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Why our OL scheme sucks - Nice mini-eval

keslerclan

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This short video shows why some plays work and some don't. In fact, the few that worked were the result of our RB choosing to go where the play wasn't designed to go!

A run-game coordinator would sure help along with an OL coach that could actually SEE what anyone else can clearly see.

 
I get it our O-Line sucks...And certainly scheme would help some.

My biggest gripe with Harris is he just doesn't get into gear quick enough & punish defenders in spite of this horrid O-Line.

But there are many, many examples of RB's who had great seasons behind less than stellar O-Lines...dude needs to be one of 'em.
 
I get it our O-Line sucks...And certainly scheme would help some.

My biggest gripe with Harris is he just doesn't get into gear quick enough & punish defenders in spite of this horrid O-Line.

But there are many, many examples of RB's who had great seasons behind less than stellar O-Lines...dude needs to be one of 'em.
Well, it'd be nice if the OC actually used him to his strength and let him run downhill instead of handing him the ball from the shotgun. Put Kenny under center and let Najee get a head of steam going before he hits the line. The BS they call for him is not actually beneficial to him, the offense or the team.
 
Well, it'd be nice if the OC actually used him to his strength and let him run downhill instead of handing him the ball from the shotgun. Put Kenny under center and let Najee get a head of steam going before he hits the line.
I know they've been doing this since Big Ben...Do our coaches EVER watch what other teams run ?
 
We've all said it before, it's NOT rocket science. Why not just have our guys run OTHER successful teams plays? It would be the easiest thing to do until we get some creativity and talent in our coaching ranks. That's what a running game coordinator could do right now.

Look at the screen shot above...is ANY defensive player being blocked/engaged at all? Nope. That is a fixable problem.

There are some plays when Warren has guys already in his face too, it's not just a Najee problem. Yes Najee weighs 20# more than the "bowling ball" which only works to his advantage when he is moving vertically. We should be killing it with the run game but our blocking schemes (not all but many) just plain suck.
 
That was discouraging. Cole is worse than I thought. They don't at all resemble a pro o-line.
 
This short video shows why some plays work and some don't. In fact, the few that worked were the result of our RB choosing to go where the play wasn't designed to go!

A run-game coordinator would sure help along with an OL coach that could actually SEE what anyone else can clearly see.


This was good….Thanks for posting this file room video.
Yeah, it’s pretty much what I’ve been seeing and thinking all along. This scheme and zone blocking assignments do not fit these OL skill set especially Mason Cole. He’s an average center, actually he is backup material and has no business being asked to do what he’s being asked to do. He’s just not athletically gifted enough to do what’s being asked of him and a lot of these plays start with him.
If they want to get this running game going I would go more to man on man blocking rather than this zone. We could be more successful with running the ball and it would open up the play action and you need to put Kenny under center more.
Too much shotgun, too predictable.
 
I know they've been doing this since Big Ben...Do our coaches EVER watch what other teams run ?
only when they're 15 yards past the LOS on our defense
 
We've all said it before, it's NOT rocket science. Why not just have our guys run OTHER successful teams plays? It would be the easiest thing to do until we get some creativity and talent in our coaching ranks. That's what a running game coordinator could do right now.

Look at the screen shot above...is ANY defensive player being blocked/engaged at all? Nope. That is a fixable problem.

There are some plays when Warren has guys already in his face too, it's not just a Najee problem. Yes Najee weighs 20# more than the "bowling ball" which only works to his advantage when he is moving vertically. We should be killing it with the run game but our blocking schemes (not all but many) just plain suck.
i think this is both true in fact and yet wrong in gameday results. If you look back at the Texans, they ripped the Steelers D apart with those outside zone runs - yes, those very shotgun handoffs!

i KNOW the Steelers coaches don't look at what other teams call but also i KNOW the offense calls mostly plays which ask the OL to do things they suck at. i mean i posted in thread here where Kendrick Green took care of ILB Roberts on that kind of outside running play. (maybe it was a screen play, i forget but almost the same thing)
He was on our f*ckin roster in camp. What do they run in Cleveland? outside running plays. Well of course, with big ole Cole in there why not? lol
 
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Why cannot the coaching staff call concepts that work toward the talent on the roster - or even neutral - just stop calling the weaknesses? why?
 
We need to draft a Center or get another in free agency. Cole has regressed.
That should be a priority which is why I think they should look for a free agent option. And look for an O-line coach before that...
 
Our OL scheme sucks cuz…

1) It is Mike Tomlin’s
2) Canada’s “schemes” (the red crayon) suck and he is involved
3) Pat Mayer is absolute garbage
4) Najee is not Barry Sanders, **** he may not be as good as the UDFA behind him on his own team

Yup the math checks out
 
Steelers Depot did a good piece and video on our run-blocking schemes 2 or 3 weeks ago. It showed exactly how stupid they were and how they weren't working at all. Sure, the OL has to execute and they haven't been great but if they are set up for failure by the OL coach and by Canaduh from the start, nothing will go well.
 
This short video shows why some plays work and some don't. In fact, the few that worked were the result of our RB choosing to go where the play wasn't designed to go!

A run-game coordinator would sure help along with an OL coach that could actually SEE what anyone else can clearly see.


