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I'd be intersted in the Myles Garrett trade offer packages.

When a guy is like that it's called addition by subtraction. You really can't win with a guy like that.

Agreed. Move him while they can v get something for him.

With the draft being in piss in 2026, would not surprise me if you trade him after the draft for 2026 compensation
 
Agreed. Move him while they can v get something for him.

With the draft being in piss in 2026, would not surprise me if you trade him after the draft for 2026 compensation
They wouod need something immediately. They will get their bones picked on this one because he's been a first class arsehole. But what are you gonna do. Watch it another year and then let him walk. Or worse actually give him a long term deal.
 
Money is certainly important, but it is not the end all be all for some guys. Some guys are loyal to the team. Some might have friends / family they don't want to uproot. There are also businesses and outside ventures that some people don't want to move. As long as guys are being paid fairly there are other reasons for sticking around. I think some guys would take a cut to goto a winning team while others would goto a terrible team for an extra $1
 
Omar has to be one of the most frustrated guys in the building. No matter what that man gives Tomlin and that bunch of maladroit imbeciles, the players will be handicapped by conservative play designs and Tomlin's abhorrence for using the middle 3rd of the field. You could time travel to 1976 like Bill and Ted, pack the entire Steelers team into that phone booth, deliver them to Mike Tomlin and he'd find a way to go 10-7. It's useless, pointless, and unavailing to believe that anything other than aborting Tomlin and his congress of fetuses will solve anything, let alone trading away TJ for bleak future.
Julian Edelman spells it out for those who still don't get it. We are basically a predictable joke in the NFL.

 
When a guy is like that it's called addition by subtraction. You really can't win with a guy like that.
I don't think we win with or without him. With this offensive scheme....

But if we move him....we then need to sign another Vet as our #1. Then we have to sign another. Or we will be right where we were last year. Now if some team wants to throw out some crazy offer I move him.....but what you stated I doubt we move him.

Of course we just signed some 6'-8" TE. Maybe we don't need more than one real WR. 🤔
 
They wouod need something immediately. They will get their bones picked on this one because he's been a first class arsehole. But what are you gonna do. Watch it another year and then let him walk. Or worse actually give him a long term deal.
Trade him during training camp after you see how your other investments at the position look
 
Omar has to be one of the most frustrated guys in the building. No matter what that man gives Tomlin and that bunch of maladroit imbeciles, the players will be handicapped by conservative play designs and Tomlin's abhorrence for using the middle 3rd of the field. You could time travel to 1976 like Bill and Ted, pack the entire Steelers team into that phone booth, deliver them to Mike Tomlin and he'd find a way to go 10-7. It's useless, pointless, and unavailing to believe that anything other than aborting Tomlin and his congress of fetuses will solve anything, let alone trading away TJ for bleak future.
This.

I’ve been following the team seriously for 30 years and this year for the 1st time it hits so hard that free agency, the draft, personnel moves in the offseason etc. are all but irrelevant because Tomlin will waste them in his outdated system and lead them to his ceiling of a 1st round playoff beat down loss
 
This.

I’ve been following the team seriously for 30 years and this year for the 1st time it hits so hard that free agency, the draft, personnel moves in the offseason etc. are all but irrelevant because Tomlin will waste them in his outdated system and lead them to his ceiling of a 1st round playoff beat down loss
Can't even blame Tomlin really anymore. It all goes back to Rooney.
 
For the record I do not think Pickens will be a Steeler come Draft day maybe even start of FA. Not sure the market. Hoping a second maybe a third worst. Then grab one of the FA's like Higgins to replace his numbers and then use a day one or two pick and you have a significantly better wr room without the ridiculous behavior.

We are not getting Higgins, no way we trade draft collateral and pay his contract demand

For a 3rd you let GP play out his deal and take the comp pick. No way he leaves for less than a 2nd imo

He’s a prime candidate for play out final year then see what comp pick he gives.

