What's Worse?

[Djfan]

Coolie in a thong.

Is there a medication for that?

 

[Lunar]

Is there a medication for that?

No

 

[warriors42]

It’s not that bad but inhaling any smoke into your lungs on regular basis is not good. Edibles probably won’t hurt you. Young people especially who take it to excess will mess up their brain chemistry.

Have you ever actually smoked weed? I grew up in the 60s and 70s we smoked weed all day every day. hell we tried coming up with new ways of smoking weed like taking a frosted mug and blowing a shotgun into it, all the THC stays at the bottom and then you drink it down in a gulp.

That being said there were six of us that grew up together and everyone went on to have a successful lives. now there is a huge difference in THC content from then to now but people saying weed is harmful in any way do not know WTH they are talking about.

People calling it a gate way drug ??? I hardly ever smoked weed when I dropped acid or did the devils dandruff.

 

[MT~Forged]

ANYTHING in excess is normally a bad thing.

I use the shyte out of THC & CBD for issues incurred in my younger years. Tinnitus from the Navy, rotator pain from Baseball, knee pain an hip pain inherited from the family. I used to buy salves and balms but now we buy the oils and make our own to save costs.

I also brew my own beer, wine and ciders because my brewery doesn’t support all the woke and transfagory BS

 

[MT~Forged]

People calling it a gate way drug ??? I hardly ever smoked weed when I dropped acid or did the devils dandruff.

People calling pot a “gateway” drug are just the idiots that use that term to scare other idiots into supporting their agenda.

 

[Confluence]

There's plenty of proof out there. I'm not going to go vaccine by vaccine and post all of the research, especially since any source that is not some anti-vaxxer site will be immediately discredited here. In 1900 about 20% of children died before their 5th birthday. Average life expectancy was around 47 years. Smallpox alone had a 30% fatality rate. Smallpox, polio, diptheria, mumps, rubella, Hib, and tetanus all largely eliminated from countries where vaccines are prevalent. Measles was almost there too, oops. Hep B, Hep A, chickenpox and whooping cough all greatly reduced. Aside from death, massive reductions in hospitalizations, paralysis, deafness, blindness, encephalitis and other issues caused by vaccine preventable illnesses.

well that is the narrative of the last several generations. Did you know, for instance, that measles deaths were very close to zero before the measles vaccine was even introduced?

Clean water, modern sanitation, less poverty, better care of infants and mothers all greatly reduced the adverse effects these diseases brought on. There was a time, only a couple generations ago, when local groups would gather kids around those who had measles and chicken pox so that they all developed immunity together.

Do you know if removing immunity effects by using vaccines to induce rather than natural immunity has a better long term health profile?

 

[Confluence]

Does anyone know where to find a list of the safest vaccines?

With so many, all with approvals of "safe" that means safety studies were done in advance AND ongoing safety is being monitored, ther surely must be a ranking of which ones are safer or better tolerated and which ones are lesser.

Doctors who prescribe these things should all have this information for dissemination to patients/guardians for their informed consent.

 

[Djfan]

People calling pot a “gateway” drug are just the idiots that use that term to scare other idiots into supporting their agenda.

This idiot, who has been in corrections for 6.5 years disagrees. 99% of the guys in there started with simple weed. It escalated from there.

 

[Confluence]

This idiot, who has been in corrections for 6.5 years disagrees. 99% of the guys in there started with simple weed. It escalated from there.

Correlation.
Just because it was available when kids were teenagers does not mean it caused coke or heroin or meth addictions later in life.
What other problems do they have? Mental health, physical health, poverty, bad family life, etc.
How many are in jail for weed or related crimes?
Fwiw, youth cannabis use declines in states after legalization.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Now hold on there, Skippy. I get where you are coming from with the people who are out of control. In my hometown paper a 58 year old dude was so intoxicated at the local Sheets that his pants fell down exposing his genitalia and he hadn't realized it. This week, same guy, was in the sitting area of the same sheetz eating his food and had **** himself to the point he stunk up the joint and the cops were called again.

But here I am at home, a nice bourbon, relaxing on the couch watching some post draft stuff on YouTube. I don't get drunk, mean, physical, belligerent, or piss myself while passed out. Alcohol is very therapeutic when drank responsibly.

I didn't say every single person...lol. But it's hard to argue 178,000(you have up and down years) people a year die from alcohol related causes,with it being 2.6 million globally. I'm sure this includes indirectly as well,like getting killed by a drunk driver or beaten to death. Things of that sort.

It is a poison though and is toxic to the body. There's zero real health benefits to it.

I've certainly done my share of toxic things when I was younger, I'm just aware what they do to you.

