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Why our OL scheme sucks - Nice mini-eval

Playoff failures and mediocrity have been around too long to not put the head coach at the top of the problem list. Canada never should've been hired and is already in his third year. Austin was an underwhelming hire at defensive coordinator. The entire premise of the team is to win games 17-14. It's not championship level football and expectations are to finish .500 or better, not even win the division every year. We are likely to be 7 straight years without a playoff win, the longest streak since before the 70s. Prior to that, the Steelers went 4 years without a playoff win twice: 1980-83 and 2011-14.

I get the feeling that the team is trying hard to go back to the glory years of power running and defending every blade of grass, when the league moved past that years ago…
 
I get the feeling that the team is trying hard to go back to the glory years of power running and defending every blade of grass, when the league moved past that years ago…
Well, they talk the talk but don't walk the walk. The front office was pretty committed to this with the offseason moves. Drafting Dawand Jones over Darnell Washington in the third would've been another step toward a power ground attack. I just don't see the commitment from the coaching staff. They don't run training camp like they want to be a power running team and they certainly don't commit to the ground game any given week. Whatever they're doing will be enough to finish in the middle of the league and get absolutely destroyed by the real contenders.
 
Well, they talk the talk but don't walk the walk. The front office was pretty committed to this with the offseason moves. Drafting Dawand Jones over Darnell Washington in the third would've been another step toward a power ground attack. I just don't see the commitment from the coaching staff. They don't run training camp like they want to be a power running team and they certainly don't commit to the ground game any given week. Whatever they're doing will be enough to finish in the middle of the league and get absolutely destroyed by the real contenders.
This. 💯
 
Well, they talk the talk but don't walk the walk. The front office was pretty committed to this with the offseason moves. Drafting Dawand Jones over Darnell Washington in the third would've been another step toward a power ground attack. I just don't see the commitment from the coaching staff. They don't run training camp like they want to be a power running team and they certainly don't commit to the ground game any given week. Whatever they're doing will be enough to finish in the middle of the league and get absolutely destroyed by the real contenders.

I thought there were several good RT options available later too… i know they didn’t think DJones was going to be a guy who lasts long because of his drive and size… but still double dipping on the oline before the seventh round would’ve been a good idea … I really hope that Cook kid works out
 
I thought there were several good RT options available later too… i know they didn’t think DJones was going to be a guy who lasts long because of his drive and size… but still double dipping on the oline before the seventh round would’ve been a good idea … I really hope that Cook kid works out
Good point, there are always quality RT prospects later. You can even trace the lack of true commitment to the ground game when the Steelers signed arguably their worst run blocking lineman in Okorafor to a long-term deal. It made no sense at the time and still doesn't to this day.
 
Good point, there are always quality RT prospects later. You can even trace the lack of true commitment to the ground game when the Steelers signed arguably their worst run blocking lineman in Okorafor to a long-term deal. It made no sense at the time and still doesn't to this day.

They did a signing reach for Chuks… they planned to move him to LT and figured they would get a discount long term deal out of it… or at worse a market value average LT… then he didn’t cut it and became an expensive RT
 
Good point, there are always quality RT prospects later. You can even trace the lack of true commitment to the ground game when the Steelers signed arguably their worst run blocking lineman in Okorafor to a long-term deal. It made no sense at the time and still doesn't to this day.
Some of that is that old philosophy of retaining their own. Sure resign players but not ones that are deficit in one area.

Hopefully the new regime will continue stock piling the trenches.
 
Id think that next year if Cook is ready, they will have an open competition at RT and either Moore or Chuks will be traded…
 
The problem is the same with the OL as it is with the QBs, IMO.

Neither can truly be evaluated under the scheme/coaching that has been present for the last few years.

Our OL might be just fine running gap/power/trap type offense we ran under Cowher's tenure. We won't know until we change what we are doing that is NOT working.

Unfortunately, that might be 80%.
 
Why cannot the coaching staff call concepts that work toward the talent on the roster - or even neutral - just stop calling the weaknesses? why?
Why? Because MT is a HC that believes the players need to conform to and execute HIS SYSTEM. A good HC designs a system that utilizes his player’s abilities. A great HC will be able to do BOTH.

The Steelers have a mediocre HC, whom ownership was hoping would be great, but didn’t have the experience when hired. After many years, he reached his ceiling, but ownership keeps hoping he needs “just one more year”.
 
I get the feeling that the team is trying hard to go back to the glory years of power running and defending every blade of grass, when the league moved past that years ago…
Or hoping that it will come back around, and they will be a year or two ahead.
 
Good point, there are always quality RT prospects later. You can even trace the lack of true commitment to the ground game when the Steelers signed arguably their worst run blocking lineman in Okorafor to a long-term deal. It made no sense at the time and still doesn't to this day.
He had system experience, which they greatly overvalued.
 