That first play is 100% on James Daniels. He needs to hit #94 Tomlinson then come off that to get to the LB #6 Owusu-Koramoah. He barely touches #94 not giving Cole a chance. I mean I don't Pouncey or Dawson could get over fast enough to square up on #94 with their feet so no chance Cole is going to. Then on top of that he whiffed on #6 who makes the tackle for loss. I see a lot of blame going out on Cole and I do get it. We need to improve that spot. But at this point I would say Daniels should be replaced by Herbig.
The second play Daniels again doesn't even slow up #94 which is part of the reason Najee has to change direction. Also, Najee is too slow to get to the edge. Moore, Seumalo and Cole actually do a good job getting out to where they need to be and if Warren is the back that play is a good gainer to the left. Thank god Cleveland didn't have contain on the right. SO he is right good effort by Najee but Warren would have been out far enough as long as he gets away from #94 to take advantage of the blocking. Cole got to his position but he and Moore for some reason try blocking the same guy. A little miscommunication. But his run didn't work the way it was supposed to because #1 Daniels missed his block #2 Najee is too slow. But on another note, Kenny and Austin did a nice job getting in enough of the way to give Najee some room to run. Great efforts on their part.
The third play Cole is lost. He needs to go get a hat on #5 Walker but even if he misses that assignment and mistakenly goes to #6 he still gives Najee one-on-one with a guy probably lighter than him. On a side note Daniels again got pushed back but does a good enough job redirecting to give Najee some space behind him to the A gap.
4th play Cole's man gets off his block. His fault.
5th play Cole did his job. doubles, gets off and hits his guy like it is designed. Daniels does the same, doubles, gets off to the LB. Washington gets blown up. It is his fault.
6th play is just poorly designed. You have Chuks trying to get to the CB and Washington blocking the End. Just designed to fail. Washington gets pushed back and Chuks isn't quick enough to get to the CB.
7th play Chuks doesn't block his man. Cole can't hold his guy for long enough to get Najee thru the hole. But this is one where I feel Warren probably hits the hole a step faster and turns this into a gain.
8th play is another horrible play design. It worked once because they caught the DT coming in out of control. Maybe Canada saw something on film and thought this would work. And it did. Once. Take it and move on. Unless you plan on your LG letting him past then knocking him out of control with a side or shoulder block. And even then do you want that DT coming in out of control running at your QB. Just don't like the play.
 
Steelers Depot did a good piece and video on our run-blocking schemes 2 or 3 weeks ago. It showed exactly how stupid they were and how they weren't working at all. Sure, the OL has to execute and they haven't been great but if they are set up for failure by the OL coach and by Canaduh from the start, nothing will go well.
Thing is there is enough issues present that they really can't replace just one guy. Cole would be a good start but it is too many players on that line not proficient from play to play.


We know Canada must go but that O-line coach is doing the team no favors and should be high on the chopping block.
 
Thing is there is enough issues present that they really can't replace just one guy. Cole would be a good start but it is too many players on that line not proficient from play to play.


We know Canada must go but that O-line coach is doing the team no favors and should be high on the chopping block.
True but I still wonder why guys have gotten worse from last year to this year. Cole was very respectable at C last year but not this year. Moore looked like he improved in the preseason but now looks worse than last year. Chuks isn't any better. Semualo looks much worse than in Phillie although that could be because he was the worst on probably the best OL in the NFL. Even Daniels wasn't looking as good before his injury. You have to think it's coaching and schemes especially when some of these good analysts break things down with video just showing stupid formations from the OL. The entire coaching staff on O has to go and don't get me started on the D because Austin is the scapegoat but it's still Tomlin's baby.
 
True but I still wonder why guys have gotten worse from last year to this year. Cole was very respectable at C last year but not this year. Moore looked like he improved in the preseason but now looks worse than last year. Chuks isn't any better. Semualo looks much worse than in Phillie although that could be because he was the worst on probably the best OL in the NFL. Even Daniels wasn't looking as good before his injury. You have to think it's coaching and schemes especially when some of these good analysts break things down with video just showing stupid formations from the OL. The entire coaching staff on O has to go and don't get me started on the D because Austin is the scapegoat but it's still Tomlin's baby.
Oh I completely think the main culprit is coaching. Just makes the most sense in comparison...
 
Because Matt Canada is incompetent. He only knows his system and that's it. He doesn't know what else to do.
There is talent on the OL. They dont move well at all - except for Jones, he moves like none other at LT!

The Steelers could quickly jettison ALL the run-blocking inside-zone schemes they taught for the last 3 (30) years;
and simply put in maybe 10 plays running plays where the OL perform very, very easy to learn man (angle)/gap blocks.
If, IF the D blows **** up with unblocked Mike LBer who was shading the tackle, then f*ck-it, so be it.

At least the "GOONS" that Tomlin wanted - and whom Omar delivered in spades - have clear, straight-forward assignments and aren't going to spend time trying to figure out where the F- they need to be on the block.
 
Steelers Depot did a good piece and video on our run-blocking schemes 2 or 3 weeks ago. It showed exactly how stupid they were and how they weren't working at all. Sure, the OL has to execute and they haven't been great but if they are set up for failure by the OL coach and by Canaduh from the start, nothing will go well.
A scheme the head coach endorses because he hires these coaches and keeps them when things don't work.
 
A scheme the head coach endorses because he hires these coaches and keeps them when things don't work.
So in this aspect we can't say he isn't part of the problem.
 
So in this aspect we can't say he isn't part of the problem.
Playoff failures and mediocrity have been around too long to not put the head coach at the top of the problem list. Canada never should've been hired and is already in his third year. Austin was an underwhelming hire at defensive coordinator. The entire premise of the team is to win games 17-14. It's not championship level football and expectations are to finish .500 or better, not even win the division every year. We are likely to be 7 straight years without a playoff win, the longest streak since before the 70s. Prior to that, the Steelers went 4 years without a playoff win twice: 1980-83 and 2011-14.
 
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