That would come from my mother who was a drug and alcohol councilor for a while back when I was a kid. A lot of mental illness was caused from it as well.

It was an eye opener.
I had a client some years back who used to drink 19 shots of rum a night before he went to bed. This happened 7 days a week 365 days a year.
I tried to get him to rehab, but he wanted no part of it. The physical dependency was too much to handle the detox.

He's no longer with us unfortunately.

This was a Vietnam Marine combat veteran who was a tunnel rat with permanent ptsd.

 

[Lunar]

I also brew my own beer, wine and ciders because my brewery doesn’t support all the woke and transfagory BS

My sister found out through ancestry.com that our Grandfather on my Mothers side was a bootlegger in Missouri during prohibition. Had his own still. He was busted three times and did 6 months jail time. My Mom had no idea. Now I wonder if his recipe is in an old book somewhere.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

 

[xjx]

His recipe is in a bottle in a liquor store.

 

[oneforthebus]

well that is the narrative of the last several generations. Did you know, for instance, that measles deaths were very close to zero before the measles vaccine was even introduced?

Clean water, modern sanitation, less poverty, better care of infants and mothers all greatly reduced the adverse effects these diseases brought on. There was a time, only a couple generations ago, when local groups would gather kids around those who had measles and chicken pox so that they all developed immunity together.

Do you know if removing immunity effects by using vaccines to induce rather than natural immunity has a better long term health profile?

Measles is not particularly fatal, but it can cause severe illness, hospitalization and permanent disability. Maybe that’s no biggie to you but to most people it’s pretty important.

 

[oneforthebus]

Have you ever actually smoked weed? I grew up in the 60s and 70s we smoked weed all day every day. hell we tried coming up with new ways of smoking weed like taking a frosted mug and blowing a shotgun into it, all the THC stays at the bottom and then you drink it down in a gulp.

That being said there were six of us that grew up together and everyone went on to have a successful lives. now there is a huge difference in THC content from then to now but people saying weed is harmful in any way do not know WTH they are talking about.

People calling it a gate way drug ??? I hardly ever smoked weed when I dropped acid or did the devils dandruff.

I have. As I mentioned it’s not harmful in moderation. Smoking or vaping anything regularly is bad for your lungs There are studies on the negative effects of heavy marijuana use on developing brains. Gateway drug? Probably no more than alcohol or any other mind altering substance. People with addictive tendencies will probably become addicted regardless of how they get their start.

 

[Djfan]

You can cite any data you wish. I will never budge. It's a bad idea. End of discussion.

What are your thoughts on Shedure Sanders?

Correlation.
Just because it was available when kids were teenagers does not mean it caused coke or heroin or meth addictions later in life.
What other problems do they have? Mental health, physical health, poverty, bad family life, etc.
How many are in jail for weed or related crimes?
Fwiw, youth cannabis use declines in states after legalizat

 

[MT~Forged]

This idiot, who has been in corrections for 6.5 years disagrees. 99% of the guys in there started with simple weed. It escalated from there.

"Gateway" and "readily available" are two different things

 

[oneforthebus]

Does anyone know where to find a list of the safest vaccines?

With so many, all with approvals of "safe" that means safety studies were done in advance AND ongoing safety is being monitored, ther surely must be a ranking of which ones are safer or better tolerated and which ones are lesser.

Doctors who prescribe these things should all have this information for dissemination to patients/guardians for their informed consent.

Why would there be a “ranking” of safest vaccines? That’s not how science works. Every medical intervention has varying rates of efficacy and adverse events. All vaccines have very rare proven incidences of serious adverse events All vaccines in current use have benefits that outweigh the risks. To “rank” them, you would have to come up with some formula that compared the risks of not getting each vaccine with the risks of getting it. “Safest” cannot mean just fewest adverse events without weighing adverse events of not getting it.
Let’s pretend for a moment that smallpox vaccine kills 1 person per million but smallpox itself kills 300,000 people per million. How do you rank the “safety” of the vaccine?

 

[Booted]

 

[Confluence]

Measles is not particularly fatal, but it can cause severe illness, hospitalization and permanent disability. Maybe that’s no biggie tp you but to most people it’s pretty important.

Ok, sure
Is the measles shot actually safer than no measles shot? Where would one find the actual data and studies to determine this? FDA is responsible for postmarketing studies on both safety and efficacy.

 

[Confluence]

I didn't say every single person...lol. But it's hard to argue 178,000(you have up and down years) people a year die from alcohol related causes,with it being 2.6 million globally. I'm sure this includes indirectly as well,like getting killed by a drunk driver or beaten to death. Things of that sort.

It is a poison though and is toxic to the body. There's zero real health benefits to it.

I've certainly done my share of toxic things when I was younger, I'm just aware what they do to you.