They did a signing reach for Chuks… they planned to move him to LT and figured they would get a discount long term deal out of it… or at worse a market value average LT… then he didn’t cut it and became an expensive RT.

Was that under the Colbert or Kahn regime ?

Either way it was a desperate move to not have to invest a draft pick and with the high dollar involved, they felt hi was going to fill a much anticipated void.


Salute the nation
 
Because Matt Canada is incompetent. He only knows his system and that's it. He doesn't know what else to do.
I remember hearing two years ago that he needed more mobile QB to run his offense. Well???
 
A scheme the head coach endorses because he hires these coaches and keeps them when things don't work.
Playoff failures and mediocrity have been around too long to not put the head coach at the top of the problem list. Canada never should've been hired and is already in his third year. Austin was an underwhelming hire at defensive coordinator. The entire premise of the team is to win games 17-14. It's not championship level football and expectations are to finish .500 or better, not even win the division every year. We are likely to be 7 straight years without a playoff win, the longest streak since before the 70s. Prior to that, the Steelers went 4 years without a playoff win twice: 1980-83 and 2011-14.
For all his faults, Shades never has a losing season (until maybe this year) OR a down year with 3, 4, 5 wins. He’s obviously okay with that and so is Deuce.
 
For all his faults, Shades never has a losing season (until maybe this year) OR a down year with 3, 4, 5 wins. He’s obviously okay with that and so is Deuce.
Unfortunately that is our Groundhog Day.
 
The 2 weak points on the line right now are Cole and Okorafor. Obviously Cole is an ok starter-he has regressed from last seasons play (undisclosed injury or is he dealing with something?) either way, he’s been the focus of attack by most defenses this season. If I’m Raheem Morris, I’m game planning my attack next week with Aaron Donald against Cole and Okorafor. I feel that Daniels (or Herbig), Seumalo and Jones would be able to manage.
I’m hoping after the bye week Pat Meyers and Eddie Faulkner get more say in the blocking scheme. The Canada blocking scheme just doesn’t work. They proved it a few games they went to conventional blocking, nose down, man on man, doubling up on blocks. The other reason I say this is last season after the bye, the oline was different. They looked like using better technique and simplified blocking schemes. I would guess that this was more Meyer/Faulkner than Canada.
I think Meyer is a fine coach, his or any offensive line coaching scheme in the nfl do not get with Canada and what he wants to do.
 
What someone needs to do is go back and compare blocking schemes in the end of last year with the beginning and both to this year…

Sometimes a staff tries to install something and when it doesn’t work they simplify things then try again the next year… if post bye week, the line looks better again then it may well be that the ultimate scheme they want to run is flawed
 
What someone needs to do is go back and compare blocking schemes in the end of last year with the beginning and both to this year…

Sometimes a staff tries to install something and when it doesn’t work they simplify things then try again the next year… if post bye week, the line looks better again then it may well be that the ultimate scheme they want to run is flawed
Wouldn't be a shocker if it changed. Very curious about why Cole has regressed. He was known to be solid prior to signing and carried that into last season. So the greater look had him > than what he is showing now.


Gives me some hope that he can bounce back but will he? Who knows..
 
The 2 weak points on the line right now are Cole and Okorafor. Obviously Cole is an ok starter-he has regressed from last seasons play (undisclosed injury or is he dealing with something?) either way, he’s been the focus of attack by most defenses this season. If I’m Raheem Morris, I’m game planning my attack next week with Aaron Donald against Cole and Okorafor. I feel that Daniels (or Herbig), Seumalo and Jones would be able to manage.
I’m hoping after the bye week Pat Meyers and Eddie Faulkner get more say in the blocking scheme. The Canada blocking scheme just doesn’t work. They proved it a few games they went to conventional blocking, nose down, man on man, doubling up on blocks. The other reason I say this is last season after the bye, the oline was different. They looked like using better technique and simplified blocking schemes. I would guess that this was more Meyer/Faulkner than Canada.
I think Meyer is a fine coach, his or any offensive line coaching scheme in the nfl do not get with Canada and what he wants to do.
Does Alex Kozora visit this site? His latest film break down sounds familiar. Sounds like things we all have been saying-and we’re not breaking down film.
 
Does Alex Kozora visit this site? His latest film break down sounds familiar. Sounds like things we all have been saying-and we’re not breaking down film.
I have seen my opinions here becoming an article there the next day but hey, many people could think alike, anyway they do a good job with film analysis and here many people link their articles as interesting source of info, so I guess it's fine by me
 
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Meh I post things here hoping the great unwashed media will assimilate it… lol
I wouldn't be shocked if the board was a hunting ground for article ideas from outside writers.
 
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