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Warren named starter

Mic drop moment for the Warren supporters,
Time to eat some crow for the Harris truthers.
FACTS
Warren averaging 1.2 ypc more than Harris with same OC same QB and same crap O-line. Over the full 1.5 seasons.

Imagine Warren with a monster O-line and a top OC and QB. He could be a top 5 back in the NFL.

Tomlin is the only guy that would give Harris half the work with that large of a discrepancy in production, especially over that long a time period.
 
bigben said:
Tomlin is the only guy that would give Harris half the work with that large of a discrepancy in production, especially over that long a time period.
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He is giving Kenny the same 1st round pick patience that he has given to Najee.

Similar circumstances with these 2 young men.
 
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bigben said:
Mic drop moment for the Warren supporters,
Time to eat some crow for the Harris truthers.
FACTS
Warren averaging 1.2 ypc more than Harris with same OC same QB and same crap O-line. Over the full 1.5 seasons.

Imagine Warren with a monster O-line and a top OC and QB. He could be a top 5 back in the NFL.

Tomlin is the only guy that would give Harris half the work with that large of a discrepancy in production, especially over that long a time period.
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nothing mike drop about that

fact - the defense aligns differently when Najee is in and they know it is a run vs when Warren is on the field

fact - both RBs are very good and they both have a use in this offense

fact - warren did not start the game even though he was announced with the startes

fact - the bigger name RB was announced later as is standard practice
 
CoolieMan said:
nothing mike drop about that

fact - the defense aligns differently when Najee is in and they know it is a run vs when Warren is on the field

fact - both RBs are very good and they both have a use in this offense

fact - warren did not start the game even though he was announced with the startes

fact - the bigger name RB was announced later as is standard practice
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🎤 Drop now. 😁
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Yeah hard part isn't sending Warren and Harris out. It's Warren INSTEAD of Harris.
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Be interesting how they both run against a good D with Broderick now the man. They had two good running outings let's build a trend...
 
CoolieMan said:
nothing mike drop about that

fact - the defense aligns differently when Najee is in and they know it is a run vs when Warren is on the field

fact - both RBs are very good and they both have a use in this offense

fact - warren did not start the game even though he was announced with the startes

fact - the bigger name RB was announced later as is standard practice
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Fact Warren is 1.2 ypc more efficient, and consistently performing at a higher level in every aspect of the RB position. Obvious to anyone watching.

Different defensive alignment huh, kinda like najee's foot injury or the o-line the reason for the difference in production.

Numbers don't lie

Its ok to admit when you are wrong about a player.
 
bigben said:
Fact Warren is 1.2 ypc more efficient, and consistently performing at a higher level in every aspect of the RB position. Obvious to anyone watching.

Different defensive alignment huh, kinda like najee's foot injury or the o-line the reason for the difference in production.

Numbers don't lie

Its ok to admit when you are wrong about a player.
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numbers may not lie but they can mislead

i like both players and if Najee's 5th year option is not picked up it will not be a huge surprise

but trying to say that the defense is not set different for one vs the other is laughable

up until the last few games especially

they were used in different situations and the defensive alignments faced by each were different..

they are good complimentary players they both have skill sets that are valuable in an offensive attack
 
I feel the difference is Warren hits the hole faster. This has two effects. One he is less likely to lose 2 yards. If there is a crease he is getting more. I believe a former back said he really likes Najee but he is playing at too high a weight trying to be durable. I think that is accurate.
 
Here's how I view the two running backs.

Harris has been underwhelming given his draft status and is probably around the 20th best back in the league. However, while he won't be as productive, he can carry the ball 25-30 times if needed. Again, a clear starter, just a below average starter.

Warren is more dynamic and I think has better vision. He has good breakaway speed and generally looks better out there. I just don't think he's that every-down back who can carry the load. He is better in the current setup sharing the load with another running back. I've seen some compare him to Tony Pollard. Well, Pollard was much more productive with Zeke picking up those 3.8 YPC for half the time.

It took too long, but the coaching staff finally found the right balance in using each and seem to be finding ways to use Harris and Warren to their strengths.
 
It's unfortunate that money will end the teams relationship with Harris because now it's all just a going price thing and it will be same as Kenny.
Harris as a 6 million per year guy would be fine. But that only happens as a one year deal for someone else once they decline his fifth year option.
Likewise, the Steelers will either have to pay KP 35-40 million per year or bye bye. This slotted bullshit that makes a guy like Daniel Jones crazy money is stupid.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
It's unfortunate that money will end the teams relationship with Harris because now it's all just a going price thing and it will be same as Kenny.
Harris as a 6 million per year guy would be fine. But that only happens as a one year deal for someone else once they decline his fifth year option.
Likewise, the Steelers will either have to pay KP 35-40 million per year or bye bye. This slotted bullshit that makes a guy like Daniel Jones crazy money is stupid.
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Not necessarily.. the team has declined a fifth year option and then resigned edmunds at a lower price, right? That can happen.

