steeltime, This bill has nothing to do with anyone retreating within their home. Texas has a much broader castle doctrine than any other state that includes places outside the home. I believe it also includes a persons workplace. This bill only applies to outside the home.
Bullshit. You really need to stop getting your information from **** sites like the Daily Kos and crap like that. Seriously. Here is the Texas "stand your ground" law:
Sec. 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force. The actor's belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
(C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery;
(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and
(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
(b) The use of force against another is not justified:
(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;
(2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows is being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under Subsection (c);
(3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or attempted by the other;
(4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless:
(A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and
(B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful force against the actor; or
(5) if the actor sought an explanation from or discussion with the other person concerning the actor's differences with the other person while the actor was:
(A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section 46.02; or
(B) possessing or transporting a weapon in violation of Section 46.05.
Texas' "castle doctrine" is as follows:
Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.
(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.
https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/stand-your-ground
Both laws model similar "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" laws in other states. You have conflated the reference to protection at work in the "stand your ground" law, where one can use deadly force to protect against kidnapping or physical harm at work, with the "castle doctrine." Try and get **** right.
The bill won't ever pass, but this lady pretty much was trying to prevent people from opening fire on people committing crimes outside the home when their is no physical threat to the homeowner.
Read the actual goddamn law, would you? The right to use force applies only "when
and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property." Therefore, if a homeowner sees a guy peeking in his daughter's window, even when his daughter is not home, he can use reasonable force to protect the property. Generally, that involves a determination as to who did what and when to decide the threat to the property and the degree of force reasonably necessary to answer the threat. Laws are almost always written that way since it is literally impossible to cover every conceivable confrontation (peeking in living room window, peeking in bathroom window, peeking in window at night, peeking in window during day, prying window, breaking window, and on and on and on and on) in the statute.
You are not just a wanna-be lawyer, 21, you are a horrible wanna-be lawyer who does not bother reading the statute, comparing it to other similar laws, and who then simply states something read on some ******* web site without bothering to learn that your claim is 100% false.
Finally, for the second time you say, "Oh, the bill won't pass" and obviously miss the point I made earlier. I had believed my point was patent as I wrote, "Every current stupid government edict started somewhere, usually the diseased brains of idiot leftists in academia who think they can vote on **** and make the world a better place. ... The really stupid idea is shot down, but never killed. It comes up again and again until finally by dint of mere repetition, enough morons believe it might be a good thing."
So the fact the stupid leftist idea is laughed at originally give me no comfort at all. Leftists are stupid, selfish, dumb, destructive, idiotic, and lazy, but they are persistent. All the stupid ideas we currently have polluting our society began with idiot leftists and were originally shot down, only to keep re-appearing. Seriously, thirty years ago would any American believe that we would allow men to "declare" themselves women and use the women's bathroom?
Get it? If not, talk about it with Flog and have Flog's 8-year old nephew explain it.