And the WR room won’t be better without him, maybe less dramatic but also much less talented

Put 2 “nice guys” out there like Van and Skowronek and watch the 9 man boxes entirely shut the offense down. I’m highly doubtful any free agent receivers are wanting to come to this abysmal Tomlin scheme that doesn’t even have a QB rostered other than Skylar Thompson.

Not that it matters as this team is just doing doughnuts down in a ditch
 
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The FA WR market might be worse than the FA QB market. The top two guys are likely to be tagged, and then you have a bunch of older vets on the clear downswing of their careers.

Diggs is 31, coming off a serious injury
Allen is 32, nothing close to what he once was
Cooper is 31, see above
Godwin is 29, likely to be tagged AND is coming off injury
Cooks is 32, lost his speed
Hopkins is 33

After that, you're really reaching. Trading Pickens leaves you WAY worse off and creates an even bigger hole. The only way you trade Pickens away is if you're going full rebuild mode. And you know Rooney will never admit or allow that, so it's patch work to get that 9-10 wins.
 
We are not getting Higgins, no way we trade draft collateral and pay his contract demand

For a 3rd you let GP play out his deal and take the comp pick. No way he leaves for less than a 2nd imo

He’s a prime candidate for play out final year then see what comp pick he gives.

And the WR room won’t be better without him, maybe less dramatic but also much less talented

Put 2 “nice guys” out there like Van and Skowronek and watch the 9 man boxes entirely shut the offense down. I’m highly doubtful any free agent receivers are wanting to come to this abysmal Tomlin scheme that doesn’t even have a QB rostered other than Skylar Thompson.

Not that it matters as this team is just doing doughnuts down in a ditch
Yeah....I don't see us moving him for a 2nd. Maybe a 1st depending how high it is and even then I don't know. We probably simply extend him.
 
I’m highly doubtful any free agent receivers are wanting to come to this abysmal Tomlin scheme that doesn’t even have a QB rostered other than Skylar Thompson.

Not that it matters as this team is just doing doughnuts down in a ditch

I think FA's period. They need to have a deal/player to announce during the negotiation period. If they don't have a QB ready the first day of FA, they are going to lose out on any potential FA they had their eyes on. The longer this goes on, the worse it looks. We're gonna have to be the Jags and over pay for below average players.
 
I think FA's period. They need to have a deal/player to announce during the negotiation period. If they don't have a QB ready the first day of FA, they are going to lose out on any potential FA they had their eyes on. The longer this goes on, the worse it looks. We're gonna have to be the Jags and over pay for below average players.

All the guys are either old with a lotta wear on the tires or likely the type of guys that will sign cheap 1 year prove it deals

If you’re a WR looking to prove something with your numbers are ya coming to Pittsburgh?

If the receiver is dumb enough to answer that question with a yes his intelligence must be questioned or he is truly a desperate guy.

If we’re looking to find ourselves on a creek without a paddle we’re definitely checking the boxes.
 
Money is certainly important, but it is not the end all be all for some guys. Some guys are loyal to the team. Some might have friends / family they don't want to uproot. There are also businesses and outside ventures that some people don't want to move. As long as guys are being paid fairly there are other reasons for sticking around. I think some guys would take a cut to goto a winning team while others would goto a terrible team for an extra $1
The FA WR market might be worse than the FA QB market. The top two guys are likely to be tagged, and then you have a bunch of older vets on the clear downswing of their careers.

Diggs is 31, coming off a serious injury
Allen is 32, nothing close to what he once was
Cooper is 31, see above
Godwin is 29, likely to be tagged AND is coming off injury
Cooks is 32, lost his speed
Hopkins is 33

After that, you're really reaching. Trading Pickens leaves you WAY worse off and creates an even bigger hole. The only way you trade Pickens away is if you're going full rebuild mode. And you know Rooney will never admit or allow that, so it's patch work to get that 9-10 wins.
Cooks seems like he has been on 10 different teams lately and hasn't done anything. Hopkins was not good in KC and you could argue JuJu looked better. Diggs and Allen have had big declines. Cooper is just a guy at this point. Godwin might be the best of the bunch, but I'm not sure how much of an upgrade over CAIII he is at this point. I do think we need upgrades at WR but I don't think it's the main issue. If we ran a proper offense and used the various weapons we have I don't think our WR would look that bad
 
If you trade Pickens, the WR room is worse. You have to get something proven and as good, or keep him.

