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Tariffs

16. No more student visas to Chinese nationals. They're duty when they come here is to steal technology.

I would simply seize all Chinese assets in the U.S. as reparations for Covid. Every other nation should do the same, frankly.


two simple points:
- is the technology stolen actually covered by global patents?
- what if the Covid lab leak came from a place funded by the US, and that lab used technology developed (maybe at a place like Duke) and transferred from the US to China for creation of same?
 
We get it, you hate Trump's economic policies. You seem to be in the minority though.

I happen to believe he is not going far enough

1. Confiscate all property owned in the US by China
2. Confiscate all businesses owned in the US by China
3. Cancel all debt with China (as they did to us after WW2)
4. Close the borders between Mexico and Canada to all trade until they remove ALL BARRIERS to "free trade". No limiting quotas, no impediments of any kind.
5. End all taxes levied at the Federal level and implement a fair (percentage to be determined) Federal "Sales" Tax
6. Exempt all transactions for basic necessities, medical expenses, Child and adult care, 2nd hand/used purchases, and maybe a few others I can't think of right now
7. End all foreign "Aid"
8. Recall all Military assets to the US mainland or her territories, unless the host country is willing to foot the expense of deploying them 100%
9. Withdraw from the UN, and kick them out of the US
10. Reduce our membership in NATO to simply a minor contributing member, we also step back from any leadership role.
11. Withdraw from the WHO
12. Implement a National ID for all citizens. This will link to Social Security, Drivers License, Passports, etc.
13. Different National ID for all individuals allowed to reside in the US. This link to Drivers License, Non-resident tax programs, legal data bases and DNA libraries
13. ALL FEDERAL elections will require paper ballots (can be processed by machine WITHOUT connection to any off site networks) National ID (No need to register to vote)

I FULLY understand that I may very well be in the minority on these points
Your emerging manifesto goes far beyond the topics in this Tariff thread; I'd suggest a new thread for discussion and for others to add/edit as Ron did.

ex. #11 WHO withdrawl initiated:
 
He ran on this approach. He promised this approach since 2022. He adopted a significant part of this approach his first term.

The idea that "you guys" think this is some surprise is laughable.

I personally wish he would stick to the proposed tariffs. When he proposes the tariffs, you freak out. When he does what your ilk want - soften the tariff threat - you chastise him.
I didn’t chastise him. I said I’m glad he came to his senses. Numerous times. Meanwhile you guys can’t admit his original approach was a near-disastrous mistake. Even though he basically has, by reversing it.
 
So, what's your plan? Just sayin'
I'm not President of the United States. Nor an economist. I just read a lot. My plan would probably look something like cutting the corporate tax rate, tax incentives for locating manufacturing here, surgical tariffs on certain well-studied well-thought out products that we can make here cost-effectively and that it makes sense to make here from a necessity/national security standpoint. That would be more products than we put tariffs on now, but would never be every single product from almost every country in the world. Because some cheap products from other countries actually HELP US manufacturers more than hurt them. To be more specific I'd have to do a lot more study but thankfully there are plenty of really bright, well-educated people in this world who could figure out the details and not just blurt out the first thing that comes to their mind causing global markets panic and immediate inflation.
 

So Opec is upping production despite a price drop in oil.
This is sign one the US is going to win this.

Oil availability has driven economies more than anything else and it has been criminally controlled by the Opec cartel for ages... but most of those opec countries economies are solely based on oil... so breaking them was never going to be hard...
however both parties are so in bed with them they always balked at doing anything to upset them...

If oil prices come down, all prices come down...
 
You are making stuff up. First, not "every single product" is subject to tariffs. Second, the price increase passed on to consumers is never 100%. The seller eats some of the cost increase and depending on the market and the number of suppliers available, may eat as much as 50%. Third, the small price increase in a limited number of items is nothing compared to the rampant true inflation the past 4 years wrought on the economy.

The tariff price increases will be offset long-term by vastly reduced deficit spending and the buying of debt (i.e., printing of trillions of dollars of unbacked currency) that results in genuine inflation of 5% or more.

