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What I Watched go Down at Disney

Tim Steelersfan

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This past week, my youngest son had a once in a lifetime opportunity to play in a youth sports National Championship - the AYF (American Youth Football) Nationals in Orlando. The same week, Pop Warner was also holding their Nationals. It was a long, fun, hard, interesting, weird, trying, rewarding week. There were many thousands of people there for these events.

I saw some things first hand that just made me pause, that I thought I'd share.

First, let me preface this with some background. Our team (10, 11, 12 yr olds on our team) and league caters to some VERY underprivileged kids. I mean, kids who's moms just got out of prison, kids who are being shipped off to Canada to be put into foster care because mom/dad don't give a **** about them, kids that are shared among aunts and uncles day after day because no one cares about them. And yes, the team is mostly black, with 4 or 5 white kids, and a couple hispanics. I've been coaching with this group of kids last fall, this spring, and this fall (I was with other leagues prior). The current group has been playing football this year from April to December, with only a 3 week break in June. I know them all well.

Some of the aforementioned kids have spent weekends in my home, sleeping in our beds, playing with my kids. And I'm astonished they are treated how they are, as they are special, loving, great kids that just need a little guiding light. My wife and I have discussed adopting one. Of the kids on our team, some had never been out of Maryland, let alone to Florida, or hell - to Disney. It was a trip of a lifetime for them, even if we were holed up in some bad $60/night motels. For them? It was like we were staying in the Ritz. Anyway...

Each year, one night, the AYF gets Universal or Adventure Island reserved for only AYF coaches, players, and families. It's pretty cool having the park closed to everyone but us. And for the kids - OMG so awesome for them. Thursday was that night. We rode the Hulk, went to Harry Potter World, rode the rides, bought the kids souvenirs, food, and just had a good time. The smiles were contagious. It FELT rewarding, like "I'm doing something that makes a difference here."

Then it's time to leave. Everyone is rolling out at about 11PM to 11:15PM. If you've been to Universal, you know you have to go through Universal Walk then cross the bridge to get the parking garages. As we get to the other side of the bridge to the entrance to the parking garages (remember our whole team of kids, coaches and chaperones is together), things are getting loud...an argument...I look to the right and there's a black guy with his finger in the face of a security person, screaming something or other about what he hadn't done, etc. They are chest to chest. A friend of his is trying to pull him away. Then I start to see the big picture. Two other black kids (16, 17, 18?) are being held back by another security person. "They are about to fight or just did" I'm thinking. The police work to separate the groups and send them on their separate ways. Despite security being there, these punks won't quit. They have to be pushed, shoved and pulled away, fingers pointing, shouting, threatening. As this is winding down (or so we thought), we talk with our team about departure, who's on what van, and the next day plan. We disperse and break up our group to go to the separate vehicles.

My group, a small one, apparently ended up following these two groups that had been previously separated. The parking garage is vastly empty. 60 yards ahead, I see the two in red sprinting across the garage, going after another black guy (maybe the first guy I saw with security? not sure). To my right, security has run up again to another black guy who's saying something about "I ain't got no mace man...I didn't spray mace on those kids!" I'm like "WTF?" In seconds, crowds start swarming towards the two kids wearing red, sprinting across the garage to join in the about-to-occur melee. Security is sprinting in from every angle, now including police on bicycles. Soon, two large groups form, one of about 45 people, another of about 25 - one to my left, one to my right. Like a fire spreads quickly, this escalated so fast it was scary...people were RUSHING to be a part of this drama and potential violence. There's now probably 25 security personnel and police too.

We get into our van (mine a mini-van), and start to back out. I have another team mom and her son following us in a car. We back out of our spots, and the "EXIT" path rolls right through the larger group of brawlers. So we sit...waiting to be able to pass. We sat for 4 or 5 minutes. As we did, we had streams of people rushing by our van, some hitting it, to get to the brawl - to participate or defend their "buds." I see an officer to the right cuff a guy, and put him on the ground, billy club in hand. When that guy's "compadres" saw this, 20 of them (no ****) go sprinting at this cop screaming and yelling **** like "what the **** are you doing? Let him go!!" One cop, 20 people streaming at him, billy club in hand. First hand, I see the threat this guy had to deal with. He wasn't equipped to defend himself. Thank God he drew no weapon. To our left, there are 2 more people being cuffed, one already sitting on his ***, hands cuffed behind his back. There's probably 75 people or more now involved in this melee.