That would come from my mother who was a drug and alcohol councilor for a while back when I was a kid. A lot of mental illness was caused from it as well.

It was an eye opener.
I had a client some years back who used to drink 19 shots of rum a night before he went to bed. This happened 7 days a week 365 days a year.
I tried to get him to rehab, but he wanted no part of it. The physical dependency was too much to handle the detox.

He's no longer with us unfortunately.

This was a Vietnam Marine combat veteran who was a tunnel rat with permanent ptsd.

Respectfully, how do you know this to be true?

In your example, the Vietnam vet was presumably affected over there and then alcoholism was a symptom of his PSTD, not the causative factor.

How can we determine if folks are using alcohol or other drugs to self-medicate mental health or other problems, rather than suggesting they were the actual cause?

 

[Confluence]

Why would there be a “ranking” of safest vaccines? That’s not how science works. Every medical intervention has varying rates of efficacy and adverse events.

You contradicted yourself. A doctor, for any given problem or issue, can choose from a list of treatment modalities that can clearly be ordered by risk(adverse events) and efficacy as you pointed out.

So there are data on safety, and that could easily be compiled into a "safest vaccine" list for the purpose of informed consent. Like when your Financial Advisor says "this is my list of recommended stocks/funds for your portfolio for your situation, with the safer ones at the top and riskier ones at the bottom."

All vaccines have very rare proven incidences of serious adverse events All vaccines in current use have benefits that outweigh the risks. To “rank” them, you would have to come up with some formula that compared the risks of not getting each vaccine with the risks of getting it.

Yes, this is what the FDA calls postmarketing or Phase IV. Where is this for vaccines?

“Safest” cannot mean just fewest adverse events without weighing adverse events of not getting it.
Let’s pretend for a moment that smallpox vaccine kills 1 person per million but snallpox itself kills 300,000 people per million. How do you rank the “safety” of the vaccine?

You are correct. And how did you know that as a child i had a very adverse (and unreported) event to that nasty smallpox "vaccine"? lol

Where are the data like you just lined out for all vaccines? lol

 

[Superman]

Does anyone know where to find a list of the safest vaccines?

With so many, all with approvals of "safe" that means safety studies were done in advance AND ongoing safety is being monitored, ther surely must be a ranking of which ones are safer or better tolerated and which ones are lesser.

Doctors who prescribe these things should all have this information for dissemination to patients/guardians for their informed consent.

the only vaccine you need from here going forward is the ClotShot, personally prescribed to and by Dr. Flogstain Von Cockswallower.

 

[oneforthebus]

You contradicted yourself. A doctor, for any given problem or issue, can choose from a list of treatment modalities that can clearly be ordered by risk(adverse events) and efficacy as you pointed out.

So there are data on safety, and that could easily be compiled into a "safest vaccine" list for the purpose of informed consent. Like when your Financial Advisor says "this is my list of recommended stocks/funds for your portfolio for your situation, with the safer ones at the top and riskier ones at the bottom."

Yes, this is what the FDA calls postmarketing or Phase IV. Where is this for vaccines?

You are correct. And how did you know that as a child i had a very adverse (and unreported) event to that nasty smallpox "vaccine"? lol

Where are the data like you just lined out for all vaccines? lol

Again, smallpox had a 30% fatality rate. I’m sorry you had a nasty reaction, which as I stated is possible but rare, but you’re alive right? There aren’t hundreds or thousands of kids dying from smallpox anymore, that’s a good thing right?

 

[Confluence]

Again, smallpox had a 30% fatality rate. I’m sorry you had a nasty reaction, which as I stated is possible but rare, but you’re alive right? There aren’t hundreds or thousands of kids dying from smallpox anymore, that’s a good thing right?

30% ????? Did you mean in the early 1800s?

"During the 1970s, one vaccine was eliminated. Because of successful eradication efforts, the smallpox vaccine was no longer recommended for use after 1972. While vaccine research continued, new vaccines were not introduced during the 1970s."

It seems like there was a safety standard back then. Maybe I've missed your research on smallpox. Please enlighten me.

Here is research from NIH:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1069029/

"ADVERSE EFFECTS OF VACCINATION
Frequency and Clinical Features
Smallpox vaccine is less safe than other vaccines routinely used today. The vaccine is associated with known adverse effects that range from mild to severe. Mild vaccine reactions include formation of satellite lesions, fever, muscle aches, regional lymphadenopathy, fatigue, headache, nausea, rashes, and soreness at the vaccination site. A recent clinical trial reported that more than one-third of vaccine recipients missed days of work or school because of these mild vaccine-related symptoms."

Here is a nice graph demonstrating no more smallpox.