THE SYSTEM HAS FAILED

[Drink IRON City]

I don’t quite get the mistakes Art 1 made? He hired Noll and the rest was history.
Are you talking pre Noll?

There was 40 years of getting our asZ’s kicked in every direction, so Art SR. Obviously wasn’t a football brain child. His players loved him none the less.

Art Sr., but Dan was also involved with Steeler football (i think scouting & player) but both had input as Dan eventually took over.

Yes, certainly Noll was the turning point in coaching and Joe Green was the turning point in player.


Salute the nation

 

[GMC]

Dan Rooney My 75 years with the Pittsburgh Steelers and the NFL is a great read if you're interested in the history of the team.

 

[Hypocycloids]

There was 40 years of getting our asZ’s kicked in every direction, so Art SR. Obviously wasn’t a football brain child. His players loved him none the less.

Art Sr., but Dan was also involved with Steeler football (i think scouting & player) but both had input as Dan eventually took over.

Yes, certainly Noll was the turning point in coaching and Joe Green was the turning point in player.


Salute the nation

Oh yes. Now you got me started.
Browns fans keep us well aware of the fact that we sucked between 1933 and 1970.
Otherwise we wouldn’t know! LOL
Why does it even matter I say?
The difference is I tell them is that none of us lived it, as you sit there immersed in your misery since 1990. So things aren’t really even.

Also, they like to point to 1999 when the Browns retuned as the time that they began to succk.
Not true. They were terrible during the early 90’s as well.

They simply picked up where they left off when they returned in 99.
That shuts them up every time.

 

[Coryea]

Oh yes. Now you got me started.
Browns fans keep us well aware of the fact that we sucked between 1933 and 1970.
Otherwise we wouldn’t know! LOL
Why does it even matter I say?
The difference is I tell them is that none of us lived it, as you sit there immersed in your misery since 1990. So things aren’t really even.

Also, they like to point to 1999 when the Browns retuned as the time that they began to succk.
Not true. They were terrible during the early 90’s as well.

They simply picked up where they left off when they returned in 99.
That shuts them up every time.

The only part now that sucks is that they've won a playoff game more recent than we have, and they're the only team to win a playoff game in Pittsburgh this decade.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Oh yes. Now you got me started.
Browns fans keep us well aware of the fact that we sucked between 1933 and 1970.
Otherwise we wouldn’t know! LOL
Why does it even matter I say?
The difference is I tell them is that none of us lived it, as you sit there immersed in your misery since 1990. So things aren’t really even.

Also, they like to point to 1999 when the Browns retuned as the time that they began to succk.
Not true. They were terrible during the early 90’s as well.

They simply picked up where they left off when they returned in 99.
That shuts them up every time.

I love it, I have a browns fan as well. We all should have at least one in our b ack pocket.!!!

Ben owned them to the degree of having a better win / loss record in Their home town stadium, for quite awhile. Until Baker Dozen came along and finally changed that.



Salute the nation

 

[Hypocycloids]

The only part now that sucks is that they've won a playoff game more recent than we have, and they're the only team to win a playoff game in Pittsburgh this decade.

Yeah that sucked.
The Clowns do get one on us every 10 years or so.

In 1976 Turkey Jones planted Bradshaw. And they still talk about it.
In 1989 they beat us 51-0. And they still talk about it.
In 1999 we lose to the expansion Browns 15 -16 in our house, after whipping them 43-0 in the opener.
In 2014 they beat us 31-10
In 2020 we lose to them in the playoffs…that the worst one of all.

 

[steelhurt]

The Browns, please! Ask them how many SB’s they’ve won. Better yet, ask them how many SB’s they’ve been to.
It’s a big fat zero just like they are.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

The Browns, please! Ask them how many SB’s they’ve won. Better yet, ask them how many SB’s they’ve been to.
It’s a big fat zero just like they are.

But those knuckle dragging mouth breathers will sure chirp about some championships when there were 8 teams in the league

 

[Hypocycloids]

The Browns, please! Ask them how many SB’s they’ve won. Better yet, ask them how many SB’s they’ve been to.
It’s a big fat zero just like they are.