Soon after, the cars in front of us release, and we too leave. As we are leaving, several cop cars are screaming into the parking garage.

None of this was eye opening for me - I've been around people of all races throughout much of my life. But it hit me this time. We are at Universal, at Disney, and I just witnessed a brawl, arrests, and potential serious violence. At Walt ******* Disney world...and they couldn't control themselves? Have a good time? There wasn't a white face in that crowd, nor a hispanic face. The ease with which these people let themselves become prone to violence was evident, as if they were waiting for it, missed it, longed for it. It was just strange how it unfolded.

The next day, we are back at our hotel. We had brought a basketball, and had 15 kids on the court. My oldest was with us on the trip as well. My sons, white, were the two best players on the court. They play a lot of basketball. Most of the kids are good though as well. But again, I saw somethings that just made me think "this is IN them" almost like they can't help it. We're playing ball, and these sweet kids (literally, great kids) when frustrated, when they got their ankles broken, when they got bumped - they mentally and emotionally crossed a line. I'm the ref, and quickly had to separate a black kid who shoved another white kid. "WTH are you two doing? We're teammates." On one play, two black kids on our team are going after a ball going out of bounds. The kid closest to the ball, as he's going out of bounds, leaps, gets the ball and attempts to throw the ball back in bounds. The ball hits the other kid in the head. It hurt, I could see it. But he couldn't rationalize that it was just a sports play. He was angry. He wanted to hurt the other kid. THREE full minutes later, that other kid got the ball, and the one that got hurt just shoved him as hard as he could and I watched the kid go tumbling on the asphalt. Then my son, schooled a kid, made a move, blew buy him for a layup. It was wide open, but the black kid (let me repeat, this sweet kid...amazing kid, who'd helped my son with math, who's so freaking polite it's scary...just flat out shoves my son in the back as he's going for the layup and my son goes head over heels on the asphalt. Another WTF moment. Basektball was over for the night.

Final night there, friday, we the coaches were talking inside the one guy's villa, about departure details. Pounding and screaming at the door. I go running out. You guessed it. Black kid on our team gets into fight with hispanic kid, body slams him.

This is just stream of thought, but what really set in for me, on this particular trip was how deep and pervasive violence is to so many of these black kids. It's almost so deep, it's like instinct. It happens before they think. It's scary. I'm so sad for my kids that they had to see this, but also so glad they did. There are so many vast differences in our cultures at times it's mind boggling.
 
Well of course many people will call you a racist for relaying this story, but I know what you mean. We took my kids into downtown Philly for 4th of July a couple of years back...hordes of black kids running wild. Grabbing stuff from vendors as they ran by. Every other word was n-word this or m-effer that...no courtesy towards others at all, pushing and shoving people out of their way on the sidewalk...boys with pants below their *****, girls dressed in three sizes too small spandex pants and bra tops.

At one point my 12 year old daughter was standing up on a bench to see a street performer over a crowd of adults...this big black kid comes over, lifts his big fat girlfriend up and uses her body to literally shove my 80 pound kid off the bench so his girlfriend could stand there. Of course there was absolutely nothing we could say or do about it, being surrounded by hordes of other black teens.

Our evening ended waiting for a train...the platform became very crowded and some kids almost crushed my children (and some other, smaller children) trying to stampede their way onto the train...I will admit these were a mix of people pushing and shoving but the black people were the loudest, the most aggressive and the least concerned with how they were affecting anyone else, including little kids.

Rather than making me angry it made me very sad. These kids are not raised right, they are not taught any sort of civilization or social skills, they don't know enough to even attempt the most basic niceties like saying "Excuse me" when they shove past someone on the sidewalk. You could feel their contempt for everyone else around them, it radiated from them.

How can we expect them to succeed at anything in life? All I could think about was how many of these teens have really nothing good to look forward to in life. Heartbreaking.
 
Both of you are obviously racist.
 
Don't worry, Al Sharpton will be on the next flight down to Orlando to settle this matter,
 
If you are raised to have hate in your heart, you will grow up a hateful person more than likely. If you are raised to believe that no other human being's needs are as important as yours, you will grow up a selfish, rude person. If nobody raises you, chances are you will fall in with those types of people and take on their traits.
 
