Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

[slashsteel]

This site would have a melt down if the first time he touches the ball he goes 50+ yards with a TD

how bout the first time he is injured or fumbles?

(stirring pot)

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

Well at least this isn't a 50 plus page about our first round pick like last year!!
they must be listening to us on the boards more.
So this year we got two 1st a 5th and a 2nd
in the first four rounds pretty dam good.
It's like we traded our third to move up in the first.
got to ***** about something

 

[TMC]

So Bryant and his 2, 10, and 2 kick returns and 0 punt returns but can return kicks and maybe punts. Archer who on a team who returned 9 punts last year only has 6 career returns is a "kick returner only". Yep, I see the logic there...

I was simply using your obvious logic. I mean, Archer is a returner and you obviously think he can be a punt returner....didn't you say this:

Yes, I have heard the same BS that Archer "can't" return punts. But I also know the Steelers(and other teams) took Archer outside on a cold windy *** day after his pro day and had him field punts.

So, you stated that because you THINK he cannot return punts and is a kick returner only? BULLSHIT. You won't sack up and say it, but you think he is some all-world return specialist even given his floor as several guys that return kicks AND punts and do so very well. You believe that to your core. Yet, Bryant is a WR only. **** that he returned kickoffs in college. **** on the idea he returned kicks and punts in high school. He cannot do it. WR only. Archer though, is everything. The floor of an elite return guy and the ceiling of an all world specialist that just eats up offenses with his specialized plays. But, no ******* way could he spit the football up a few times in the preseason, find his way to the damn bench, and be out of the NFL without having ANY type of impact. Nope, never could that happen. In fact, you stated he had a better floor than ANY player left in the draft, even those injured players that were considered fringe first rounders that will heal. But Bryant is a WR only. LMAO. Spin it any way you like.

Ok, you think his ceiling is McCluster. Of course Reggie Dunn was an UDFA so we had nothing invested in him. Rainey got in legal troubles that's why he's a colt.

Why does it matter where they were drafted? A failed player is a failed player. If you want to discuss draft value, then his "value", which is a return specialist, is no greater than any other "specialist" like a kicker or punter. If he cannot give you offensive snaps, he should be viewed like Sepulveda. Period. If you think that is worth a 3rd, I cannot help you. I guess the Raiders really needed a FG kicker when they took Janikowski too.......

And, I am very sure that it was just Rainey's legal troubles that derailed his meteoric rise to the elite levels of the NFL. Not like NFL teams, or the Rooneys, have overlooked someone with a sketchy character issue before.....maybe if he were a QB.....

Yes, his floor is a package specialist, return guy. His ceiling is a Tavon Austin type weapon. I'd have been fine with Thomas also. But he's a 49er not a steeler so I'm not focusing on him.

Nope, his floor is a guy who picks the splinters out his *** for a year or two while he eats a roster spot. How could you have been fine with Austin when the better player on the board, according to you, was easily Archer?

I was using Blount as an example as a late round/UDFA RB that became productive. Not like I said a guy with a total of 14 kick returns would be a great kick returner but a guy that was on a team that barely returned punts couldn't because he didn't have a bunch of punt returns.

Again, who gives a **** where they come from? And, no, you did not say a guy with 14 total kick returns would be a great kick returner, you allude to a guy with 6 piss poor punt returns that fielded some balls in shorts on a windy day being a punt returner....because running around in the wind and catching balls is so similar to doing it with 11-guys running 4.55 down the field and trying to kill you.

But, does not change the FACT that Bryant did return kicks in college and did it all through high school. Does not change that a damn bit. But, in order to push Archer up, have to drag Bryant down and degrade his skills.....because Archer's skills just fail to measure up, well, unless he stands on a couple phone books.

 

[TMC]

Nope, his high is the ******* love-child of Barry Sanders, Devin Hester, Dante Hall, Wes Welker and Darren Sproles.

That would be your high....which appears to be LSD laced.

Surely TMC is already preparing his mea culpa regarding Archer as well.

I have no problem stating I am wrong. I said it with various players. The funny thing, a couple drafts ago, fought this same fight with three players that draft, they were Mike Adams, Sean Spence, and Chris Rainey. My argument against Adams was he was a character risk and lacked the feet to play LT. My argument with Spence was he lacked the bulk and frame to play inside and I thought he would get injured. My argument against Rainey was his size, durability, and fumbles (those sound familiar).

