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Tomlin sucks thread 11/6/16
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Absolutely, Mitchell royally f'd that up. He sucks and frankly has no business starting for this team. And if you're talking about JUST THIS GAME, yeah, the defense played and was schemed better than usual. I'd love to see that continue, but we've been teased before. I'm afraid they'll go right back to the huge cushions. Look at the good defenses in the league today (Denver, Seattle, etc), they play TIGHT on their man and play the ball. Yes, every now and then they get beaten, it will happen to the best. But more often that not that allows them to make game changing plays. There's a reason we are near the bottom in the league in both INTs and Sacks - we play defense scared, and it's the design.
Steelers Use 3TE Sets With Success In Washington
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BY MATTHEW MARCZI SEPTEMBER 15, 2016 AT 10:00 AM
Considering the fact that they ran all but one play in the first quarter of their victory over Washington on Monday night out of their usual 11 personnel, the Pittsburgh Steelers actually ended up playing a respectable number of snaps out of multiple-tight-end sets before the night was through.
That, of course, does come with the obvious caveat that in the fourth quarter they spent much of their time hoping to run down the clock while nursing, at various times, a one-, two-, or three-possession lead. But add in the fact that much of that came not just from the 12, but also the 13 personnel grouping, and we get back to having an interesting discussion.
To provide some context, going back to last season—including the playoffs—the Steelers only ran about 90 snaps, excluding kneel downs, which I am also excluding in this opening game. But of the team’s 67 non-kneel-down snaps, 21 were run with multiple tight ends on the field, and of those 21, 10 included all three tight ends.
Starting tight end Jesse James saw every single one of the Steelers’ 68 snaps, while Xavier Grimble saw 16, and David Johnson 17, including the kneel down. They worked together on 11 of those snaps with the final play, and the remaining 11 represent the snaps in which either one served as the number two tight end to James.
Unsurprisingly, 15 of those 21 snaps were running plays, and on those 15 plays, the Steelers gained 87 yards, averaging 5.8 yards per play. Only five of these carries gained less than four yards, two of which came in short-yardage situations that were successfully converted.
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So the coaches don't have players ready to execute the game plan. According to you, that is part of a coaches responsibility, right? We can't run the defense we want to run because our rookies are not capable of executing it. How is that not the coaches responsibility?
Yes he did but that has nothing to do with you talking about the off coverage. If Burns is in off does that play still go for 95? There is a reason they play off
Are you kidding me? You do realize we can blitz with the linebackers right? We used to do it all the time under Cowher. That still leaves the safeties back to help out (in theory at least, since Mitchell is incapable). You don't HAVE to blitz with DBs in order to blitz. The QBs facing us consistently have all the time in the world, and they methodically move down the field and kill us.
In the 3/4 defense it is not the job of Heyward or Tuitt to rush the passer. The DL in the 3/4 is supposed to create gaps that the LB's can blitz and pressure the QB. Why we are running the 3/4 if we have no intention of blitzing is why we lose the TOP battle in almost every game.
Do coaches throw the whole game plan onto rookie QBs or do they bring them along slowly. Do they do the same for rookie or young WRs??? What's the difference in doing that for defensive players
And how has playing off consistently worked for our defense the past few years? I don't know if the play still goes for 95, and neither do you. I do like that Burns was aggressive, I want to see more of that. I think that play was actually schemed correctly, but Mitchell blew it. He needs to be replaced this offseason.
That's if you blitz your safeties, blitzing your Mike, Will, or Sam does not leave the corners without help. That's why the zone blitz was created.
Wrong we stop doing that under Butler..
Who said you do. SMH but when you do that you are putting pressure on young players to be where they are supposed to be. Zone blitz scheme is complicated which is why under Lebeau rookies took awhile to play..we bitched about that for years did we not
That article states pretty much spot on that they went to the 3TE set after building a good lead. Ben threw for 300 yards and had 3 passing TD all of which came out of our 3 and 4 WR sets. So playing a 3TE set when you are losing is now equal to a 3TE set when you are already ahead. Do you even watch the games or just scour the internet for articles and stats that you can attempt to skew to fit your position?
Never mind, this is pointless. Go ahead and keep being happy with subpar results. Most of the rest of us will be thankful when the day finally comes that we get somebody that knows what they're doing as a coach. Unfortunately, our HOF QB's career will probably be over then.
That's the problem! You don't run a 3/4 defense if you are not going to send pressure with your LB. It is asinine. But since coaches are responsible for the scheme why is this not on Tomlin or Butler?
So running when you have a lead and the other team knows you are running and you are successful doesn't mean anything? So by using that logic the no huddle in the 4th should mean Jack **** to you. Because obviously the Ravens weren't playing the same defense
Do you watch games cause of you did you would know the 3-4 isn't outer base defense and hasn't been for a couple of years now.
Find me one quote where I'm happy. My new girl doesn't understand why I'm so grumpy and I'm trying to explain in like this when we lose. So yeah tell her I'm happy
Stopped doing what under leabau
They played a lot of 3/4 yesterday. Much more then they have been playing. Mainly cause no one is afraid of the Ravens WRs.
running out of the 3 TE set is such garbage, not one of them can block, and if you have 5 OLinemen, 3TE's and 1 RB, and a QB, that leaves you one WR to split out. So that means pretty much Baltimore could really stack the LOS with as many guys as they wanted, and not one of our damn TE's are very good at blocking, is it really a surprise that that didn't work?
3 WR's spreads the defense out, gives the QB a better pre-snap read since Bmore can't crowd the LOS as easily. It's really not that complicated.
3 WR's spreads the defense out, gives the QB a better pre-snap read since Bmore can't crowd the LOS as easily. It's really not that complicated.
This is where I give credit to Tomlin, I think he may have finally realized that trying to stop the run with 2 DLinemen isn't going to work very often. you end up with 300lb Olinemen shoving your 240LB LB's all over the field.
I've only read about 3 pages of this thread. I agree with most of what I've read. Thing is, Tomlin is going nowhere. He won't be fired as long as Dan Rooney is alive.