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The state of our secondary.

jitter77 said:
He was able to get back because it was a lob pass in the back of the EZ. If it was in the middle of the field it would / should have led the receiver on a line. No one could have recovered to save that unless the pass was bad.
I do agree that we do not know what the coverage was, but either way it was not some amazing play by Davis. He got beat off the line and was only able to recover because the pass was high and the WR was basically stopped. I guess that it is good he did not give up on the play though...for the record I like Davis and think he will be fine if playing the right spot, but that one play dI'd not show me anything special.
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So you don't think the defensive scheme was to use the back of the EZ to their advantage? They most likely would have play it differently in the middle of the field. Maybe.
 
jitter77 said:
He was able to get back because it was a lob pass in the back of the EZ. If it was in the middle of the field it would / should have led the receiver on a line. No one could have recovered to save that unless the pass was bad.
I do agree that we do not know what the coverage was, but either way it was not some amazing play by Davis. He got beat off the line and was only able to recover because the pass was high and the WR was basically stopped. I guess that it is good he did not give up on the play though...for the record I like Davis and think he will be fine if playing the right spot, but that one play dI'd not show me anything special.
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Exactly the point Still was pointing out to you..The defense called knowing the back of the end zone could come into play could have very well called for Davis to be in a trail position. I don't know. Maybe he was beaten I don't know. The issue is Coach is harping on that one aspect of the play to reinforce his point that Davis can't play. He won't even acknowledge the rest of the play. That Davis made up the cushion the WR had and was able to get his hand on the ball. It wasn't a spectacular play by Davis at all and it wasn't necessarily a very bad one either..WR made great catch
 
Coach said:
This is the problem. You don't know jack. . Davis had him in coverage and he was beaten. Like I said he knew he was beaten and trying to hold.

If letting a player blow by you and trying to hold him is part of a planned coverage I never heard of it.
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Your first two sentences sum up all you need to know about this tool, dumbest poster on this board.
 
Clete said:
Your first two sentences sum up all you need to know about this tool, dumbest poster on this board.
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Hey Clete how you doing today.. today is new a day. Did you take your meds today?? It's very important that you don't forget
 
antdrewjosh said:
Hey Clete how you doing today.. today is new a day. Did you take your meds today?? It's very important that you don't forget
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You are so predictable and stupid. Keep trying to obfuscate and change the subject when you are again outed as the mental midget you are. Go back and get your government cheese and your Obama phone you useless tit.
 
Clete said:
You are so predictable and stupid. Keep trying to obfuscate and change the subject when you are again outed as the mental midget you are. Go back and get your government cheese and your Obama phone you useless tit.
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You have got to calm down man. LMAO.

Sure would like to know what was proven though. I've already said I'm not sure whether Davis was beaten initially or in trail but I do know he recovered enough to get his hand on the ball and the WR then got a lucky bounce and kudos to him for taking a big hit and keeping his concentration. But to use that play as a indication of anything Davis can or can't do is stupid..
 
I see we're in mid season form with each other already...hahaha. Good stuff! A good pass rush will make your corners look great. A lousy pass rush and the best corners around will look mediocre. Smash them at the line and rush the passer well. That should be the goal if we have the horses to do it is the big ?
 
why are you arguing whether or not a ROOKIE in a PRESEASON game was beat or not? Oh because we want to prove ourselves right or wrong in our draft assessment..... oh yeah ,, I forgot... Joel Bushbaum for president
 
antdrewjosh said:
Exactly the point Still was pointing out to you..The defense called knowing the back of the end zone could come into play could have very well called for Davis to be in a trail position. I don't know. Maybe he was beaten I don't know. The issue is Coach is harping on that one aspect of the play to reinforce his point that Davis can't play. He won't even acknowledge the rest of the play. That Davis made up the cushion the WR had and was able to get his hand on the ball. It wasn't a spectacular play by Davis at all and it wasn't necessarily a very bad one either..WR made great catch
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Davis has had a poor pre season. He's been run over and beaten in coverage. Lowlights. Much improvement is needed. I think he be a liability this season.

The only reason Davis was near play is because it was in the end zone and the receiver had to stop for the ball. Can you acknowledge that? Like I said he was 2 yards behind the Saints WR. Beaten. And can you also admit he tried to hold?

-Coach
 
The D has no idea where the end zone is. None. QB did not have to throw it high in order to avoid the DBs.

Davis was able to make up the space. Likely he KNEW where the EZ was and/or expected someone else to help over the top. He MADE UP THE SPACE and got his hands on the ball. A lucky break for the WR that the ball fell into his hands.

Davis showed some ability to cover space. Why can't you see that positive? Why can't you think past the "Davis was a reach" narrow view to think that the idea that it was only 2 yards because the WR had to stop at the EZ might have been something the players understood?

Never mind. I know why.
 
ark steel said:
The D has no idea where the end zone is. None. QB did not have to throw it high in order to avoid the DBs.

Davis was able to make up the space. Likely he KNEW where the EZ was and/or expected someone else to help over the top. He MADE UP THE SPACE and got his hands on the ball. A lucky break for the WR that the ball fell into his hands.

Davis showed some ability to cover space. Why can't you see that positive? Why can't you think past the "Davis was a reach" narrow view to think that the idea that it was only 2 yards because the WR had to stop at the EZ might have been something the players understood?

Never mind. I know why.
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The defense had no idea where the end zone was? I say most db's known where the end zone is. How could they not?

