Turnover will happen soon in the Supreme Court.

[deljzc]

I agree with these points. Florida is a must have for the Rep's. If they win it, as I suspect they would with Bush or Rubio, they can focus on Ohio, VA, and CO.

I still say whomever wins two of these three states FL, OH, PA wins the election.

***One last prediction, the economic growth was just .7% last quarter, with record low Fed interest rates! Yikes. This suggests a sliding economy, which will play into the Republicans hands. By 2016 we could be in a Recession...again, and without BO's bail out stimulus money which in many cases cases poorly spent to be kind. I keep thinking the voters will get it, but their education level on ecconomics is rather low

Right now the polls say 43% Bush vs. 42% Hillary in Florida with 15% undecided. No other Republican candidate is close to Hillary head-to-head in Florida right now (i.e. Hillary is up 10+%). Obviously a lot can change in 18 months, but the Republicans better decide on a guy that can win Florida and not worry about all the other **** and just vote no matter where you live.

Bush by no means guarantees Florida for the Republicans. Hillary appeals to older voters, especially older Northeast voters from New York, New England and Pennsylvania that are living in Florida.

If Bush wins the nomination and decides on another candidate as a running mate, I'm not sure it's going to work. If he goes Tea Party again (like McCain did), then I think he's in trouble. He just loses too much in western states (NM, Arizona, Montana, Nevada, Colorado). They are way too progressive out there to fall for the religious right stuff.

The initial polls might have shown Palin helped McCain's ticket, but I think the more she spoke the more she got that group in trouble. And McCain came in way under what the polls said come election day. He was heading the wrong way come November and definitely finished weak down the stretch.

I hate the idea of Bush-Clinton. It's so boring and old, but that's probably the best shot both parties have right now.

Bush-Rubio vs. Clinton-Warner. And the fight becomes can the Republicans win Ohio AND a couple of western states like Colorado and Nevada. Those states need pretty different messages from the right-side of the isle to win.

 

[ark steel]

Winning doesn't mean ****. How the hell is Bush winning a win for conservatives? It just slows down the progressive agenda for a short time. I guess the Reps. could turn into socialist that way the dems don't have any issues to run on. Seriously how is that any worse? America is turning socialist every day. Might as well out flank the dems and just go hard core Bernie Sanders. Bush is just a slow walk to socialism while Clinton is a brisk walk.

With this Bush, I am not even sure it slows down the agenda

 

[deljzc]

Winning doesn't mean ****. How the hell is Bush winning a win for conservatives? It just slows down the progressive agenda for a short time. I guess the Reps. could turn into socialist that way the dems don't have any issues to run on. Seriously how is that any worse? America is turning socialist every day. Might as well out flank the dems and just go hard core Bernie Sanders. Bush is just a slow walk to socialism while Clinton is a brisk walk.

I don't know if socialist is the right term, but they are becoming more democrat. No doubt about it.

But I don't think democrats are as liberal as they once were either. Not JFK or Jimmy Carter liberal. It's all different now. The old "southern democrat" doesn't exist and the "big city, business oriented republican" isn't really around either.

Hard to believe in 1976, Texas voted democrat and California voted republican in a close presidential race. Now it seams almost inconceivable that California or Texas will ever not vote blue/red in an open election (no incumbent).

 

[SteelChip]

right now the polls say 43% bush vs. 42% hillary in florida with 15% undecided. No other republican candidate is close to hillary head-to-head in florida right now (i.e. Hillary is up 10+%). Obviously a lot can change in 18 months, but the republicans better decide on a guy that can win florida and not worry about all the other **** and just vote no matter where you live.

Those figures are very close to the registration numbers.

Registered Florida Voters
Rep ................Dem.............minor ..............none...............total
4,161,672......4,581,004 .....354,080 ..........2,860,835 ......11,957,591

Even if we pulled DBS and all the rest of the "minors" out and into the 'R' camp, we would still need a majority of the Non-Partisans to vote for a guy they didn't like in his first go round as Gov. This is not lookin' good at all. Anyway you look at it, Florida needs Rubio on the ticket to even think about winning the State.

I still believe we need a fiscal Conservative and an experienced leader to win in '16 or the Country will continue on this nose dive for many many years to come. What we now see in the big cities will be nation wide real quick.