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The removal of the past.....because it's upsetting to some

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While we're at it, ....lets removal. Well you pick there is so many to pick from.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/17/us/new-orleans-confederate-monuments-vote/index.html

(CNN)A large crowd broke into cheers Thursday after the New Orleans City Council voted to remove four monuments to the Confederacy from prominent places in the city.

The 6-1 vote means officials will take down statues of Gens. Robert E. Lee, P.G.T. Beauregard and Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederacy. An obelisk dedicated to the Battle of Liberty Place will also go.


It's one of the strongest gestures yet by an American city to remove symbols of Confederate history, following a trend in many Southern states to take down the Confederate battle flag.
 
Vincent said:
And their tool that occupies our White House.
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Does that mean we car eradicate Bomma statues in a few years when they go up?
 
..... dear leader will lead us down the path to our salvation. All past history does not matter. Only what dear leader says is right.....:)
 
History is written by the victors. If P.G.T. Beauregard had kept driving instead of retiring when the union line broke and was put to flight at 1st Manassass he would have overrun Washington and they would not be desecrating his monument. Of course if Lee had listened to Longstreetand secured the high ground on the first day at Gettysburg I'd be paying my taxes to Richmond and you Yankee people would need a passport to come to Florida.
 
Next we remove all Washington DC statues and monuments of those like Jefferson who was a slave owner.
America was rotten from its founding. Monuments are symbols of our oppressive past. We are why third world countries exist today.
 
DBS1970 said:
History is written by the victors. If P.G.T. Beauregard had kept driving instead of retiring when the union line broke and was put to flight at 1st Manassass he would have overrun Washington and they would not be desecrating his monument. Of course if Lee had listened to Longstreetand secured the high ground on the first day at Gettysburg I'd be paying my taxes to Richmond and you Yankee people would need a passport to come to Florida.
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Like Hank Jr. said: "If the South would've won, we'd a had it made!".
 
 
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After the SC shitfest I bought two very high quality, 3'x5' Stars and Bars standards. Neither has yet flown under my Old Glory, under which flies a Gadsden but the day is coming when it will be added. And on that day Old Glory will be inverted. I know, I know,......"what am I waiting for"?
 
Wait, what?

The CITY COUNCIL voted to do this. This was not some act of fiat, THIS WAS DEMOCRACY in action. This is how democracy works. And no one's rights are being violated here. No private entity is being forced to do anything. Many people in the south are EMBARRASSED about the history of slavery. They don't want it promoted by the local government. The people voted for these council members, who then voted for these changes. I don't see what the hand wringing is about. Democracy worked exactly as it should.
 
Steel Vanguard said:
Wait, what?

The CITY COUNCIL voted to do this. This was not some act of fiat, THIS WAS DEMOCRACY in action. This is how democracy works. And no one's rights are being violated here. No private entity is being forced to do anything. Many people in the south are EMBARRASSED about the history of slavery. They don't want it promoted by the local government. The people voted for these council members, who then voted for these changes. I don't see what the hand wringing is about. Democracy worked exactly as it should.
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But only because the action of the council falls in line with your political ideology. If they had done something which you don't agree with there would be name calling and teeth gnashing.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
But only because the action of the council falls in line with your political ideology. If they had done something which you don't agree with there would be name calling and teeth gnashing.
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Not to mention that it wasn't "democracy " in action......if it was REAL democracy would the people of NO have voted to do this or was it done by a group of "Representatives " who were being influenced by special interest.? We know how evil special interest are, right?
 
Steel Vanguard said:
Wait, what?

The CITY COUNCIL voted to do this. This was not some act of fiat, THIS WAS DEMOCRACY in action. This is how democracy works. And no one's rights are being violated here. No private entity is being forced to do anything. Many people in the south are EMBARRASSED about the history of slavery. They don't want it promoted by the local government. The people voted for these council members, who then voted for these changes. I don't see what the hand wringing is about. Democracy worked exactly as it should.
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Thanks for the civics lesson........what's your point?
 
Steel Vanguard said:
Wait, what?

The CITY COUNCIL voted to do this. This was not some act of fiat, THIS WAS DEMOCRACY in action. This is how democracy works. And no one's rights are being violated here. No private entity is being forced to do anything. Many people in the south are EMBARRASSED about the history of slavery. They don't want it promoted by the local government. The people voted for these council members, who then voted for these changes. I don't see what the hand wringing is about. Democracy worked exactly as it should.
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The people in the South should be no more EMBARRASSED by slavery than the people of the North. The North had slaves as well. If these EMBARRASSED Southerners should be EMBARRASSED by anything it should be about wanting to preserve slavery, while the North had already abolished it.