I can cover space on a slow pass with a high arch where a player stops and jumps.

Davis who was 2 yards behind the WR caught up due to the pass, which IMO would have been an easier play had the ball been thrown sooner.

Nothing was lucky here.
 
Coach said:
The defense had no idea where the end zone was? I say most db's known where the end zone is. How could they not?

I can cover space on a slow pass with a high arch where a player stops and jumps.

Davis who was 2 yards behind the WR caught up due to the pass, which IMO would have been an easier play had the ball been thrown sooner.

Nothing was lucky here.
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Exactly all of my points!. I was being sarcastic about the D not knowing the EZ. The pass had to be slow and arcing to avoid INT or being overthrown. I SERIOUSLY doubt you could have made that play. Don't be any more ridiculous than you already are. You could, easily, admit Davis made a decent play yethe still needs work, but that is just too much!!!

So. WR falls to the ground on his back after having the ball knocked from his hands. He is on his back very near the EZ and, even with all of the contact, isnt touching the white line. Ball falls into his hands. Yeah, doesn't sound like luck.
 
ark steel said:
Exactly all of my points!. I was being sarcastic about the D not knowing the EZ. The pass had to be slow and arcing to avoid INT or being overthrown. I SERIOUSLY doubt you could have made that play. Don't be any more ridiculous than you already are. You could, easily, admit Davis made a decent play yethe still needs work, but that is just too much!!!

So. WR falls to the ground on his back after having the ball knocked from his hands. He is on his back very near the EZ and, even with all of the contact, isnt touching the white line. Ball falls into his hands. Yeah, doesn't sound like luck.
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Now you're talking crazy, Oh I see you were being sarcastic about the defenders not knowing where the end zone was. Rather convenient to say that now.

I never said I could make the play. Don't put words in my mouth. I never I said if the ball is in the in the air for a while and the other players stop, I too can make up ground. DUH. That's what Davis did after being beaten.

My point. 1 ) He was beaten 2 ) he tried to hold because he was beaten and failed there too 3 ) when the ball was in the air and the other player had to stop and jump, yes he made up some ground but still did not make the play. Touchdown against.

Davis has been pretty bad this pre-season. Just admit that, and cross your fingers he can hold his own during the regular season because we have little depth at safety. I have serious doubts about Davis. I hope Butler doesn't give him many cover 3 assignments.
 
jitter77 said:
I have to agree with Coach. If that play was not in the EZ the receiver would have blown by Davis. Now the receiver did make a great catch, but if there was more field and the receiver was led properly that would have been a huge play (think Fitzgerald in the SB). I thought Davis was supposed to play safety, but they keep playing him at CB which is his weakness.
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If the play isn't in the EZ, Golden wouldn't be hugging up on the guy in the middle.
And, if that were the case, Davis would not have been playing so aggressively off the line.

Come on man.
 
Bottom line...we need cb depth big time and we have no idea if Burns can start. Gay is much better as a slot cb, and to be honest, we have no slot cb at all without Gay. That why I have ben advocating trading for Rowe. Let Rowe and Burns battle it out for the starting cb job and let Gay play the slot.
 
Coach said:
Now you're talking crazy, Oh I see you were being sarcastic about the defenders not knowing where the end zone was. Rather convenient to say that now.

I never said I could make the play. Don't put words in my mouth. I never I said if the ball is in the in the air for a while and the other players stop, I too can make up ground. DUH. That's what Davis did after being beaten.

My point. 1 ) He was beaten 2 ) he tried to hold because he was beaten and failed there too 3 ) when the ball was in the air and the other player had to stop and jump, yes he made up some ground but still did not make the play. Touchdown against.

Davis has been pretty bad this pre-season. Just admit that, and cross your fingers he can hold his own during the regular season because we have little depth at safety. I have serious doubts about Davis. I hope Butler doesn't give him many cover 3 assignments.
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WTF does
I can cover space on a slow pass with a high arch where a player stops and jumps.
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mean? Sounds like any dumbass from a message board can make up that space so it is no big deal that Davis did or that you think you could make the play. No idea WTF you could have meant, I guess.

Oh I see you were being sarcastic about the defenders not knowing where the end zone was. Rather convenient to say that now.
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I think most people figured that out as I was defending the idea that Davis was beaten so badly and that he, I presume because he is an actual player, knew the receiver didn't have much more grass to run. If that was the middle of the field, does he let him run by like that or does he have Safety help over the top. We don't know 1) We don't know everyone's responsibilities on the play and 2) it wasn't in the middle of the field.

regardless of whether you think Davis was so terribly beaten, he was in the position that the QB had to throw a high pass into the back of the EZ. Lots of times those don't end up caught in bounds. Because of that position, Davis was able to make up the space AND concentrate on the trajectory of the ball AND jump as high as the WR to knock the ball down. A lucky bounce allowed the WR to complete the TD, anyway.


He didn't just cover space, he got there as the ball did and separated the WR from the ball. I'd expect that to be incomplete 90%+ of the time. While it was still a TD, the ball fell right to the receiver who was laying on the ground. Davis did what it took to stop the TD. A lucky break created the TD, Davis didn't, exactly, "give up the TD".
 
Ark cut the **** Davis sucks. Get with the program already. Stop viewing the play without an agenda and you will clearly see the play like Coach does.
 
I have some serious issues with Davis's ability to defend a player after he's made a play on the ball and the receiver is laying prone on the ground...
 
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