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Watt denied sack after further review

They compare Watt to Garrett, Donald, etc. using the same parameters yet they play different positions. Watt doesn't rush the passer on every down. He covers guys downfield. He does a hell of a lot more than these other guys yet his major statistics (sacks, force fumbles, tackles for loss, etc.) have been as good as if not better than all of them.
 
TDX27 said:
They compare Watt to Garrett, Donald, etc. using the same parameters yet they play different positions. Watt doesn't rush the passer on every down. He covers guys downfield. He does a hell of a lot more than these other guys yet his major statistics (sacks, force fumbles, tackles for loss, etc.) have been as good as if not better than all of them.
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Last I checked he was better.! I'm at work but if someone could post those stats, especially this years and also realize TJ WATT has missed 2 full games and near another due to in game injuries.


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Drink IRON City said:
Last I checked he was better.! I'm at work but if someone could post those stats, especially this years and also realize TJ WATT has missed 2 full games and near another due to in game injuries.


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He's been the best in most of the categories for at least this year and last year. I can't recall the year before. He's had the most sacks for several years in a row and has the most sacks since he came into the league in 2017.
 
TDX27 said:
He's been the best in most of the categories for at least this year and last year. I can't recall the year before. He's had the most sacks for several years in a row and has the most sacks since he came into the league in 2017.
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I hear yaz and add in the pass defend catragory and he would lead that easily. I also think he leads tackles for loss as well. Strip sack or FF leader ?



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Drink IRON City said:
Derrick Thomas, formorly Chiefs player has the single game (in season not playoffs) and it is 7.

That takes both hands to count that far....................... just a helpful hint for those that need.


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I miss watching guys like Thomas play ............. a very tragic end to his life way too early
 
Watt - 22.5 sacks, 21 TFL (tied for first, Bosa), 48 solo, 64 total, 5 FF, 3 FR, 7 PD, 0 TD - 15 games (also missed most of the KC game, half of the Vikings game, and Raiders game)

Garrett - 16 sacks, 17 TFL, 33 solo, 51 total, 1 FF, 1 FR, 3 PD, 1 TD - 17 games

Donald - 12.5 sacks, 19 TFL, 38 solo, 84 total, 4 FF, 0 FR, 4 PD, 0 TD - 17 games

Parsons - 13 sacks, 20 TFL, 64 solo, 84 total, 3 FF, 0 FR, 3PD, 0 TD - 16 games
 
Paul G said:
I miss watching guys like Thomas play ............. a very tragic end to his life way too early
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That general ERA of football was probably the best football had to offer.!! He was one of my FAVORITE non-steelers player.

His person / demeanor was electric



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insaniti said:
Watt - 22.5 sacks, 21 TFL (tied for first, Bosa), 48 solo, 64 total, 5 FF, 3 FR, 7 PD, 0 TD - 15 games (also missed most of the KC game, half of the Vikings game, and Raiders game)

Garrett - 16 sacks, 17 TFL, 33 solo, 51 total, 1 FF, 1 FR, 3 PD, 1 TD - 17 games

Donald - 12.5 sacks, 19 TFL, 38 solo, 84 total, 4 FF, 0 FR, 4 PD, 0 TD - 17 games

Parsons - 13 sacks, 20 TFL, 64 solo, 84 total, 3 FF, 0 FR, 3PD, 0 TD - 16 games
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Undisputed DPOY


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PS

Thanks for posting these insaniti glad to see them comparisons in writing


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Drink IRON City said:
PS

Thanks for posting these insaniti glad to see them comparisons in writing


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gotta do something while I'm home with the rona, my lady just tested positive last night as well.
 
insaniti said:
gotta do something while I'm home with the rona, my lady just tested positive last night as well.
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Speedy recovery for you both, blessings your way !!


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Wait...was there a slide rule at the time of Strahan's record. Favre gave himself up, right?
 
I 100% guarantee that had we missed tge playoffs, people would be saying that Watt shouldn’t win anything since he wasn’t on a playoff team

Those same people will probably vote for Garrett….
 
Turd Ferguson said:
And yet they give Strahan his last sack against Favre who basically went fetal to gift him his last to set the record. If the NFL had balls they would pull that sack on principle.
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Maybe it had to with Affirmative Action. That was 20 yrs ago.
 