Obviously talk to him about an extension to what he thinks the value should be. Work from there but know you will need to replace him sooner than later.

His lame duck year would cost very little but also realize he would know he has to put up numb ers to get the big payday he desires.

Could end up with the same round comp pick as to what he was drafted in.


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Cooks seems like he has been on 10 different teams lately and hasn't done anything. Hopkins was not good in KC and you could argue JuJu looked better. Diggs and Allen have had big declines. Cooper is just a guy at this point. Godwin might be the best of the bunch, but I'm not sure how much of an upgrade over CAIII he is at this point. I do think we need upgrades at WR but I don't think it's the main issue. If we ran a proper offense and used the various weapons we have I don't think our WR would look that bad

I disagree to a point. If we ran a proper offense, I think Pickens would look every bit of the superstar that he is capable of, but Van Jefferson would still look the same. He simply isn't a WR2. Austin might be a 3, but I don't even think he's a true slot guy. He lacks the quickness needed. He's fast, but not elite fast, but he isn't shifty at all. That is why I would invest heavily in the draft, taking a WR in the 2nd round, and maybe another later. Tre Harris, Savion Williams, Jayden Higgins, Jalen Royals, Isiah Bond, Ayomanor...some should be available at our pick in the second.
 
Keeping Pickens just sends a real ****** message. And his antics are on full display. You just can't have that.
The Pickens issues, like those with AB, Bryant, Claypuff, etc.....all show that management's decision making in drafting or in player development is lacking.
Which #1 WR of the past decade was not a problem?
The real issues are either getting trade value to establish replacement at WR1, or culture to fix WR attitudes. Neither seems likely.
 
The Pickens issues, like those with AB, Bryant, Claypuff, etc.....all show that management's decision making in drafting or in player development is lacking.
Which #1 WR of the past decade was not a problem?
The real issues are either getting trade value to establish replacement at WR1, or culture to fix WR attitudes. Neither seems likely.
They get 1st round talent in 2, 3rd, later. You can get lucky.....you can. But most of the time every team new the talent. And every team knew the issues.
 
Keeping Pickens just sends a real ****** message. And his antics are on full display. You just can't have that.
Thing is the WR market isn’t great. So you would have to trade him and recoup a WR in the draft.

Is that an option? Sure.

Will the Steelers pull the trigger?

Probably not.

Why? They are delusional they think they can win with Mike so they won’t farm sell the team. Even if that is what they should do. Stock up on the future that would really be the right move. Which is why it won’t happen.

While we are on the O subject let us talk about why the QB signed won’t be Fields. They don’t believe in him. They didn’t believe in him when he was a starter and they didn’t believe in him when the team slumped. So despite any rumors or any fan clamoring the offseason of Justin being signed as a starter, which is what his conditions would be. Is slim first name very.
 
The FA WR market might be worse than the FA QB market. The top two guys are likely to be tagged, and then you have a bunch of older vets on the clear downswing of their careers.

Diggs is 31, coming off a serious injury
Allen is 32, nothing close to what he once was
Cooper is 31, see above
Godwin is 29, likely to be tagged AND is coming off injury
Cooks is 32, lost his speed
Hopkins is 33

After that, you're really reaching. Trading Pickens leaves you WAY worse off and creates an even bigger hole. The only way you trade Pickens away is if you're going full rebuild mode. And you know Rooney will never admit or allow that, so it's patch work to get that 9-10 wins.
That's why we trade a later pick for Kirk.
 
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