If Archer makes it, I'll be the first to state I was wrong. You ever wonder how many people that hammered my *** on those three have ever nutted up? You won't need a clicker to count them.

And people ask me why I post less and less........maybe it is because everyone damn sure wants to hold me accountable but few have the sack to hold themselves to the same standards.

 

[Superman]

I have no problem stating I am wrong. I said it with various players. The funny thing, a couple drafts ago, fought this same fight with three players that draft, they were Mike Adams, Sean Spence, and Chris Rainey. My argument against Adams was he was a character risk and lacked the feet to play LT. My argument with Spence was he lacked the bulk and frame to play inside and I thought he would get injured. My argument against Rainey was his size, durability, and fumbles (those sound familiar).

yep. I recall that like it was yesterday (wormhole and all).
"TMC was berated on here. Adams played at Ohio State against great competition. Spence showed he could play at the University of Miami. Rainey was electric at Florida"

Thus far, Adams has to platoon with Gilbert to play RT. Given that the board has considered Timmons a bust since he had to be moved to a different position, then that logic should be adequately and abundantly applied to Adams.
Spence ... we all know his story.
Rainey's done and gone.

Thus far, TMC is batting 2 for 2 on those summations.

As long as I've been posting here, when TMC is wrong (and he is wrong a lot - his wife tells me), he mans up and admits it.
Though he puts in a **** ton of time and effort, I see him being right more often than not, though I tend to try to skip over his homerisms involving South Carolina players.

oh, TMC, eat some fruit next time. Thanks.

~ spits. wipes chin ~

 

[TMC]

I see him being right more often than not

But I am not. I am wrong way more than I am right. It is the nature of the beast. You just have to accept it and move on. I hope like hell I am wrong on Archer. I truly do. Otherwise, we just flushed a top 100 pick in a draft that many feel was the deepest in a couple decades. That hurts this team.

But, the Steelers are behind the curve in doing some things, like using analytics and metrics in their draft analysis. I am not stating it is the end-all of the debate, but it helps keep you off the players that are statistical outliers, meaning they lack the physical traits of the larger majority of natural NFL players. In essence, the probability of success with those players are slim.

When the Steelers step to the plate, they need to utilize everything possible to help them make that swing count, not picking the littlest bat and sending up the slowest runner with the worst batting average.

 

[Punxsutawney]

I'll just say that I'm simply amazed at the extent a third round draft pick could generate such contention among SN.

I realistically view the Archer pick as a disaster, but personally hope he is Devin Hester 2.0.


The problem I have is that it reflects of a "luxury" pick at a time when the Steelers cannot afford it.

 

[Steelerfan]

And there it is. Should have taken the over at 60

 

[TAS]

But I am not. I am wrong way more than I am right. It is the nature of the beast. You just have to accept it and move on. I hope like hell I am wrong on Archer. I truly do. Otherwise, we just flushed a top 100 pick in a draft that many feel was the deepest in a couple decades. That hurts this team.

But, the Steelers are behind the curve in doing some things, like using analytics and metrics in their draft analysis. I am not stating it is the end-all of the debate, but it helps keep you off the players that are statistical outliers, meaning they lack the physical traits of the larger majority of natural NFL players. In essence, the probability of success with those players are slim.

When the Steelers step to the plate, they need to utilize everything possible to help them make that swing count, not picking the littlest bat and sending up the slowest runner with the worst batting average.

When our head coach doesn't know when to go for two what should our expectations be?

 

[Punxsutawney]

When our head coach doesn't know when to go for two what should our expectations be?

Much below the line special Olympic participants hope for?

 

[keslerclan]

I have no problem stating I am wrong. I said it with various players. The funny thing, a couple drafts ago, fought this same fight with three players that draft, they were Mike Adams, Sean Spence, and Chris Rainey. My argument against Adams was he was a character risk and lacked the feet to play LT. My argument with Spence was he lacked the bulk and frame to play inside and I thought he would get injured. My argument against Rainey was his size, durability, and fumbles (those sound familiar).

If Archer makes it, I'll be the first to state I was wrong. You ever wonder how many people that hammered my *** on those three have ever nutted up? You won't need a clicker to count them.

And people ask me why I post less and less........maybe it is because everyone damn sure wants to hold me accountable but few have the sack to hold themselves to the same standards.

