Tomlin sucks thread 11/6/16

[antdrewjosh]

Yeah sport you sure no what the **** you are talking about. You invent **** to try to support your babble.


I asked you a simple question and you swam around it.

Typical keep spewing your bullshit.

Watch the video stupid. It's right there. Alex Koroza who breaks these plays down said the Steelers ran a fire zone blitz. What do we usually run behind that cover three..making Mitchell the deep safety. His job is to be deeper then everyone. If someone goes deep down either sidelines he has to get his over there and then provide help. The corners are one on one with the WRs in their area.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Mitchell was 5 yards from Burns when the ball is caught. Burns was no on an island. If Mitchell doesn't make the worst attempt at a tackle ever, Wallace is down with a 5 YAC. If Mitchell had blitzed, THEN Burns would be on an island against Wallace. If you have help over the top regardless of whether there is 1 or 2 safeties, you are not on an island.

Mitchell is reacting to the route and pass in front of him it's a quick throw he is coming but his first steps are back. Burns is playing Wallace one on one

 

[antdrewjosh]

Mitchell is reacting to the route and pass in front of him it's a quick throw he is coming but his first steps are back. Burns is playing Wallace one on one

The problem is burns dove and went for the pick leaving Mitchell who took a crap angle alone on Wallace.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Watch the video stupid. It's right there. Alex Koroza who breaks these plays down said the Steelers ran a fire zone blitz. What do we usually run behind that cover three..making Mitchell the deep safety. His job is to be deeper then everyone. If someone goes deep he down either sidelines he has to get his over there and then provide help. The corners are one on one with the WRs in their area.

We were NOT in cover 3. We were in man coverage with a single safety over the top.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Mitchell is reacting to the route and pass in front of him it's a quick throw he is coming but his first steps are back. Burns is playing Wallace one on one

For the 5th time...if there is a safety behind you than you are not on an island. No matter how you spin it Burns was not on an island alone with Wallace. If anything Mitchell was shading to help Burns as the wideout on the opposite side appeared to be running a sluggo route even deeper than Wallace was.

 

[antdrewjosh]

We were NOT in cover 3. We were in man coverage with a single safety over the top.

What is that called cover three man WTF???

Top draft picks allow biggest plays in Steelers' 21-14 loss to Ravens

DALE LOLLEY
Yesterday at 7:40 PM
The veterans also played big roles in ugly Steelers loss.

BALTIMORE - Pittsburgh Steelers rookie cornerback Artie Burns learned an important and costly lesson on Sunday.
Don’t leave your feet unless you’re sure you’re going to get your hands on the ball.

Burns was beaten for a 95-yard touchdown off a simple slant by speedster Mike Wallace because he left his feet in an attempt at his second interception in the Steelers' 21-14 loss.
“I tried to get the pick, but (Joe) Flacco made a good throw and he made the catch and was off,” said Burns. “I was pretty close, but not close enough.”
The touchdown was the only one scored on offense for the Ravens in the game. Baltimore’s next longest drive was 47 yards.
“It was missed opportunities. I can only speak for the defense, but there were some plays we could have got back,” said Steelers defensive end Cameron Heyward. “Obviously, the 95-yard throw killed us. Hopefully, we’ll learn from that. I thought our performance against the run was better. It can’t be something each week.”
Indeed it can’t. The Steelers defense did play better against the Ravens on Sunday than it had the previous two games when they allowed over 300 rushing yards in losses to Miami and New England. The Ravens managed just 50 yards on 29 carries. And Flacco’s other 17 completions went for 146 yards as the Ravens struggled to 13 first downs in the game.
But that one play ...
Burns wasn’t alone in blowing that one. Safety Mike Mitchell had a shot at Wallace after the catch but was stiff-armed off the tackle and then lost a foot race down the sideline.
“I have to tackle him,” said Mitchell.
Then again, perhaps asking a rookie to cover the speedy Wallace one-on-one might not always be such a good idea.
“Just press man-to-man,” said Wallace of the coverage. “It’s disrespectful. I’m a guy, who, I feel like if you press me, you’re going to lose 90 percent of the time, maybe 95.”
The Steelers played more press-man coverage in this game because they wanted to blitz Flacco more. That worked to a large extent, except for that one play.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1725161-rough-day-for-rookies

 

[antdrewjosh]

For the 5th time...if there is a safety behind you than you are not on an island. No matter how you spin it Burns was not on an island alone with Wallace. If anything Mitchell was shading to help Burns as the wideout on the opposite side appeared to be running a sluggo route even deeper than Wallace was.

No safeties back is cover 0 and again the pass came out fast on a slant so Mitchell wasn't nearly as deep if the ball didn't come out quick.

 

[Steeler Pride]

What is that called cover three man WTF???

