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Why the Steelers should Keep 4 QBs

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This is a response to a local reporters article, I won't reference the article or source, but here is my thoughts on why the Steelers should keep 4 QBS- I wrote it in article form:

The Steelers have four quarterbacks who appear capable of belonging on NFL rosters this fall.

That's not a problem.

It's an opportunity — and Pittsburgh would be making a mistake by giving one of them away simply because carrying four quarterbacks is unusual in today's NFL.

Aaron Rodgers is the starter. Mason Rudolph is the experienced backup. Will Howard and Drew Allar are young developmental quarterbacks whom Mike McCarthy and the Steelers clearly believe have potential.

So why should Pittsburgh be in a hurry to get rid of one?

The argument against keeping four quarterbacks usually starts with the same premise: A fourth quarterback is wasting a valuable roster spot that could instead be used on a running back, offensive lineman, defensive back or special-teams player.

That sounds reasonable until you look at how NFL rosters actually work.

The Steelers can have 53 players on their regular-season roster, but only 48 normally dress on game day when the required number of offensive linemen are active.

In other words, five players on the 53-man roster aren't going to be part of the normal game-day lineup anyway.

One of those players can be designated as the emergency third quarterback. He doesn't count among the normal 48 active players and can enter only if the first two quarterbacks are injured or disqualified.

So let's say Rodgers and Rudolph are active.

Howard could be designated as the emergency quarterback.

And Allar could simply be one of the other inactive players.

What exactly has been "hindered"?

The fourth quarterback isn't taking a helmet away from a running back who otherwise would be covering kicks that afternoon. The Steelers already are going to have several members of their 53-man roster inactive every week.

Meanwhile, positions such as running back are exactly the kind of places where a team can use its practice squad for additional depth.

The NFL allows a 16-player practice squad, and teams can temporarily elevate practice-squad players during the season. If Pittsburgh believes it needs another running back, receiver, defensive back or special-teams contributor for a particular matchup, it has mechanisms for doing that.

The Steelers' bigger concern should be losing a quarterback prospect they actually value.

Put Howard or Allar on waivers with the intention of bringing him back to the practice squad and every other NFL team gets an opportunity to claim him.

That's considerably different from keeping an extra running back or depth player available on the practice squad.

Quarterback is the most difficult position in professional sports to find.

When you have two young quarterbacks worth developing, why voluntarily throw one back into the league simply because keeping four quarterbacks isn't fashionable?

And the circumstances surrounding these particular four quarterbacks make keeping them even more logical.

Rodgers is the starter, but he isn't Pittsburgh's long-term future.

Rudolph provides the experienced insurance a team trying to win now needs, but he isn't signed as the organization's quarterback for the next decade either.

That makes Howard and Allar especially valuable.

They aren't redundant pieces. They are two relatively inexpensive chances at solving the most important position on the roster after Rodgers is gone.

Nobody knows whether either will develop into a legitimate NFL starter.

That's precisely why keeping both makes sense.

The Steelers don't have to decide today which one is better.

Give McCarthy a full season to work with them. Let them practice against an NFL defense every week. Let them sit in quarterback meetings with Rodgers and Rudolph. Let the coaching staff see how each processes the offense, develops mechanically and handles NFL preparation.

Then make the decision with a year of information rather than a handful of preseason quarters.

Friday's 17-0 loss to the Jets shouldn't dramatically change that thinking.

Howard threw two interceptions and struggled.

A week earlier, he completed 7 of 9 passing, 86 yards, plus 1 rush for 2 yards in the preseason opener.

Allar wasn't spectacular against New York either, completing 11 of 23 passes for 110 yards. But one week earlier, he completed 10 of 13 for 153 yards and two touchdowns while adding another touchdown on the ground.

That's exactly why making a long-term quarterback decision based upon one preseason game would be foolish.

Young quarterbacks are inconsistent.

That's why they're developmental quarterbacks.