The panic about tariffs is just another "Orange Man Bad" propaganda point. Russian collusion, oligarchy, traitor, gutting critical Fed spending like circumcisions for Kenyans, Putin's puppet, tariff ruin the world's economy. All a bunch of garbage. I can't believe anybody still falls for this ****.



Tell me some of the other brilliant points these same economists made about the wonders of NAFTA and "free trade" and open markets and the importance of immigration to feed the labor market and the benefits of deficit spending. Anybody who still follows the globalist mantra is a fool.

To repeat - **** the world economy. I would prefer to make American 100% isolationist. Boot out the illegals, make our goods at home, harvest our energy resources, and sell our goods to foreign nations who want to buy. No more wars, no more American troops overseas, no more hundreds of billions shipped off for "foreign aid," i.e., money laundering, no more freebies to the 3rd world (time to take care of yourselves), no more interventionist policies or regime changes.

Tariffs on foreign goods to boost Federal revenues and protect American businesses. American consumers pay 5% more on some products. We build products here. We rely on nobody else.

Watch the world come begging at our door for access to America's consumers. They need our business; we don't need their cheap knock-off ****.
We don't have the labor force or the access to all of the raw materials to ever do that. Let me know when your children, nieces and nephews want to quit their tech or finance jobs and go work in a cobalt or lithium mine.

It's a nice little fantasy though.
 
We don't have the labor force or the access to all of the raw materials to ever do that. Let me know when your children, nieces and nephews want to quit their tech or finance jobs and go work in a cobalt or lithium mine.

It's a nice little fantasy though.
It would be interesting to know what percentage of college graduates are actually working in a career that they got their degree in. For decades kids in this country have been programmed that they must go to college in order to be something in life, while high schools eliminated vo-tech programs.

I suspect that there are quite a few working retail in one form or another today, a situation that was far from their dream when graduating high school.

If there is incentive to work any job, pay and benefits, they will come. What does the average tech get paid these days?
 
It would be interesting to know what percentage of college graduates are actually working in a career that they got their degree in. For decades kids in this country have been programmed that they must go to college in order to be something in life, while high schools eliminated vo-tech programs.

I suspect that there are quite a few working retail in one form or another today, a situation that was far from their dream when graduating high school.

If there is incentive to work any job, pay and benefits, they will come. What does the average tech get paid these days?
There is currently a labor shortage in many skilled labor jobs that pay more than retail. My hubby's in the energy business, electricity linemen make over $100,000/year plus benefits, but the workforce is retiring and they can't fill the jobs. My brother's in commercial construction, same thing.

Yes, lots of college grads are not in jobs they got their degrees in. That doesn't mean they want to go into skilled labor though.
 
Another random thought without any basis of fact, but I would suspect that this country consumes more "stuff" than any country on the planet.
This means that exporting countries need us more than we need them. Again, what do I know.

So, my solution to all of this is for everyone to look around at all the stuff that you've accumulated and ask yourself why?

Maybe learning to live simpler is the answer.
 
There is currently a labor shortage in many skilled labor jobs that pay more than retail. My hubby's in the energy business, electricity linemen make over $100,000/year plus benefits, but the workforce is retiring and they can't fill the jobs. My brother's in commercial construction, same thing.

Yes, lots of college grads are not in jobs they got their degrees in. That doesn't mean they want to go into skilled labor though.
And that is the fault of our school system and stigmatizing honest work as a career.
You may be right, the current college graduates may look down their nose a manual labor, thinking it's beneath them while earning $12 an hour ringing a cash register.
 
And that is the fault of our school system and stigmatizing honest work as a career.
You may be right, the current college graduates may look down their nose a manual labor, thinking it's beneath them while earning $12 an hour ringing a cash register.
Whatever it's the fault of is beside the point. People work retail jobs for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it's a stopgap measure. Sometimes they are still students. Sometimes it's part time in addition to another job. Most people who work continuously over a lifetime don't stay in $12.00/hour jobs forever.
 

So Opec is upping production despite a price drop in oil.
This is sign one the US is going to win this.

Oil availability has driven economies more than anything else and it has been criminally controlled by the Opec cartel for ages... but most of those opec countries economies are solely based on oil... so breaking them was never going to be hard...
however both parties are so in bed with them they always balked at doing anything to upset them...