Also, while Najee did make a pro bowl, he didn’t on an original ballot so his tender is only going to be 7 million… so they likely do that…


Pickett is a totally different story.., if he doesn’t have a significant step forward next season, then they will probably do a renegotiation contract that guarantees him some money but has a lot of incentives in it…
These contracts are getting more popular because it gives tge player some guaranteed money and the option to earn at or above the fifth year money, but also gives the team an out if they do want to part ways after year 4
 
bigben said:
Fact Warren is 1.2 ypc more efficient, and consistently performing at a higher level in every aspect of the RB position. Obvious to anyone watching.

Different defensive alignment huh, kinda like najee's foot injury or the o-line the reason for the difference in production.

Numbers don't lie

Its ok to admit when you are wrong about a player.
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If you think Jaylen doesn't see a different defensive front than Najee then your phucking blind. Go back and watch what happened to him when GB knew it was a run.

I'll wait...
 
CoolieMan said:
numbers may not lie but they can mislead

i like both players and if Najee's 5th year option is not picked up it will not be a huge surprise

but trying to say that the defense is not set different for one vs the other is laughable

up until the last few games especially

they were used in different situations and the defensive alignments faced by each were different..

they are good complimentary players they both have skill sets that are valuable in an offensive attack
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Fake news
Defensive alignment? They are playing against the same defenses, same coordinator and Warren is getting carries on every down 1st-3rd. If anything they are playing different because Warren is such a weapon in the pass game.

Warren has been getting nearly equal snaps to Harris on 1st-3rd down.

Past few games 4th quarter Warren has been moving the chains all the way down the field, until they put Harris in and the drive stalls. like clockwork

Out of RB's in the league with 70+ Carries

Warren #4 in the league YPC (1 of 5 RB over 5+ ypc)
Warren #1 in the league in forced missed tackles per attempt
Warren #5 in yards after contact per attempt.

Harris #22 in the league YPC
Harris#21 in the league in forced missed tackles per attempt
Harris #23 in yards after contact per attempt

But yeah chalk all that up to defensive alignment. (You can't truly believe that)
 
bermudasteel said:
If you think Jaylen doesn't see a different defensive front than Najee then your phucking blind. Go back and watch what happened to him when GB knew it was a run.

I'll wait...
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They guy arguing for Harris calls me blind? LOL
Anyone watching can see the clear talent gap you also see the gap in every measurable statistic.
If you can't see it you should turn the tv off, you obviously don't know what you are looking at.

Everyone else can see it. Its so obvious even 1st round pedigree and the privelage that comes with it has to be denied at this point. Even Tomlin had finally admitted the wrong guy has been starting. Harris isn't good enough to can't keep Warren off the field. Period

Defensive alignment is the reason the Steelers have shifted the bulk of the passing work and half the running to Warren and started announcing him the starter??
Defensive alignment is why Najee went from Bellcow, "He's our guy" from canada and coolshades in the preseason, to a 50-50 split with Warren the starter??
OK


You think the difference in production has nothing to do with a difference in talent?
 
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steel dino said:
He is giving Kenny the same 1st round pick patience that he has given to Najee.

Similar circumstances with these 2 young men.
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Both will prove to be 1st round mistakes, big mistakes.
 
bigben said:
Fake news
Defensive alignment? They are playing against the same defenses, same coordinator and Warren is getting carries on every down 1st-3rd. If anything they are playing different because Warren is such a weapon in the pass game.

Warren has been getting nearly equal snaps to Harris on 1st-3rd down.

Past few games 4th quarter Warren has been moving the chains all the way down the field, until they put Harris in and the drive stalls. like clockwork

Out of RB's in the league with 70+ Carries

Warren #4 in the league YPC (1 of 5 RB over 5+ ypc)
Warren #1 in the league in forced missed tackles per attempt
Warren #5 in yards after contact per attempt.

Harris #22 in the league YPC
Harris#21 in the league in forced missed tackles per attempt
Harris #23 in yards after contact per attempt

But yeah chalk all that up to defensive alignment. (You can't truly believe that)
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you are utterly clueless
 
bigben said:
They guy arguing for Harris calls me blind? LOL
Anyone watching can see the clear talent gap you also see the gap in every measurable statistic.
If you can't see it you should turn the tv off, you obviously don't know what you are looking at.

Everyone else can see it. Its so obvious even 1st round pedigree and the privelage that comes with it has to be denied at this point. Even Tomlin had finally admitted the wrong guy has been starting. Harris isn't good enough to can't keep Warren off the field. Period

Defensive alignment is the reason the Steelers have shifted the bulk of the passing work and half the running to Warren and started announcing him the starter??
Defensive alignment is why Najee went from Bellcow, "He's our guy" from canada and coolshades in the preseason, to a 50-50 split with Warren the starter??
OK


You think the difference in production has nothing to do with a difference in talent?
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I feel dumber now. Thanks.
 
insaniti said:
You're a disgrace to your screen name.
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Wanna bet they are both busts? Everyone outside and the majority of steeler fans realize they were mistakes. No way you can look at either guy without dissapointment creeping in.
 
insaniti said:
You're a disgrace to your screen name.
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Wanna bet they are both busts? Everyone outside and the majority of steeler fans realize they were mistakes. No way you can look at either guy without dissapointment creeping in.
 
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