The question isn't whether Howard or Allar is ready to replace Rodgers in September. The question is whether either possesses enough ability to potentially become significantly more valuable after spending a season developing under McCarthy.

If the answer is yes, keep both.

The alternative is protecting a 53rd player at another position who very possibly won't dress on Sundays anyway and who may be far easier to replace through the practice squad or waiver wire.

There is also a simple matter of value.

If Howard or Allar develops, even into a high-quality No. 2 quarterback, his value to Pittsburgh — or his eventual trade value — could greatly exceed that of the last running back, sixth cornerback or ninth offensive lineman the Steelers would otherwise protect.

And if one actually develops into a starting-caliber quarterback?

Then keeping four quarterbacks for one season will look like an extraordinarily inexpensive investment.

Mike McCarthy has repeatedly emphasized the importance of the quarterback position and has said, in effect, that a team can't have too many good quarterbacks.

He's right.

The Steelers don't need four quarterbacks active on Sunday.

They need four quarterbacks under organizational control.

Those are two very different things.

Rodgers and Rudolph can handle the immediate job. Howard can serve as the emergency third quarterback. Allar can be inactive while continuing to develop. The Steelers can use their practice squad and weekly elevations to maintain depth at positions where interchangeable players are much easier to find.

And remember what we're debating.

We're not talking about sacrificing T.J. Watt, a starting offensive lineman or a core special-teams player to retain Drew Allar or Will Howard.

We're talking about the 53rd roster spot.

If Pittsburgh believes both young quarterbacks have legitimate developmental value, using that spot to protect one of the most valuable commodities in football makes far more sense than keeping an extra position player simply because NFL teams traditionally don't carry four quarterbacks.

The Steelers actually can have it all.

They can try to win now with Aaron Rodgers.

They can protect themselves with Mason Rudolph.

They can develop Will Howard.

And they can develop Drew Allar.

If one of the young quarterbacks eventually proves he isn't worth keeping, the Steelers can make that decision later.

But once they expose one to waivers, they might never get the opportunity to make it.

That's why the unusual move isn't necessarily the wrong move.

In this case, keeping four quarterbacks may be the smartest use of the Steelers' 53rd roster spot.
 
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Or, new Mike picks one of Allar, Howard or Rudolph as less good than the others and trades/drops him.

The OL was dogshit last night; maybe they can trade Jones and one of the QBs for a pizza, used jetski or a servicable RG.
 
Or, new Mike picks one of Allar, Howard or Rudolph as less good than the others and trades/drops him.

The OL was dogshit last night; maybe they can trade Jones and one of the QBs for a pizza, used jetski or a servicable RG.
Are we talking a Seadoo or Yamaha jet ski? Because I’ll throw in a life jacket and a full tank of gas
 
I don’t think the third QB declared inactive is an option anymore. I think the NFL did away with that several years ago and that 3rd QB is a # counted on the roster.

Someone let me know if I’m missing something-interpreting here.

Last night’s performance lowered Howards value, like it or not.

Seems like he only had “practiced rhythm” and not fast enough decision besides practiced to make different throws. (Some will get this, some won’t)

Ellar was under extreme duress the entire night. He hit receivers in the hands and on the numbers, but receivers had bad drops. Drew would have looked so much better had the 4 to 5 drops been catches. He had absolutely no one to through to or the receivers just couldn’t get open so he threw into the tight windows with velocity that may have been to hot to handle.
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I'd be happy with a large pie.


Don’t get any of it in your eye, that could be a whole new meaning to “pie-eyed”…….





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I don’t think the third QB declared inactive is an option anymore. I think the NFL did away with that several years ago and that 3rd QB is a # counted on the roster.

Someone let me know if I’m missing something-interpreting here.

Last night’s performance lowered Howards value, like it or not.