They are one of 4 remaining that have never made an appearance…Jax and the Texans are newer franchises.
I had high hopes for Detroit getting there just so I can say that the Browns are the only old school franchise never to have made an appearance .

 

[Sarge]

While I don’t disagree, I’m simply resigned to the fact that little will change until Art II and Tomlin are no longer involved with the operations of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

 

[Confluence]

About 15 years ago, when I was a bit more excitable on this site and there were more trolls (from other teams, not cooch), a wise Admin/Owner admonished me for writing something like: "Steeler fans are just like ______ fans, but just better" or something insightful like that, saying that Steeler fans are just like other fans, even Browns fans.

So it is with a bit of sadness that I note a whole bunch of posts comparing Steelers and stains in this thread #2 of the SN Welcome Back Diamond Dave posts/drive-by musings.

 

[carbonsteel]

We do not have a coaching staff that can develop players which is why the draft will not benefit this team the way it did in the 70’s.
On just coaching alone - why would Aaron Rodger’s pick Pittsburgh over Minnesota ? He would be stupid to with the current state of this franchise, ownership , coaching and training staff.

 

[Steeltime]

Gary Glick anyone or how about Dick Leftridge or Bob Ferguson? These were some of the turkeys drafted number one in those days.

What about this former Steelers QB?

Supe's favorite of all-time.

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

Gary Glick anyone or how about Dick Leftridge or Bob Ferguson? These were some of the turkeys drafted number one in those days.

And when they did draft studs they let them.go elsewhere. In particular a certain pair of Hall of Fame quarterbacks the Steelers drafted in the first round and traded.

Bobby Layne, traded without playing a game because he didn't want to play for the Steelers and Len Dawson who was traded after three years having played only a handful of ganes (ironically because the Steelers brought Layne back for his twilight years)

 

[MT~Forged]

And when they did draft studs they let them.go elsewhere. In particular a certain pair of Hall of Fame quarterbacks the Steelers drafted in the first round and traded.

Bobby Layne, traded without playing a game because he didn't want to play for the Steelers and Len Dawson who was traded after three years having played only a handful of ganes (ironically because the Steelers brought Layne back for his twilight years)

Don’t forget Unitas

 

[NorthernBlitz]

While I don’t disagree, I’m simply resigned to the fact that little will change until Art II and Tomlin are no longer involved with the operations of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I think it's more that nothing will change until we find a QB that's above average (likely well above average).

In today's AFC, WC teams are very likely to get one of Mahomes, Allen, Jackson/Burrow, or Stroud on WC weekend. I'd take Stroud of those guys, but the other 4 are maybe the best 4 QBs in the league (certainly all in the discussion for top 5).

So to win a WC in the AFC, you essentially have to be a SB contender.

And you're just not a SB contender when you're running post-injury Ben / Mason / Duck / Mitch / Kenny / Fields / old-Wilson.

We won't be a SB contender no matter who get get under center this year (I'm hoping that we just roll with Mason if the other option is to pay a significant amount for Rodgers or Wilson).

Looks like we're trying to stockpile comp picks for next year. So, my guess is that we're planning to move up and draft a QB next year. Hopefully we don't miss. But most QBs fail...

 

[Drink IRON City]

****-ed


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[steelhurt]

And when they did draft studs they let them.go elsewhere. In particular a certain pair of Hall of Fame quarterbacks the Steelers drafted in the first round and traded.

Bobby Layne, traded without playing a game because he didn't want to play for the Steelers and Len Dawson who was traded after three years having played only a handful of ganes (ironically because the Steelers brought Layne back for his twilight years)

Bobby Layne whose great years were in Detroit was traded to Steelers during the 1958 season. He played here from then through the 1962 season and although was old still played QB better than anyone we had ever had. I remember Bobby in the early 60’s with Buddy Parker as HC.
Lenny Dawson we did draft but we never played him so they got rid of him.
Johnny Unitas, the local kid who played HS at St.Justins HS in Mount Washington where I grew up was also a Steeler. Got rid of Johnny U. as well.
The old man Rooney was a real bumbling, stumbling idiot when it came to running a team. Great guy but clueless owner. Easily manipulated which sounds familiar to ArtI II.