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All of it is very sad. I relayed the story about the fights at my daughters school a few weeks ago. I am about to just move back to West Virginia because honestly the black population just scares the hell out of me. It isn't fair to anyone, the kids that grow up with no positive role models have no chance unless they wake up one day and decide not to "act" like all of the people around them. That is a tough position to be in. It isn't fair to the hard working middle class black, white, whatever kids and families that cannot afford to move out to the ultra wealthy suburbs.

It sucks that I have to keep a loaded gun by my side when I am working on my car in my own driveway. But the renters next door scare the crap out of me. It sucks that when I moved here from WV I honestly never held any prejudice at all. That all changed quickly because of what I saw first hand day after day after day. I felt guilty at first, but then I realized it was natural.

We all act like there is nothing wrong with race relations, but there is plenty wrong. I obviously cannot speak for black folks, but I can imagine their frustration knowing that probably just a few thugs are screwing it up for the rest of them. I can speak for white folks in my area, we are all scared of black people. The crime is getting worse, our kids are subjected to "black culture" every day and they sure as hell are taking notice. I don't know what the answer is, but I can assure you that in this area race relations are getting worse, I wish that was not the case.

I'm mad that Tim's kids had to witness a bunch of idiots doing something that makes zero sense from my point of view. I'm even more pissed that the young black kids had to witness that, because you know in the back of their minds they know it is wrong. But the more that they see it the more likely they will be to do something equally as stupid in the future.
 
I grew up in Homestead. At that time, it was about 60-40 black to white population. I never saw color....I didn't care. I would play with whoever, and we all got along. My parents never saw color either...

FFWD to when we moved to GA. I lived in a town that was 99% white. Again...I didn't think twice about it. My dad was working at the ATL airport for a company based there. He had to let someone go...a black guy. That guy started harassing us...calling us...threatening to kill my dad and all of us because my dad "was racist and fired him." Never mind that the guy was lazy, never showed up to work...etc. This guy tried to file lawsuits against my dad....wanting all of our money and for my dad to never work again. It really changed my family. We had never seen that kind of behavior before....it was strange to us.
Then when I was in HS (still in GA), I was in the color guard. We would travel with the band. One of the games we went to was in SW Atlanta- which was 100% black. Again, our HS and band were white. We had to have a police escort out of the stadium because that HS threatened us because we were white. We never played that team again. The next year, we moved up a classification, so we played different schools. Went to a school not too far away from my town- the town was majority white, but this HS was not. As 2 of my friends and I were walking to the restroom, a group of black boys came up to us and said "Look at them white girls". We didn't say anything...just kept walking. They got mad and started running after us, wanting to start a fight. We found our band director and "hid" behind him. The kids were kicked out, and our HS had to have a police escort out of the game, yet again.
I just don't get it. I don't understand what triggers that.
 
Unfortunately the solution to this problem will never happen. Some people should not be allowed to have children let alone many of them.
 
To be fair.........

I used to referee basketball in the Wash DC area, primarily Prince Georges County. I would say that more often than not, I was in the minority in the gymnasiums that I worked. And I was a referee, which means I wasn't the most popular guy in the gym to begin with. I can say that I NEVER had a problem of the kind described above. As a matter of fact, I think folks went out of their way to make me feel welcome, and appreciated. Now granted, that was back in the 80's, and times probably have changed.

I firmly believe that our welfare/entitlement systems have directly contributed to the breakdown of the family unit, and the African American community has seen it's share. We also have a society that no longer takes responsibility for behavior......and it starts with our high ranking Gov't officials and filters down.Unfortunately, I don't see anything changing any time soon.
 
You can't hold blacks to the same standard of behavior as whites. That's racist and you're not allowing them to keep it real. /sarcasm

I don't want to sound like I'm piling on, but....
Couple years ago I step out of a store on the main street of Beaver Falls. Most of the doorways are recessed so I bump into a young black guy simply because I couldn't see him coming. "Excuse me dude, sorry, I didn't see you". He starts ************* me up and down. The problems with that are 1) I don't know anything about backing down and 2) my town is 50/50 so I don't get intimidated by blacks the way they expect from most white people. It's also helpful that I'm tall and built like a light bulb. "I SAID I'm sorry, I didn't see you coming.". He continues ************* me. Now I'm pissed because an apology apparently isn't good enough and he just sees a green light to lay into whitey. I narrow my gaze and look right into his eyes and said "I said I was sorry. That will have TO DO", sort of implying that you need to try to kick my *** if you're going to keep this up. He thought better of it and walked away grumbling under his breath.