Badcat said:
So, Favre slid and was down by rule but they gave the sack to him anyways. gotcha.
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I don't think the slide rule has anything to do with it. Sliding doesn't prevent it being called a sack. This is more like the NFL using the most ridiculous and obscure rules (like the Jessy James TD) to screw the Steelers and then after it looks so stupid they will change it.
 
Badcat said:
So, Favre slid and was down by rule but they gave the sack to him anyways. gotcha.
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I think the Favre situation was a busted play.... looked like he wanted to hand off at first .... running back not there...... started to bootleg right an saw Strahan. He slid but he was not going forward , I think he was just protecting himself ...

I don't like it anymore than the rest of you ..... but it is not changing anytime soon


The Watt non sack has multiple situations that can explain why it was called the way it was by rules ........ I still think they got it wrong and won't change it because they are who we thought they were ......... bull shitters..

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Statistical record rules[edit]​


Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers being sacked by Seattle defensive end Patrick Kerney in 2009.
To be considered a sack, the quarterback must intend to throw a forward pass. If the play is designed for the quarterback to rush (run) the ball, any loss is subtracted from the quarterback's rushing total (and the play is ruled a tackle for loss as opposed to a sack). If the quarterback's intent is not obvious, statisticians use certain criteria, such as the offensive line blocking scheme, to decide. Unique situations where a loss reduces a quarterback's rushing total (not a sack) are "kneel downs" (used to run time off the game clock).

A player will receive credit for half of a sack when multiple players contribute to the sacking of a quarterback, even if more than two players contributed.

In the National Football League (NFL), it is possible to record a sack for zero yards. The NFL subtract yards lost due to sacks from teams' passing totals (though the quarterback's individual passing total stats remain unchanged),[3] while the NCAA subtracts sack yardage from individual rushing totals.[4]


Personally I am far more upset about the Cam Heyward call and the .5 sack TJ was denied on that play ....... QB was a runner and Cam did not hit him in the head anyway
 
**** the nfl's bullshit. He will break 22.5 next year
 
Paul G said:
I think the Favre situation was a busted play.... looked like he wanted to hand off at first .... running back not there...... started to bootleg right an saw Strahan. He slid but he was not going forward , I think he was just protecting himself ...

I don't like it anymore than the rest of you ..... but it is not changing anytime soon


The Watt non sack has multiple situations that can explain why it was called the way it was by rules ........ I still think they got it wrong and won't change it because they are who we thought they were ......... bull shitters..

more stuff to confuse the issue

Statistical record rules[edit]​


Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers being sacked by Seattle defensive end Patrick Kerney in 2009.
To be considered a sack, the quarterback must intend to throw a forward pass. If the play is designed for the quarterback to rush (run) the ball, any loss is subtracted from the quarterback's rushing total (and the play is ruled a tackle for loss as opposed to a sack). If the quarterback's intent is not obvious, statisticians use certain criteria, such as the offensive line blocking scheme, to decide. Unique situations where a loss reduces a quarterback's rushing total (not a sack) are "kneel downs" (used to run time off the game clock).

A player will receive credit for half of a sack when multiple players contribute to the sacking of a quarterback, even if more than two players contributed.

In the National Football League (NFL), it is possible to record a sack for zero yards. The NFL subtract yards lost due to sacks from teams' passing totals (though the quarterback's individual passing total stats remain unchanged),[3] while the NCAA subtracts sack yardage from individual rushing totals.[4]


Personally I am far more upset about the Cam Heyward call and the .5 sack TJ was denied on that play ....... QB was a runner and Cam did not hit him in the head anyway
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I see the TE putting the effort on a block that I could defeat.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I see the TE putting the effort on a block that I could defeat.
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two hand touch football.......lol

that is another thing that makes me think it was a running play gone bad and Favre just turned out wide right ........ who knows

Favre used to be pretty good at play fakes .... this one .......nahhhhh
 
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Paul G said:
two hand touch football.......lol

that is another thing that makes me think it was a running play gone bad and Favre just turned out wide right ........ who knows

Favre used to be pretty good at play fakes .... this one .......nahhhhh
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Possibly a counter boot throw to the other side. You shouldn't have to do much on the end on that side. Then they mixed up which way the play was supposed to go?
 
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