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That division will be interesting
Zeke to Pats, Cook to Jets
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I think the Jets get the better of the two additions. As AR will keep the attention towards him...
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Strange sign for Jets. They have Breece Hall and Michael Carter. Rookie Israel Abanikanda looks really good in preseason. They've said Breece Hall is expected to be ready for week 1 from his ACL but maybe not.
Yeah, you have to think Hall will not be ready for a few weeks since otherwise, the combination of Hall and Carter is absolutely enough to generate a very good running game/3rd down contingent.
My interest in this revolves around the rb market and what long term decisions they make around Najee next off season.
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Jets are stacked this year. Hall was averaging 5.8 ypc last year behind a struggling line and Dalvin cook has been one of the top 5 RB in the league for most of his career, and he's on a prove it 1 year deal.
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Please do NOT over pay him or try to change the RB market with his salary.
He hasn’t shown “special” enough talent to merit phenomenal pay raise.
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At this point no chance. If this season is good to great I would consider reworking the market where they get a committed Najee Harris through the 2026 season at a price that can work for both in terms of the realistic RB landscape. ie he gets sone good guarenteed cash but his Ave salary works for team.
What Aaron Rodgers wants, Aaron Rodgers gets, I guess… Its obvious some of their free agent targets were with Rodgers in mind, Like Boyle and Lazard… Cook and Rodgers are chummy… and the Jets are trying to go all in right now.
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If Najee is the same ole Najee or slightly improved version the question you have is how much you pay Warren. Najee hasn't been a camp standout, no buzz, the only time we've heard his name are due to his talk on RB pay. Not good
I'd say if he is going to be anything very special we will see in the first third of the season. If he isn't I'd look at increasing Warren's volume. If there is no drop off he could be your guy.
Could be, but I wonder about his durability. Can he handle carry the ball 250 times and catching 40 passes? Not so sure.
I think this is the issue with all backs and the reason why they are a disposable commodity and the whole issue of Running back pay I'm general.
I think Harris has made it clear he can handle 250+ carries and 40 receptions. Warren has not and his body type makes me wonder if he can.
Harris is scheduled to make about 2.4 million next year. He could have his option picked up and maybe a tag put on him for 2026. But they have already played that game with Bell. What I'm wondering is what would the number be to bridge Najee to 2026 that keeps him happy and not making business decisions. Not unlike the bridge deal DJ got. Najee has to understand the reality of the RB landscape and his is not getting DJs exact deal.
7% of the cap, 4 years. Thats typical rb money.
The 2024 cap will be about 256 million
The 2025 cap will be around 282 million
so assuming they feel he is a star after this year, I would offer 18 million per with around 35 to 40 million guaranteed and a roster bonus in year 3.
That would be a discount rate if he was a star.
If he is just a good back, id offer 15 mil per…
Frankly most of this could be formulated with algorithms lol.
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I agree here in this that Najee has proven the load.
Warren hasn’t as of yet.
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I agree but this issue is proving workload puts the miles on the tires.
I appreciated Madinsomniac's numbers but there is no way they will pay half of that. I was thinking 6-8 million each 2024 2025, 2026. I think they would rather use him disposable and move on then pay 18.
I appreciated Madinsomniac's numbers but there is no way they will pay half of that. I was thinking 6-8 million each 2024 2025, 2026. I think they would rather use him disposable and move on then pay 18.
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Don't forget that Najee will be 26 going into next season. They likely already have his prime years on his rookie deal.
Najee is a good RB but not a gamebreaker. He's a workhorse. The only thing worse than spending a 1st rounder on a workhorse is giving a big 2nd contract to a workhorse.
Najee is a good RB but not a gamebreaker. He's a workhorse. The only thing worse than spending a 1st rounder on a workhorse is giving a big 2nd contract to a workhorse.
That's kinda what I'm saying. I don't think they should give him big. Just big enough to get the best out of his prime.
I think they will retain him at a high but not star level unless by some chance he isn’t starting…
I get the feeling that barring him just utterly collapsing, the Steelers will try to do him right without resetting the market completely…
Like i said sometimes star rbs can even top 8% of cap, but usually gms target it around 7% and scale down for second tier guys… by 2025, 7% will be like 19 million dollars even like 5% would be like 15 million… so the number will look big.
bell was targeting a contract closer to 9% of the cap. The Steelers offered him like 8%..
Like in perspective the exact same deal they offered Bell proportional to next years cap would have been a bit over 20 million dollars per year…
I don’t think that they will do that for Harris, I think they will pay him more than the 4% they gave willie parker at the time because Parker was a RFA, not a UFA when he signed his contract… he had no leverage….
that would be 10.24 million in next years cap dollar’s.. so based on steelers contract history, expect over that for certain.
With everything going on in the RB market they will definitely offer him a second moderately big but fair deal just because they will be trying to make a statement about taking care of their own or something along those lines.
If you think that they are going to offer under 10 million you don’t understand how they calculate these offers.
Also let’s remember that when Bell was disgruntled, they offered him a contract far larger than I would have at the time and they took harris in the first round, which few of us advocated… they value RBs more than we do. Nobody here will like the deal they give him ..
It will be like the DJ deal… totally fair but people will think that it is an overpayment…
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Pending this year’s production 15mil for three yrs would be very acceptable.
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Bell was the most productive RB in league history (129 scrimmage yards per game) and the teams 2nd best receiver. Najee is not a top 10 RB or even close. Apples to oranges.
How many RB in the league are more inefficient than Harris under 3.8 ypc?
I would not be surprised if Xavian Valladay the UDFA outplayed Najee this year.
Harris has played so many games and has such a high percentage of bad tape I would not pay him, if he's the same old Najee they wasted enough time on the guy already.
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Harris is one of the least productive starters, including others that play behind bad offensive lines. Worst yards above expected among qualifiers and a rare starter averaging under 4.0 YPC. I can't figure out why he has so many defenders or why there are so many excuses made. Running backs need to be instant impact players given the short career span and Harris has been not much more than a volume producer so far.
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Alot of sports fans wear the rose color homer glasses to the point of delusion. Every team has fans like this, they either don't know what they are talking talking about or they just outright lie to themselves. I am not an argumentative person by nature I just call what I see and don't argue with someone without facts or statistics.
People argued Mendenhall was the next great Steeler stud RB and was better than Parker. Juju was a sufficient replacement #1 for Brown, people argued Conner was a better value than and was just as good as Bell, They argued Claypool was a stud #1 that fell to us in the draft. they even called him mapletron. They same fools will die on the same hill with their ridiculous takes like arguing Najee is a stud without a line or coordinator or 10 other BS excuses. Nothing new here.