Racism wasn't taught in my parents' house when I was growing up, nor was it taught to my children in my house. Apparently it is being taught in their houses.
 
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To be fair.........

I used to referee basketball in the Wash DC area, primarily Prince Georges County. I would say that more often than not, I was in the minority in the gymnasiums that I worked. And I was a referee, which means I wasn't the most popular guy in the gym to begin with. I can say that I NEVER had a problem of the kind described above. As a matter of fact, I think folks went out of their way to make me feel welcome, and appreciated. Now granted, that was back in the 80's, and times probably have changed.

I firmly believe that our welfare/entitlement systems have directly contributed to the breakdown of the family unit, and the African American community has seen it's share. We also have a society that no longer takes responsibility for behavior......and it starts with our high ranking Gov't officials and filters down.Unfortunately, I don't see anything changing any time soon.

Hamster, my kids play basketball in PG county and have for a couple of years. I've had the same experience you did.

My post isn't intended to intimate that this happens ALL of the time. But in one week...hell, actually in 2.5 final days of the trip...I saw "short fuse" violence erupt several times. Analogy: It was like walking through a neighborhood, and seeing not one house erupt in flames, but 5 or 6 for no apparent reason. You'd say "no way possible." Yet I saw it - a massive near 100 person brawl at the Happiest Place on Earth - Disney, followed by 3 incidents of violence on a basketball court, followed by another random act of violence.

Like others, I was raised to see no color. Those of you who know me on Facebook see pictures of me with kids of all colors. I LOVE kids. But for the first time I saw something I hadn't seen before...an "affinity for violence" almost as if it were an innate desire to seek it out. These weren't strangers at a one or two hour basketball game. Save for the massive brawl I witnessed at Disney, these other incidents were kids I've known at LEAST 2 years, kids who I thought I had figured out, kids who when I spent a full week with them and true behaviors began to show through, shocked me. I don't have a different view of any one of them after the trip. Each I still love. But I believe now, like an alcoholic will always crave a drink, like a smoker can't resist the smell of smoke, I saw something erupt beyond these kids' consciousness in a similar way. They weren't thinking about what they were doing. It was like instinct taking over. Scary.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
It's also helpful that I'm tall and built like a light bulb. "


How do you find jeans to fit your butt?
 
It's also helpful that I'm tall and built like a light bulb.

You, sir, are an oddly built human.

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Hamster, my kids play basketball in PG county and have for a couple of years. I've had the same experience you did.
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Tim, I'm glad to hear it's still like that. I think I've been in every gym in that county, at least once. For years after that, I couldn't turn on any ACC game and not see a kid that I reffed somewhere along the way. I've reffed games with Terry McCauley(the NFL ref). He's a good ref, and a good guy.I miss those times.
 
Tim, I'm glad to hear it's still like that. I think I've been in every gym in that county, at least once. For years after that, I couldn't turn on any ACC game and not see a kid that I reffed somewhere along the way. I've reffed games with Terry McCauley(the NFL ref). He's a good ref, and a good guy.I miss those times.

That's awesome! It's really kind of cool to be in an area like this that so many talented kids come from. My kids are still young, so we're waiting to see who they've been playing with will be playing in college. My oldest plays football for a storied HS program here in MD. They typically put 4-7 kids or so per year into some pretty major college programs. This year, for the first time, 2 of our graduates made NFL rosters (a 3rd nearly made the *Patriots). One is a starter. One kid, soon to graduate, is the #1 recruit in MD and like 92 on ESPN's list.

My youngest has played Steve Blake one on one at his camp before. In his league, the following guys are or have been coaches: Gheorghe Mureșan, Eddie Jordan, and White Chocolate (http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/38979-randy-gill-aka-white-chocolate). The first two have sons who play in the league. The last is an ***, but fun to watch being an *** LOL. Some of the refs are famous. Adrian Dantley is a ref in the area.
 
That's awesome! It's really kind of cool to be in an area like this that so many talented kids come from. My kids are still young, so we're waiting to see who they've been playing with will be playing in college. My oldest plays football for a storied HS program here in MD. They typically put 4-7 kids or so per year into some pretty major college programs. This year, for the first time, 2 of our graduates made NFL rosters (a 3rd nearly made the *Patriots). One is a starter. One kid, soon to graduate, is the #1 recruit in MD and like 92 on ESPN's list.

