from this guy?

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Jesus Christ, his pants have more "X's" than the 2002 Super Bowl.
 
Whether you like Trump or not, there can be no arguing that at BEST the democrats are guilty of the exact things they are accusing Trump of. At WORST, they are far more duplicitous and corrupt. They are demonstrating that they are willing to go to any means to stage a political coup to get their man/woman/person of indeterminate gender in office in 2020.
And THAT, by the way is what a huge portion of the American people see and are frustrated with.

THAT is why the republican fund-raising machine is exploding and more and more people are quietly shifting their support further and further to the current administration. The democrats have failed in their strategy of "die on every hill". The problem there is that after awhile, you don't have enough troops left to keep dying on hills. They've produced no useful, realistic legislation. They've spent the last 3 years battling on hills they cannot hope to win. (How were they going to realistically block a supreme court nomination and acceptance? The democrats were the ones who created the nuclear option in the first place that made any efforts they wanted to take to block the appointment completely pointless.)
They chased after a "Russian Collusion" hoax while ignoring the domestic collusion that took place with Facebook, Google and other social media giants. They've spent the last 6 months on Ukraine, despite the fact that the administration immediately released transcripts of the "damning phone conversation". Transcripts that in no way provide evidence that Trump did anything other than say, "ya, you should look in to that." Nowhere does Trump do what Biden did and say, "I'm not giving you the 1 Billion dollars unless you do THIS!" He simply never said or even implied that. And yet, die on that hill they shall.

And all of it. All the constant barbs, negative stories, attempted scandal exposees, are the realization of one strategy and one strategy alone. Constant, unyielding resistance. Undermine, threaten, attack and destroy at every single opportunity 24/365 in order to begin the long, arduous process of turning the American people against its own government. Bit by bit, day by day the goal is the utter and complete undermining of respect for and belief in the government of the United States. It's what they've been after for 3 years and it's what they will continue to push until our way of government is utterly gone. They want an oligarchy, controlled by the rich and powerful. We are merely peasants who ought to do as we are told and who will be used to provide support and sustenance to the aristocracy.
 
Great posts wig.

Well done. Tibs has nothing on that. Nothing. No argument he makes comes CLOSE to your arguments in merit or thought or impartiality.

Again, we lived through OPEN corruption with Obama, Biden, Clinton, DOJ, IRS and EPA for eight years. Our media and congress stood by and did nothing. A bleep there. An article here. An investigation there.

But now that's it Trump. By GOD! Our Republic is at stake! Our country! How can you sit there and not agree!

It's a joke. Every day since November 7, 2016. From the lame protests the day after, to the questioning the electoral college, et. al. EVERY ******* DAY.
 
Ha ha ha!


Nancy Pelosi just had a nervous fit. She hates that we will soon have 182 great new judges and sooo much more. Stock Market and employment records. She says she “prays for the President.” I don’t believe her, not even close. Help the homeless in your district Nancy. USMCA?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 5, 2019
 
And they wouldn't spend $5 billion to secure our border.

Well, yeah, see because ... RACIST!!

One of my favorite spending boondoggles that Paul highlighted: $51 million spent to finance climate scientists to compile already-published literature. And hey, guess what? A lot of that money went to flying 53 scientists to Hawaii for the project and of course putting them up in nice hotels near the beach.

Yes, that's right, the Federal government spent more than $51 million in having scientists lounge around in Hawaii to put together a paper simply repeating what other papers had found, i.e., something that one person could have done with Google Science in his basement. Re-runs for a mere $51 million!! What a deal!!
 
Dems 2020 is like the Hindenburg crashing into the Titanic!

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Buttigieg condemns white Black Lives Matter activist who started brawl at his campaign event

Mayor Pete Buttigieg, blasted a Black Lives Matter activist who started a fight at his campaign event organized by black community leaders.

"It's unfortunate, and it shows kind of where politics is come to, especially for somebody to interrupt an African American woman who is speaking about her truth and her experience," the 2020 Democratic presidential contender told MSNBC in a Thursday interview. The 37-year-old was not present at the event. "But, this is the climate we are in," he added about the brawl.

On Wednesday, the Buttigieg campaign held an event for black leaders, which was crashed by Black Lives Matter protesters. At one point, a man grabbed the microphone from Councilwoman Sharon McBride. "Who chose these people as the black leaders?" the man yelled as organizers tried to wrestle the microphone from his hand.

"Don't make me put this cane up your BUTTigieg!" - heroic black woman says to white man stealing the mic from a black woman

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ivist-who-started-brawl-at-his-campaign-event

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Booker and Castro accuse DNC of excluding minorities

Cory Booker and Julián Castro are taking aim at the Democratic National Committee over a primary process they say is excluding them from this month’s debate but allowing a billionaire to buy his way on to the stage.

California Sen. Kamala Harris’ abrupt departure from the 2020 race Tuesday has exposed the lack of diversity among the remaining group of top candidates. Despite falling from the top tier, Harris was the leading candidate of color and the only minority candidate to qualify for December’s debate in Los Angeles.

Entrepreneur Andrew Yang and Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, however, are on the cusp of making the cut.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/05/cory-booker-julian-castro-dnc-minorities-076432
 
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