Top draft picks allow biggest plays in Steelers' 21-14 loss to Ravens

DALE LOLLEY
Yesterday at 7:40 PM
The veterans also played big roles in ugly Steelers loss.

BALTIMORE - Pittsburgh Steelers rookie cornerback Artie Burns learned an important and costly lesson on Sunday.
Don’t leave your feet unless you’re sure you’re going to get your hands on the ball.

Burns was beaten for a 95-yard touchdown off a simple slant by speedster Mike Wallace because he left his feet in an attempt at his second interception in the Steelers' 21-14 loss.
“I tried to get the pick, but (Joe) Flacco made a good throw and he made the catch and was off,” said Burns. “I was pretty close, but not close enough.”
The touchdown was the only one scored on offense for the Ravens in the game. Baltimore’s next longest drive was 47 yards.
“It was missed opportunities. I can only speak for the defense, but there were some plays we could have got back,” said Steelers defensive end Cameron Heyward. “Obviously, the 95-yard throw killed us. Hopefully, we’ll learn from that. I thought our performance against the run was better. It can’t be something each week.”
Indeed it can’t. The Steelers defense did play better against the Ravens on Sunday than it had the previous two games when they allowed over 300 rushing yards in losses to Miami and New England. The Ravens managed just 50 yards on 29 carries. And Flacco’s other 17 completions went for 146 yards as the Ravens struggled to 13 first downs in the game.
But that one play ...
Burns wasn’t alone in blowing that one. Safety Mike Mitchell had a shot at Wallace after the catch but was stiff-armed off the tackle and then lost a foot race down the sideline.
“I have to tackle him,” said Mitchell.
Then again, perhaps asking a rookie to cover the speedy Wallace one-on-one might not always be such a good idea.
“Just press man-to-man,” said Wallace of the coverage. “It’s disrespectful. I’m a guy, who, I feel like if you press me, you’re going to lose 90 percent of the time, maybe 95.”
The Steelers played more press-man coverage in this game because they wanted to blitz Flacco more. That worked to a large extent, except for that one play.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1725161-rough-day-for-rookies

Cover 3 is a zone coverage, we were not in a cover 3, we were in a cover 1.

 

[slashsteel]

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Cover 3 is a zone coverage, we were not in a cover 3, we were in a cover 1.

solid post, kudos

 

[antdrewjosh]

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Cover 3 is a zone coverage, we were not in a cover 3, we were in a cover 1.

The Steelers majority play cover three behind their zone blitzes. The all 22 and breakdowns will come out. Regardless of what ever they were in Burns was one on one with Wallace

 

[slashsteel]

The Steelers majority play cover three behind their zone blitzes. The all 22 and breakdowns will come out. Regardless of what ever they were in Burns was one on one with Wallace

and regardless if you have a S behind him that is good enough to blitz if desired.

 

[antdrewjosh]

and regardless if you have a S behind him that is good enough to blitz if desired.

Huh?? They could blitz anytime they want what's your point? My point is that they haven't because they didn't want to expose themselves to exactly what happened

 

[Steeler Pride]

The Steelers majority play cover three behind their zone blitzes. The all 22 and breakdowns will come out. Regardless of what ever they were in Burns was one on one with Wallace

This is what the Steelers cover 3 looks like. Nothing even remotely close to what they played on the Wallace TD

 

[slashsteel]

Huh?? They could blitz anytime they want what's your point? My point is that they haven't because they didn't want to expose themselves to exactly what happened

my point is they should continue to apply pressure, however they can. If that is blitzing do it.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Huh?? They could blitz anytime they want what's your point? My point is that they haven't because they didn't want to expose themselves to exactly what happened

So the risk of giving up a TD is more important than the risk of getting pressure on the QB? What does it matter if we give up a TD in 8 seconds or we give up a TD after having a team dink/dunk us for 6 min. Until our OLB can find a way to get pressure on the QB, it doesn't matter how our DB's line up.

 

[antdrewjosh]

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This is what the Steelers cover 3 looks like. Nothing even remotely close to what they played on the Wallace TD

To truly determine what they were in you would have to present a formation resembling what the Ravens were in. the patriots have two WR to one side. Regardless cover one or three the safety responsibility is deep middle correct

 

[antdrewjosh]

 

[antdrewjosh]

So the risk of giving up a TD is more important than the risk of getting pressure on the QB? What does it matter if we give up a TD in 8 seconds or we give up a TD after having a team dink/dunk us for 6 min. Until our OLB can find a way to get pressure on the QB, it doesn't matter how our DB's line up.

This doesn't even make any sense

 

[Steeler Pride]

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Yep, watch the play, every DB and S is in man coverage with the exception of Mitchell who is in zone over the top staying on the right side of the field to shade Wallace. That is a cover 1 defense, not the Steelers cover 3.