 

[steelhurt]

What about this former Steelers QB?

Supe's favorite of all-time.

Oh yeah I remember Shiner! We certainly did have some real turkeys here.
Any of you remember Bill Nelson QB from the 60’s who was bad here but went to the Browns and played well for them.In the 60’s the Browns were really good. Days of Jim Brown, Gary Collin’s.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

About 15 years ago, when I was a bit more excitable on this site and there were more trolls (from other teams, not cooch), a wise Admin/Owner admonished me for writing something like: "Steeler fans are just like ______ fans, but just better" or something insightful like that, saying that Steeler fans are just like other fans, even Browns fans.

So it is with a bit of sadness that I note a whole bunch of posts comparing Steelers and stains in this thread #2 of the SN Welcome Back Diamond Dave posts/drive-by musings.

Sadly even the Stains have been better in the playoffs recently, not by much…but better nonetheless

Then the Stains chased away their QB for Watson, lmao in an ultimate Stains maneuver and got themselves right back into the gutter.

The Stains gonna Stain
Sadly this compares to our Groundhog Day Steelers that also Steeler it up every year.

It’s like the difference between eating a **** sandwich (the Stains) or in our case a **** sandwich with bacon…still tastes like
**** tho

 

[KentuckySteeler]

Mike Tomlin has acquired too much power and it’s an anchor around the team’s neck. He’s been part of two Super Bowl champions, 2002 Tampa and 2008 Pittsburgh, both featuring pedestrian offenses carried by great defense.

He not only thinks this is the formula, but he also thinks that it doesn’t require the scheming provided by outstanding coordinators like Monte Kiffin and Dick LeBeau. Julian Edelman blew his cover earlier this offseason and Big Ben corroborated — he literally thinks you can run the same vanilla schemes and just out-execute the other guys, that the totality of coaching guys up is firing them up to play hard.

It’s staggering how misguided this is and no surprise that when they play X’s andO’s tacticians they get humiliated. It’s also why they play down to bad opponents so often, they can’t get fired up to play a 2-10 team.

Worse yet, Rooney is 100% behind him, this isn’t ending anytime soon. I hate to say it, but I feel that in 8-10 years we’ll still be talking about the playoff win drought and non-losing season streak.

Nice way of saying that Tomlin is a clown and an idiot. I agree. What an embarrassment to take the interest away from so many Steeler fans, know it, and not even care because you are cashing those paychecks.. Despicable

 

[Sarge]

I think it's more that nothing will change until we find a QB that's above average (likely well above average).

I don’t think Tomlin could win with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow or Jackson. He is living in a bygone era of football, convinced that he’s just a player or two away because he’s never had a losing season. His offensive and defensive schemes are outdated, risk averse and nothing else. Until he decides to try and adapt to the modern game AND gets a well above average QB, he will be nothing more than he is right now as a football coach.

I mean never having a losing season is great and all, but if that’s his claim to fame, he’ll never be one of the greats. He’s holding himself (and his team) back. Guy could be a legend if he’d won more in the playoffs.

 

[NorthernBlitz]

I don’t think Tomlin could win with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow or Jackson. ...

This could be right. Allen, Burrow, and Jackson have yet to win after all. In part because it's so very hard to get past Mahomes. He's a generational talent. And he's in a good system. And IMO they tend to use their cap money pretty well. Especially since they got lucky that (1) Mahomes didn't require them to pay him his market value (like Brady before him) and (2) they signed the best QB of this generation during the most uncertain financial times the NFL has had since at least UFA so they got him on a sweet-heart deal.

But I think it's worth remembering that once upon a time Tomlin did win with Ben. And he won by actually using Ben in an offense that was much more passing oriented than Cowher's (who was also a good coach).

I tend to believe that our biggest current problem is that we haven't drafted well. Tomlin wears significant responsibility for that. Maybe not as much as Colbert. More than Omar so far.

 

[JMM]

Tomlin who?

 

[DBS1970]

Yeah we know the system is broken. Been saying it for years.