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Zeke to Pats, Cook to Jets

Zeke is washed up. He has gone steadily downhill since he got his contract. Watched that first hand as i used to live in Dallas until I relocated up north (into enemy territory). He is the perfect example why the running back market is the way it is.
 
livingthrudying said:
Zeke is washed up. He has gone steadily downhill since he got his contract. Watched that first hand as i used to live in Dallas until I relocated up north (into enemy territory). He is the perfect example why the running back market is the way it is.
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Zeke is washed, last year was the worst season in his career he had the same ypc as Harris, and 5 more rushing TD
 
bigben said:
Zeke is washed, last year was the worst season in his career he had the same ypc as Harris, and 5 more rushing TD
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Sorry you dont like Harris, but to take a dig at him when the 2 offenses are not in the same ball park is idiotic. Zeke has been on the decline for a while, but I still think Cook has some gas in the tank
 
LeVeon Bell fell off the edge just as, if not faster than Zeke. After his year off, he showed absolutely nothing.

I just glad the Franchise didn’t bite on his begging plea to be re-hired by them. Would have been a complete waste.


Salute the nation
 
jitter77 said:
Sorry you dont like Harris, but to take a dig at him when the 2 offenses are not in the same ball park is idiotic. Zeke has been on the decline for a while, but I still think Cook has some gas in the tank
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Its not a dig if the stats prove it to be.
Two underperforming RB getting thoroughly outplayed by the Backups?
Analysts, fans and the entire fantasy world has known Pollard>Zeke
Same thing with Warren>Najee
Anyone who watched last year and wants Najee over Warren has worse vision than Harris
 
Drink IRON City said:
LeVeon Bell fell off the edge just as, if not faster than Zeke. After his year off, he showed absolutely nothing.

I just glad the Franchise didn’t bite on his begging plea to be re-hired by them. Would have been a complete waste.


Salute the nation
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Every RB fades fast when its over
 
bigben said:
Its not a dig if the stats prove it to be.
Two underperforming RB getting thoroughly outplayed by the Backups?
Analysts, fans and the entire fantasy world has known Pollard>Zeke
Same thing with Warren>Najee
Anyone who watched last year and wants Najee over Warren has worse vision than Harris
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You are cherry picking a handfull of stats. Najee was injured and had to play in maybe the worst offense in the league at the time. Every defender could just look into the backfield and not even have to worry about back peddling. Couple that w/ the line just not playing well and you get what we saw, poor run game, poor pass game, and just terrible overall. When the steelers decided to commit after the bye Najee, the offense, and the line all looked way better. Its easy for an RB to come into a game and have a few splash plays and he is the next best thing. Najee has shown he can take a beating, Warren is still unknown if he can carry a full load. On the other side Dallas's offense was pretty stacked their defense has usually been the issue. Zeke had like 2-3 yrs of mediocre stats and pollard would often outrush him. Warren is definitely a great change of pace back and a very good backup, and overtime he may show to be better. With a healthy Najee, and improved line, and more weapons Najee has 0 excuse. I think he will need to prove himself in the first few games or he is going to be losing reps. I think Najee is a better all around every down back, but Warren certainly has some potential. Guess we will see in a few weeks
 
jitter77 said:
You are cherry picking a handfull of stats. Najee was injured and had to play in maybe the worst offense in the league at the time. Every defender could just look into the backfield and not even have to worry about back peddling. Couple that w/ the line just not playing well and you get what we saw, poor run game, poor pass game, and just terrible overall. When the steelers decided to commit after the bye Najee, the offense, and the line all looked way better. Its easy for an RB to come into a game and have a few splash plays and he is the next best thing. Najee has shown he can take a beating, Warren is still unknown if he can carry a full load. On the other side Dallas's offense was pretty stacked their defense has usually been the issue. Zeke had like 2-3 yrs of mediocre stats and pollard would often outrush him. Warren is definitely a great change of pace back and a very good backup, and overtime he may show to be better. With a healthy Najee, and improved line, and more weapons Najee has 0 excuse. I think he will need to prove himself in the first few games or he is going to be losing reps. I think Najee is a better all around every down back, but Warren certainly has some potential. Guess we will see in a few weeks
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Yes, he can carry the load, he runs with power, he can break tackles, and has a nasty stiff arm, but I don't think you can say his stats are cherry picked, that's his performance so far and it's been underwhelming. We can say the same about Pickett last year and Diontae Johnson without any TDs. No one was making excuses for them like they do for Najee.