 

[Steeler Pride]

This doesn't even make any sense

Let me simplify it for you.

1. According to You and apparently Butler, we are not blitzing because that is to hard for our rookies.
2. Since we cannot blitz, we give the QB 6 seconds to find an open receiver.
3. Since we usually have 1 or 2 safeties over the top, this usually results in a completed pass of 8-12 yards
4. Rinse and repeat 7-10 times and the other team scores a TD or a FG.

Option B.
1. You blitz your OLB or run an inside blitz with your Sam or Will.
2. You force the QB to get rid of the ball quickly.
3. You hopefully force a TO, bad throw, or he gets a short completion.
4. If the CB gets beat you should still have a safety there to help.
5. Worst case, it goes for a TD.

Either way the end result is typically the same. The difference is with option A, we get no turnovers, Strip Fumbles...etc. I would rather lose being aggressive than playing soft zone coverage.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Yep, watch the play, every DB and S is in man coverage with the exception of Mitchell who is in zone over the top staying on the right side of the field to shade Wallace. That is a cover 1 defense, not the Steelers cover 3.

That’s why the Seahawks can consistently limit offenses playing single-high safety defenses (Cover 1, Cover 3) with Earl Thomas in the deep middle of the field, and it’s the same reason the Saints paid Jairus Byrd $28 million guaranteed this offseason.

Having talent at the free safety position allows the corners and underneath defenders to play aggressively in their techniques with protection over the top.

And when you combine the ability of the deep middle of the field defender with solid technique/fundamentals underneath, there is nothing better than challenging receivers and locking down an offense in Cover 1.

https://www.google.com/amp/syndicat...of-cover-1.amp.html?client=ms-android-verizon

 

[antdrewjosh]

Let me simplify it for you.

1. According to You and apparently Butler, we are not blitzing because that is to hard for our rookies.
2. Since we cannot blitz, we give the QB 6 seconds to find an open receiver.
3. Since we usually have 1 or 2 safeties over the top, this usually results in a completed pass of 8-12 yards
4. Rinse and repeat 7-10 times and the other team scores a TD or a FG.

Option B.
1. You blitz your OLB or run an inside blitz with your Sam or Will.
2. You force the QB to get rid of the ball quickly.
3. You hopefully force a TO, bad throw, or he gets a short completion.
4. If the CB gets beat you should still have a safety there to help.
5. Worst case, it goes for a TD.

Either way the end result is typically the same. The difference is with option A, we get no turnovers, Strip Fumbles...etc. I would rather lose being aggressive than playing soft zone coverage.

SMH they were not blitzing and we're 4-1 and leading the league in red zone defense yes teams were driving but not scoring. They are now on a three game losing steak basically doing the same..while giving up rushing yds vs the dolphins there still not of lot pints scored. Same against the Patriots and ravens. The difference we aren't scoring like we were when we started 4-1

 

[Steeler Pride]

That’s why the Seahawks can consistently limit offenses playing single-high safety defenses (Cover 1, Cover 3) with Earl Thomas in the deep middle of the field, and it’s the same reason the Saints paid Jairus Byrd $28 million guaranteed this offseason.

Having talent at the free safety position allows the corners and underneath defenders to play aggressively in their techniques with protection over the top.

And when you combine the ability of the deep middle of the field defender with solid technique/fundamentals underneath, there is nothing better than challenging receivers and locking down an offense in Cover 1.

https://www.google.com/amp/syndicat...of-cover-1.amp.html?client=ms-android-verizon

Try to comprehend this, MITCHELL was the ONLY Steeler DB in Zone Coverage. It was a cover 1 defense.

Your own article shows that Burns was not on an island with Wallace. Wallace shaded from the snap over towards Burns.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Try to comprehend this, MITCHELL was the ONLY Steeler DB in Zone Coverage. It was a cover 1 defense.

Your own article shows that Burns was not on an island with Wallace. Wallace shaded from the snap over towards Burns.

SMH I'm not arguing whether it was or not anymore cause the tape will come out later this week. It doesn't matter anyway because the responsibilities for the free safety in both is deep middle

 

[Steeler Pride]

SMH they were not blitzing and we're 4-1 and leading the league in red zone defense yes teams were driving but not scoring. They are now on a three game losing steak basically doing the same..while giving up rushing yds vs the dolphins there still not of lot pints scored. Same against the Patriots and ravens. The difference we aren't scoring like we were when we started 4-1

SMH, we were statistically one of the worst defenses in the league even when we were 4-1. When you are giving away TOP by 10+ minutes your offense doesn't get on the field. That is the problem with the bend but don't break defense, your offense never gets a chance to get into a quick rhythm the same as a defensive 3 and out gives you. It's not rocket science. Who cares about the red zone when your defense is on the field for 38-40 minutes of a game. Eventually your defense gets beat down.