My youngest has played Steve Blake one on one at his camp before. In his league, the following guys are or have been coaches: Gheorghe Mureșan, Eddie Jordan, and White Chocolate (http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/38979-randy-gill-aka-white-chocolate). The first two have sons who play in the league. The last is an ***, but fun to watch being an *** LOL. Some of the refs are famous. Adrian Dantley is a ref in the area.

Good times!
 
They weren't thinking about what they were doing. It was like instinct taking over. Scary.

It isn't Instinct, it is a lack of respect for themselves and others, as well as total lack of personal responsibility. These traits have to be taught, as well as seen every day from an authority figure. My niece's & nephew's do not act like that EVER, my aunts & uncle will not stand for it. Some of the white trash on my wifes side of the family is just as bad, if not worse.
 
Just to clarify... if you were at Universal, then you weren't at Disney. Those are two entirely different companies and theme parks.

I haven't been to Universal in a long time so I can't speak of the conditions there.
 
It isn't Instinct, it is a lack of respect for themselves and others, as well as total lack of personal responsibility. These traits have to be taught, as well as seen every day from an authority figure. My niece's & nephew's do not act like that EVER, my aunts & uncle will not stand for it. Some of the white trash on my wifes side of the family is just as bad, if not worse.

Not disagreeing with you at all. I was saying it was "like" instinct, not that it was. Just the way they so quickly reacted this way.
 
Just to clarify... if you were at Universal, then you weren't at Disney. Those are two entirely different companies and theme parks.

I haven't been to Universal in a long time so I can't speak of the conditions there.

You're correct. I'm generalizing - Disney/Orlando/Universal. Should have been more specific.

The conditions at Universal are great. The last place you'd expect to see things like this.
 
These kids that you all have witnessed have no father in their life, and if they do, he is just as ****** up as they are. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. The people you describe sound like hood people. I am black and so fortunate to be able to control my environment. The people in my neighborhood are good people of all colors. Trust me, there are tons of black people that share your disdain for the type of behavior mentioned.
 
This past week, my youngest son had a once in a lifetime opportunity to play in a youth sports National Championship - the AYF (American Youth Football) Nationals in Orlando. The same week, Pop Warner was also holding their Nationals. It was a long, fun, hard, interesting, weird, trying, rewarding week. There were many thousands of people there for these events.

I saw some things first hand that just made me pause, that I thought I'd share.

First, let me preface this with some background. Our team (10, 11, 12 yr olds on our team) and league caters to some VERY underprivileged kids. I mean, kids who's moms just got out of prison, kids who are being shipped off to Canada to be put into foster care because mom/dad don't give a **** about them, kids that are shared among aunts and uncles day after day because no one cares about them. And yes, the team is mostly black, with 4 or 5 white kids, and a couple hispanics. I've been coaching with this group of kids last fall, this spring, and this fall (I was with other leagues prior). The current group has been playing football this year from April to December, with only a 3 week break in June. I know them all well.

Some of the aforementioned kids have spent weekends in my home, sleeping in our beds, playing with my kids. And I'm astonished they are treated how they are, as they are special, loving, great kids that just need a little guiding light. My wife and I have discussed adopting one. Of the kids on our team, some had never been out of Maryland, let alone to Florida, or hell - to Disney. It was a trip of a lifetime for them, even if we were holed up in some bad $60/night motels. For them? It was like we were staying in the Ritz. Anyway...

Each year, one night, the AYF gets Universal or Adventure Island reserved for only AYF coaches, players, and families. It's pretty cool having the park closed to everyone but us. And for the kids - OMG so awesome for them. Thursday was that night. We rode the Hulk, went to Harry Potter World, rode the rides, bought the kids souvenirs, food, and just had a good time. The smiles were contagious. It FELT rewarding, like "I'm doing something that makes a difference here."

Then it's time to leave. Everyone is rolling out at about 11PM to 11:15PM. If you've been to Universal, you know you have to go through Universal Walk then cross the bridge to get the parking garages. As we get to the other side of the bridge to the entrance to the parking garages (remember our whole team of kids, coaches and chaperones is together), things are getting loud...an argument...I look to the right and there's a black guy with his finger in the face of a security person, screaming something or other about what he hadn't done, etc. They are chest to chest. A friend of his is trying to pull him away. Then I start to see the big picture. Two other black kids (16, 17, 18?) are being held back by another security person. "They are about to fight or just did" I'm thinking. The police work to separate the groups and send them on their separate ways. Despite security being there, these punks won't quit. They have to be pushed, shoved and pulled away, fingers pointing, shouting, threatening. As this is winding down (or so we thought), we talk with our team about departure, who's on what van, and the next day plan. We disperse and break up our group to go to the separate vehicles.