If oil prices come down, all prices come down...
I'm wondering if their motivator is to circumvent demand for domestic drilling. Once the environmental movement is back in office, foreign production will go down again and very little if any domestic production will happen.
 

Americans want more U.S. factory jobs—as long as they don’t have to work them​

And this right here is why we are where we are. Everyone wants the riches, few have the desire to actually earn it.

"I want to make $100,000 a year as long as I don't have to work for it." Explains so m any young people debasing themselves on OF and other social media. It's easy money. You completely lose yourself and your soul but it's easy money.

This is how great empires die.
 
And this right here is why we are where we are. Everyone wants the riches, few have the desire to actually earn it.

"I want to make $100,000 a year as long as I don't have to work for it." Explains so m any young people debasing themselves on OF and other social media. It's easy money. You completely lose yourself and your soul but it's easy money.

This is how great empires die.
Only fans and other sex work aside, working in social media is a pretty sweet gig if you can get it.

Manufacturing can be with hard, physical, and/or boring work where you can make decent money but your long term earning potential is pretty limited. Can't blame people for wanting to do easier, more creative, or more pleasant work that has more potential upside if they can find it.

I'm not sure why manufacturing is so glorified, few of us grew up or raised our children with dreams of one day working in a factory. I'm sure there are people who love it and make a decent living at it. That doesn't mean it's going to be the solution to all of this country's quality of life issues.
 
We don't have the labor force or the access to all of the raw materials to ever do that. Let me know when your children, nieces and nephews want to quit their tech or finance jobs and go work in a cobalt or lithium mine.

It's a nice little fantasy though.
We can just bring them hear to work.
That is what legal immigration has always been for.
 
BTW I started in retail out of college and worked my way up to managing a multimillion dollar store. Didn't get rich of course, but made a decent living before I popped out my kids.
 
We can just bring them hear to work.
That is what legal immigration has always been for.
W tried to implement a guest worker program, the unions weren't going to allow that to happen. Maybe there would be more of an appetite for it now, who knows. The point is we don't currently have what we need to move large swaths of manufacturing back to this country. Hence, businesses won't do it unless there are big financial incentives to do it. Are there potential solutions? Maybe. But they are structural issues that will take decades if not generations to move.

And would kind of defeat the purpose if the idea of all this is to bring back good middle class jobs.
 
W tried to implement a guest worker program, the unions weren't going to allow that to happen. Maybe there would be more of an appetite for it now, who knows. The point is we don't currently have what we need to move large swaths of manufacturing back to this country. Hence, businesses won't do it unless there are big financial incentives to do it. Are there potential solutions? Maybe. But they are structural issues that will take decades if not generations to move.

And would kind of defeat the purpose if the idea of all this is to bring back good middle class jobs.


Eh the jobs themselves are inconsequential... its the access to the products that are key

Most manufacturing jobs will be automated soon. The ones that arent will mostly end up in Mexico and Canada, who still have a ton of unaffected free trade deals that wont have tariffs... but that will keep a lot of immigrants in Mexico and not needing to come here for work... meaning it will be easier to control the flow of people coming in for the right reasons rather than just earning money and sending it out of the country...

Moreover, though, we wont be as reliant on other countries for much of the critical machinery and tech we have outsourced the past 30 years... if a war with China or Russia broke out, we wouldnt be screwed if the bulk of the products are north American based rather than in china or otherwise overseas and needing to be moved over the ocean... our biggest imports are now heavy machinery and tech...
 

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Honda considers switching some car production to US from Mexico, Canada, Nikkei reports
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TOKYO (Reuters) -Honda is considering switching some car production from Mexico and Canada to the United States, aiming for 90% of cars sold in the country to be made locally in response to new U.S. auto tariffs, the Nikkei newspaper reported on Tuesday.

Japan's second-biggest automaker by sales plans to increase U.S. vehicle production by as much as 30% over two to three years in response to U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to put a 25% levy on imported vehicles, Nikkei said.


Honda declined to comment, saying the information was not announced by the company.