Seems like he only had “practiced rhythm” and not fast enough decision besides practiced to make different throws. (Some will get this, some won’t)

Ellar was under extreme duress the entire night. He hit receivers in the hands and on the numbers, but receivers had bad drops. Drew would have looked so much better had the 4 to 5 drops been catches. He had absolutely no one to through to or the receivers just couldn’t get open so he threw into the tight windows with velocity that may have been to hot to handle.
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I think last night really highlighted the difference in arm talent between Howard and Allar. When you don't have top arm strength, you have to make up for it in other areas such as decision making or accuracy, or maybe you're a good runner. Howard hasn't shown that plus quality quite yet.

Even when he was off platform, Allar was still able to rip a few completions or balls that should've been caught.
 
I don’t think the third QB declared inactive is an option anymore. I think the NFL did away with that several years ago and that 3rd QB is a # counted on the roster.

Someone let me know if I’m missing something-interpreting here.

Last night’s performance lowered Howards value, like it or not.

Seems like he only had “practiced rhythm” and not fast enough decision besides practiced to make different throws. (Some will get this, some won’t)

Ellar was under extreme duress the entire night. He hit receivers in the hands and on the numbers, but receivers had bad drops. Drew would have looked so much better had the 4 to 5 drops been catches. He had absolutely no one to through to or the receivers just couldn’t get open so he threw into the tight windows with velocity that may have been to hot to handle.
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The 3rd QB does not count as being part of the 48 active players game day, that is still the current rule. But the point of the article/post is the same - 4 QBs does not affect the final 53 as much as it use to before the increase to the 16 player practice squad (started as 5, then 8, then 10, now 16). That allows keeping a couple extra players at several positions.
 
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I don’t think the third QB declared inactive is an option anymore. I think the NFL did away with that several years ago and that 3rd QB is a # counted on the roster.

Someone let me know if I’m missing something-interpreting here.
The rule still exists, but not all teams utilize it.
 
The 3rd QB does not count as being part of the 48 active players game day, that is still the current rule. But the point of the article/post is the same - 4 QBs does not affect the final 53 as much as it use to before the 16 player practice squad.
You make a pretty good argument. I still think that I'd prefer trading Rudolph so the developmental guys would get a chance to get some real NFL experience, but I can see the path to keeping all four a little bit more clearly now.
 
Not much value in Rudolph or Howard, I don’t see either one being traded.


Howard I would agree with, but Rudy would gain some net capital.

Rudy is a perfect bac k-up QB, perfect team mate, low cost, and very likeable / approachable.




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The rule still exists, but not all teams utilize it.


Thanks Topseed, appreciate it.


ADD Note: The last time the Steelers engaged in 4 QBs on the roster was back when Kordell was here, he had more value than just a QB role.





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The rule still exists, but not all teams utilize it.



Just to be clear, that 3rd emergency QB does not count on game day roster number, but does count on team roster number.

I’m just making it clear for others here on the board

Clarifying a difference from confusion and Confucius,





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53rd players on NFL rosters are inconsequential

So of course they can keep 4

If ya have a prospect worth protecting use that 53rd spot on him rather than some chump 4th RB, 6 or 7th receiver or 9th or 10th OL that won’t sniff the field anyways

Not sold that Howard is that prospect, but weighed vs the other back end of the roster guys he may fit that bill
 
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I don’t think the third QB declared inactive is an option anymore. I think the NFL did away with that several years ago and that 3rd QB is a # counted on the roster.

Someone let me know if I’m missing something-interpreting here.

Last night’s performance lowered Howards value, like it or not.

Seems like he only had “practiced rhythm” and not fast enough decision besides practiced to make different throws. (Some will get this, some won’t)

Ellar was under extreme duress the entire night. He hit receivers in the hands and on the numbers, but receivers had bad drops. Drew would have looked so much better had the 4 to 5 drops been catches. He had absolutely no one to through to or the receivers just couldn’t get open so he threw into the tight windows with velocity that may have been to hot to handle.
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With both QBs having 2 preseason games under their belts Allar has looked far superior thus far in virtually every way.

I’d elevate him over Howard from just the very limited we’ve seen. It doesn’t even look that close to my eyes.