My group, a small one, apparently ended up following these two groups that had been previously separated. The parking garage is vastly empty. 60 yards ahead, I see the two in red sprinting across the garage, going after another black guy (maybe the first guy I saw with security? not sure). To my right, security has run up again to another black guy who's saying something about "I ain't got no mace man...I didn't spray mace on those kids!" I'm like "WTF?" In seconds, crowds start swarming towards the two kids wearing red, sprinting across the garage to join in the about-to-occur melee. Security is sprinting in from every angle, now including police on bicycles. Soon, two large groups form, one of about 45 people, another of about 25 - one to my left, one to my right. Like a fire spreads quickly, this escalated so fast it was scary...people were RUSHING to be a part of this drama and potential violence. There's now probably 25 security personnel and police too.

We get into our van (mine a mini-van), and start to back out. I have another team mom and her son following us in a car. We back out of our spots, and the "EXIT" path rolls right through the larger group of brawlers. So we sit...waiting to be able to pass. We sat for 4 or 5 minutes. As we did, we had streams of people rushing by our van, some hitting it, to get to the brawl - to participate or defend their "buds." I see an officer to the right cuff a guy, and put him on the ground, billy club in hand. When that guy's "compadres" saw this, 20 of them (no ****) go sprinting at this cop screaming and yelling **** like "what the **** are you doing? Let him go!!" One cop, 20 people streaming at him, billy club in hand. First hand, I see the threat this guy had to deal with. He wasn't equipped to defend himself. Thank God he drew no weapon. To our left, there are 2 more people being cuffed, one already sitting on his ***, hands cuffed behind his back. There's probably 75 people or more now involved in this melee.

Soon after, the cars in front of us release, and we too leave. As we are leaving, several cop cars are screaming into the parking garage.

None of this was eye opening for me - I've been around people of all races throughout much of my life. But it hit me this time. We are at Universal, at Disney, and I just witnessed a brawl, arrests, and potential serious violence. At Walt ******* Disney world...and they couldn't control themselves? Have a good time? There wasn't a white face in that crowd, nor a hispanic face. The ease with which these people let themselves become prone to violence was evident, as if they were waiting for it, missed it, longed for it. It was just strange how it unfolded.

The next day, we are back at our hotel. We had brought a basketball, and had 15 kids on the court. My oldest was with us on the trip as well. My sons, white, were the two best players on the court. They play a lot of basketball. Most of the kids are good though as well. But again, I saw somethings that just made me think "this is IN them" almost like they can't help it. We're playing ball, and these sweet kids (literally, great kids) when frustrated, when they got their ankles broken, when they got bumped - they mentally and emotionally crossed a line. I'm the ref, and quickly had to separate a black kid who shoved another white kid. "WTH are you two doing? We're teammates." On one play, two black kids on our team are going after a ball going out of bounds. The kid closest to the ball, as he's going out of bounds, leaps, gets the ball and attempts to throw the ball back in bounds. The ball hits the other kid in the head. It hurt, I could see it. But he couldn't rationalize that it was just a sports play. He was angry. He wanted to hurt the other kid. THREE full minutes later, that other kid got the ball, and the one that got hurt just shoved him as hard as he could and I watched the kid go tumbling on the asphalt. Then my son, schooled a kid, made a move, blew buy him for a layup. It was wide open, but the black kid (let me repeat, this sweet kid...amazing kid, who'd helped my son with math, who's so freaking polite it's scary...just flat out shoves my son in the back as he's going for the layup and my son goes head over heels on the asphalt. Another WTF moment. Basektball was over for the night.

Final night there, friday, we the coaches were talking inside the one guy's villa, about departure details. Pounding and screaming at the door. I go running out. You guessed it. Black kid on our team gets into fight with hispanic kid, body slams him.

This is just stream of thought, but what really set in for me, on this particular trip was how deep and pervasive violence is to so many of these black kids. It's almost so deep, it's like instinct. It happens before they think. It's scary. I'm so sad for my kids that they had to see this, but also so glad they did. There are so many vast differences in our cultures at times it's mind boggling.

When you say it is in them and it is just instinctive, who are you talking about? It damn sure seems to me that you took a shot at me.. Who's culture is so different from yours?
 
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