In the weeks before the new U.S. levy went into effect, Reuters had already reported that Honda plans to make its next-generation Civic hybrid in the U.S. state of Indiana, instead of Mexico, to avoid potential tariffs.

The U.S. was Honda's biggest market last year, accounting for nearly 40% of global sales. The automaker sold 1.4 million vehicles, including Acura models, in the U.S. last year. It imported about two-fifths of those cars from Canada or Mexico.

Canadian federal Innovation Minister Anita Anand said on social media network X that Honda has "communicated that no such production decisions affecting Canadian operations have been made," adding that she would be meeting with the CEO of Honda Canada.

Honda posted a 5% rise in U.S. sales to almost 352,000 vehicles in the first three months of this year.

The company will move production of the CR-V SUV from Canada to the U.S. and that of the HR-V SUV from Mexico to the world's biggest economy, according to Nikkei.

To increase output, Honda is considering hiring more U.S. workers, the newspaper said. Such a step would make it possible for Honda to switch to a three-shift system from two-shift work and extend production to weekends, Nikkei added.
 

MARKETS LIVE BLOG

STOCKS ADVANCE AS INVESTORS ASSESS LATEST TRUMP TARIFF MOVES

Reuters
Honda considers switching some car production to US from Mexico, Canada, Nikkei reports
2376cb852bbb2315c89776db36e14ca6

Bangkok International Motor Show · Reuters
Reuters
2 min read


TOKYO (Reuters) -Honda is considering switching some car production from Mexico and Canada to the United States, aiming for 90% of cars sold in the country to be made locally in response to new U.S. auto tariffs, the Nikkei newspaper reported on Tuesday.

Japan's second-biggest automaker by sales plans to increase U.S. vehicle production by as much as 30% over two to three years in response to U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to put a 25% levy on imported vehicles, Nikkei said.


Honda declined to comment, saying the information was not announced by the company.

In the weeks before the new U.S. levy went into effect, Reuters had already reported that Honda plans to make its next-generation Civic hybrid in the U.S. state of Indiana, instead of Mexico, to avoid potential tariffs.

The U.S. was Honda's biggest market last year, accounting for nearly 40% of global sales. The automaker sold 1.4 million vehicles, including Acura models, in the U.S. last year. It imported about two-fifths of those cars from Canada or Mexico.

Canadian federal Innovation Minister Anita Anand said on social media network X that Honda has "communicated that no such production decisions affecting Canadian operations have been made," adding that she would be meeting with the CEO of Honda Canada.

Honda posted a 5% rise in U.S. sales to almost 352,000 vehicles in the first three months of this year.

The company will move production of the CR-V SUV from Canada to the U.S. and that of the HR-V SUV from Mexico to the world's biggest economy, according to Nikkei.

To increase output, Honda is considering hiring more U.S. workers, the newspaper said. Such a step would make it possible for Honda to switch to a three-shift system from two-shift work and extend production to weekends, Nikkei added.

its from Canada's state run news, but does include this line from an actual Japanese article:

"According to the Nekkei report, Honda is aiming for 90 per cent of cars sold in the U.S. to be made locally. Honda will examine cutting back on the number of cars exported from the U.S. to Canada and will gradually shift toward local production, the report said.

The company is looking to increase production in the U.S. by up to 30 per cent over two to three years, the newspaper said. "


Will that help US trade surplus???????
 

its from Canada's state run news, but does include this line from an actual Japanese article:

"According to the Nekkei report, Honda is aiming for 90 per cent of cars sold in the U.S. to be made locally. Honda will examine cutting back on the number of cars exported from the U.S. to Canada and will gradually shift toward local production, the report said.

The company is looking to increase production in the U.S. by up to 30 per cent over two to three years, the newspaper said. "


Will that help US trade surplus???????
Local production is the best case for both countries.
 
Local production is the best case for both countries.
For America maybe, but without being able to export cars from Canada to the US, it would likely not be financially feasible in Canada. If a car company could make it with just domestic Canadian sales, they would already have Canadian car companies manufacturing cars for the general population. The production they do have are all specialized niche market vehicles. Maybe they could morph a company or two to make up the vacuum created.
 
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