Which brings up an on going controversy. Was the Civil War fought only to end slavery? Were these monuments of Confederate leaders taken down because they fought only to preserve the right of slave ownership?

There are compelling arguments that the Civil War was fought primarily to end slavery, and other arguments suggesting that slavery was only one component.

R.E. Lee, a West Point grad, initially struggled to choose which side he would fight, resigned from the Army and fought for the Confederacy...but not because he wanted to preserve slavery ....too all you N.O. morons that voted to remove his statue.

... In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.
— Robert E. Lee, to Mary Anna Lee, December 27, 1856


Lee generally supported civil rights for all, as well as a system of free public schools for blacks, but forthrightly opposed allowing blacks to vote. "My own opinion is that, at this time, they [black Southerners] cannot vote intelligently, and that giving them the [vote] would lead to a great deal of demagogism, and lead to embarrassments in various ways," Lee stated


Oh how some things never change.
 
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Congress doesn't seem to be embarrassed about continuing to enslave coloreds with their policies. But this is how democracy works so there is nothing to ***** about I guess. By the way, substitute "liberals" for "blacks" in that Lee quote, and it is incredibly prescient.

Also, ALLCAPS are gay.
 
Stewey said:
Oh how some things never change.
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Yeh Stewey, you're right, some things never change and the slugfest between the race's is just getting started from the looks of our Universities. My monthly dose of Fred is an eye opening reminder and his interpretation of the daily events is unfortunately sad but true. His target last month was the Missouri campus but the thoughts can be easily transferred to any platform discussed in this thread.

White Privilege is real, of course. It is a combination of high genetic intelligence, studiousness, a tendency toward intellectual exploration, the capacity to organize, sustained hard work, and conscientiousness. There is a reason why whites design Mars landers and black athletes do not.

To make this point clearly (See? It is my tendency toward intellectual exploration), let us consider the following questions:

How many of the black athletes, or black radicals at Missouri, or anywhere, have any business being at a university? How many have IQs below ninety? How many are way below? How many are studying real subjects, such as chemistry, languages, philosophy, literature, or history—as distinct from subjects for the enfeebled, Black Studies, Sociology, Education, and Breathing for Credit?

Stray thought: If universities accepted only those with intelligence and interest, the noise level would drop appreciably. I am for it.

Then Fred gets really "racist" in his musings....

Daily the country ties itself in knots to keep blacks happy, which is impossible—to placate them, to soothe their disturbances, give them everything they want but can’t or won’t earn. Nothing satisfies them. They shut down political meetings, loot shoe stores, burn cities. We back away. Always we back away.

We give and give and give—Head Start, Section Eight housing, AFDC, Obamaphones, medical care, free rides at university. If they can’t pass a test, we abolish the test and apologize, apologize, apologize.

Nobody ever, ever, tells them “No.” Might this be called Black Privilege?

“Try contributing instead of demanding. I mean, beyond blues, basketball, and arson. Remember, we the white privileged invented both cities and matches. And virtually everything else that allows you to complain in comfort.”

I am of a mind to listen when he tells us his solutions and I really do have friends and golf partners that are black. We even agree on some of these premises ......but then again, they don't exactly fall into the stereotyped image Fred projects.

People inside the Beltway have little idea of circumstances in the rest of the country. Note how surprised they were by Trump. A lot of people in that great unknown America are angry. A lot of whites outside the effeminate states are saying of racial conflagration, “Bring it on.” Not a good idea, you say. True, not a good idea at all. But what has that got to do with it?

Perhaps the best of the possibly possible solutions is de facto, tacitly encouraged, mutually accepted segregation wherever practical—universities, schools, police forces, maybe the military, and housing. The races have little in common and utterly different cultural backgrounds. England isn’t Africa (well, it pretty much is these days, but it wasn’t.) For the most part segregation would not have to be forced, but just allowed.

And then maybe we could have our universities back
http://fredoneverything.org/missouri-taking-the-national-temperture/.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
But only because the action of the council falls in line with your political ideology. If they had done something which you don't agree with there would be name calling and teeth gnashing.
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You're assuming that I'M YOU. I'm not. Democracy tends to work better at the local level, and it worked here. I happen do disagree with the decision. Lee is most certainly a part of southern history, and erasing him will not erase the legacy of slavery. It's a band aid solution, just like removing the confederate flag. But again, no one's rights have been violated, so democracy has functioned as it should.
 
The interesting thing about this to me is that the people of New Orleans chose to remove these statues via their elected officials. At the same time they chose to be kept on the Poverty Plantation via The Dole via those same elected officials. Even in a direct referendum the population of New Orleans would have voted to remove the monuments because incorporated NO is overwhelmingly black.
 
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