Allar may be our best QB on the roster today (hot take)
I’m not suggesting starting him by any means, they should bring him along slowly behind Rodgers and have it set up to do so.
 
Everyone is fixated on QB2,3,4 while Aaron is flying under the radar. I have barely seen any info on Rodgers. Has he looked good in camp? I know they won't cut him, but is a declining Rodgers with -5 mobility still better than Mason? I don't think Mason is the answer, but with our line and the way Rodgers moved last year it's concerning.
 
With both QBs having 2 preseason games under their belts Allar has looked far superior thus far in virtually every way.

I’d elevate him over Howard from just the very limited we’ve seen. It doesn’t even look that close to my eyes.

Allar may be our best QB on the roster today (hot take)
I’m not suggesting starting him by any means, they should bring him along slowly behind Rodgers and have it set up to do so.


Based on the two pre-season we have viewed, I agree here on the Allar over the Howard.

I also feel McCarthy is personally grooming Allar and will move him along in somewhat a protected developement manner.

Time will tell, but Allar definately has the edge here and should be starting this last pre-season game.



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Everyone is fixated on QB2,3,4 while Aaron is flying under the radar. I have barely seen any info on Rodgers. Has he looked good in camp? I know they won't cut him, but is a declining Rodgers with -5 mobility still better than Mason? I don't think Mason is the answer, but with our line and the way Rodgers moved last year it's concerning.


I’ve always been opposed to the return of the Rodgers, but previous staff made it a necessity.

I hope MM isn’t assuming anything about the Aaaa-Ron return to glory, he won’t.

No word on the Aaaa-Ron or above / below ability as opposed to last year.

I can hardly hope he has improved mobility unless he has been consuming LARGE volume of the TB12 athletic drink.





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If the OL is as bad as it has looked so far, the ceiling is 8-9 wins, don't see a point in keeping Rudolph around to secure a lower draft pick. If Rodgers stinks or gets hurt, I'd like to see Allar get a shot. Nobody thought Ben was ready as a rookie.
 
Everyone is fixated on QB2,3,4 while Aaron is flying under the radar. I have barely seen any info on Rodgers. Has he looked good in camp? I know they won't cut him, but is a declining Rodgers with -5 mobility still better than Mason? I don't think Mason is the answer, but with our line and the way Rodgers moved last year it's concerning.
The arm is still there, he still doesn't want to get hit, he still probably won't throw over the middle, and his depth of target will still probably be one of the lowest in the league. At least that's what I've seen some analysts saying in recent days.
 
Everyone is fixated on QB2,3,4 while Aaron is flying under the radar. I have barely seen any info on Rodgers. Has he looked good in camp? I know they won't cut him, but is a declining Rodgers with -5 mobility still better than Mason? I don't think Mason is the answer, but with our line and the way Rodgers moved last year it's concerning.
Mason is the answer to "Who's our worst QB?"

I get that the thinking is keeping Mason as backup in case Aaron goes down, but at that point, season is essentially lost. We all know what Mason brings to the table, and it aint much. I'd rather see us turn to Howard or Allar if Aaron goes down anyway.

Decades ago, some team had a hotshot QB get injured and turned to their first round QB to save them. Can't recall how he did, and am not suggesting either Howard or Allar will have the same results, but we know what will happen with Mason at QB- .500 ball.
 
Mason is the answer to "Who's our worst QB?"

I get that the thinking is keeping Mason as backup in case Aaron goes down, but at that point, season is essentially lost. We all know what Mason brings to the table, and it aint much. I'd rather see us turn to Howard or Allar if Aaron goes down anyway.

Decades ago, some team had a hotshot QB get injured and turned to their first round QB to save them. Can't recall how he did, and am not suggesting either Howard or Allar will have the same results, but we know what will happen with Mason at QB- .500 ball.
Steelers should start Allar against the Bills and take a glimpse- a look.

My thought process next year is they will need to bring in competition regardless. Hell he could still win the start(s) who knows. I still think they have to get that look. So they can see progression or the lack there of.
 
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