It wasn't the worst offensive line last year and he was only moderately better after the bye week. Other running backs behind bad offensive lines performed better. He doesn't have great vision and the lack of burst really limits big plays. NextGenStats rates him as more of an East-West runner. He ranks near the bottom of qualifying running backs in yards over expected and yards over expected per attempt. He's only taken over a very small handful of games and that's not why they drafted him. He needs to be a guy that dominates games on the ground. I think he'll do more of that this year given his health, boosted offensive line and philosphical approach on running the ball.
 
The line itself might not have been the worst, but it was not the best and the play calling gave no one a chance to do much of anything. After the bye I think we led the league in TOP and drives over so many plays. We were just stalling and kicking FGs. I wouldnt say the begining of the year was excuses. Najee was hurt in camp and should have never played in the pre-season where he made the injury worse. That is on coaching. The play calling didnt let anyone shine or even give guys a chance (QBs, WRs, RBs, OL etc etc.....) Our offense was the worst or one of the worst in the league. It wasnt just an RB behind a bad line, the whole offense had 0 shot to succeed. Mitch was a scapegoat, the WRs were a scapegoat, Najee was blamed, but the failures were mainly on coaching. The start of this year should have 0 excuses unless Canada reverts back to what he was calling last year. I think Najee will be on a pretty short leash (like 3 games) before he starts losing carries if he is not performing
 
jitter77 said:
You are cherry picking a handfull of stats. Najee was injured and had to play in maybe the worst offense in the league at the time. Every defender could just look into the backfield and not even have to worry about back peddling. Couple that w/ the line just not playing well and you get what we saw, poor run game, poor pass game, and just terrible overall. When the steelers decided to commit after the bye Najee, the offense, and the line all looked way better. Its easy for an RB to come into a game and have a few splash plays and he is the next best thing. Najee has shown he can take a beating, Warren is still unknown if he can carry a full load. On the other side Dallas's offense was pretty stacked their defense has usually been the issue. Zeke had like 2-3 yrs of mediocre stats and pollard would often outrush him. Warren is definitely a great change of pace back and a very good backup, and overtime he may show to be better. With a healthy Najee, and improved line, and more weapons Najee has 0 excuse. I think he will need to prove himself in the first few games or he is going to be losing reps. I think Najee is a better all around every down back, but Warren certainly has some potential. Guess we will see in a few weeks
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What stats do you have that support you're case?
I am not cherry picking any stats, they all look bad for Najee. I bet you cannot come up with 1 stat that favors Harris.
There isn't one.
Fact is Warren was on the field with the same O-line, same coordinators and he was better in every aspect, by every metric. Rushing and receiving.
This is not my opinion on Najee vs Warren just the facts.
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Najee had almost 200 more carries than Warren. It is not a good comparison. Warren only carried the ball 77 times and if you go by stats is 2x more likely to fumble than Najee. You are also negating the fact that Najee had a injury to start the year.
 
jitter77 said:
Najee had almost 200 more carries than Warren. It is not a good comparison. Warren only carried the ball 77 times and if you go by stats is 2x more likely to fumble than Najee. You are also negating the fact that Najee had a injury to start the year.
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Harris had poor ypc his rookie year also, almost 600 carries into a career 3.9 is terrible especially for a 1st round pick.
So every other stat in the world besides fumbling I cherry picked? OK
 
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