Hey TMC, never had the experience with the 3 mentioned BUT I do remember going back and forth over Poe a few years back. I didn't think his limited success at his small school made him comparable to the unrivaled success Hampton had at UT. I was wrong. He actually looks better in the NFL than CH did his first few years AND while I seem to recall "nutting-up" a while back, we have NO evidence as such because this is a 'new, old board'. (click)

Don't ever let the argument come before your allegiance to your work. I like that you have the conviction you do about your evals. We went back and forth on the Archer kid as well BUT I NEVER expect either of us would take it personally. (it's all good here) I'd hate for ANY good poster to leave as evidenced by the sheer misery we were all experiencing with the board down. I don't even mind the 'know-it-all' pinheads...in fact, I like them better than the "detached fans" that come here and don't have anything to add other than thinking a player (who left years ago) is still on the team.

 

[Drink IRON City]

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Salute the nation

 

[Atlsteelers]

Archer will be certainly the most debated player on the team this year.

Can't wait for him to prove all the doubters wrong.

By the way he is a Steeler now. Call me old fashion but I think we should all root for him as long as he is wearing the black and gold.

 

[Hineswardkickedurpanzyass]

Archer will be certainly the most debated player on the team this year.

Can't wait for him to prove all the doubters wrong.

By the way he is a Steeler now. Call me old fashion but I think we should all root for him as long as he is wearing the black and gold.

I think we have all stated that we will cheer for him and hope that he turns out to be a gamechanger.....until he gets broken in half

 

[Idioteque]

Archer will be certainly the most debated player on the team this year.

Can't wait for him to prove all the doubters wrong.

By the way he is a Steeler now. Call me old fashion but I think we should all root for him as long as he is wearing the black and gold.

Thanks. I was actually rooting against the guy.

 

[Atlanta Joe]

I'm hoping that both archer and Johnny Football tear up the preseason. Then, our opener with the Brownies could be the most highly anticipated contest of Week 1. Could also be the last of this matchup given the small size of both JFK and Archer.

 

[Wingman]

I was one that was glad we got Adams in the second. Prior to his drop many of the draft weenies on the networks had us taking him in the first. Last year he was damaged from being stabbed it seemed the year before he was doing fine at right tackle, many thought better than Gilbert. I was hoping for a left tackle out of him, this year is I think the year we find out if it is possible in the pros. Beachum was a surprise simply because he fell to what the 7th round and was playing at a decent level. I was also hoping one of the better tackles would fall to us at 15 but it was not to be.

Trading the third round pick last year really hurt us for this years draft, I think there were still two steeler type tight ends available. One possibility would have been Seastrunk or another back instead of archer as we could have used another good back.

 

[Tibs]

That would be your high....which appears to be LSD laced.

LOL, take it easy man, I was just goofing around. This thread seemed to be heading into the abyss. Didn't mean to piss you off....kinda forgot we had a half-serious debate going on about Archer...my bad.

I have no problem stating I am wrong....And people ask me why I post less and less........maybe it is because everyone damn sure wants to hold me accountable but few have the sack to hold themselves to the same standards.

Again, TMC I'm a huge fan of everything you do, I hope I didn't get under your skin. By no means was I calling you out. The last 10-15 pages were getting increasingly Monty Python-esque, I was just having a little fun.

Having said that, I think you and I hashed out our differences on Archer - like 30-40 pages ago. I see your point(s) and respectfully disagree on Archer. I have zero issues with you and really look forward to your posts. Cheers, Tibs

 

[slashsteel]

That would be your high....which appears to be LSD laced.



I have no problem stating I am wrong. I said it with various players. The funny thing, a couple drafts ago, fought this same fight with three players that draft, they were Mike Adams, Sean Spence, and Chris Rainey. My argument against Adams was he was a character risk and lacked the feet to play LT. My argument with Spence was he lacked the bulk and frame to play inside and I thought he would get injured. My argument against Rainey was his size, durability, and fumbles (those sound familiar).

If Archer makes it, I'll be the first to state I was wrong. You ever wonder how many people that hammered my *** on those three have ever nutted up? You won't need a clicker to count them.

And people ask me why I post less and less........maybe it is because everyone damn sure wants to hold me accountable but few have the sack to hold themselves to the same standards.

nothing for nothing. Nobody here will be right all the time. You owe nobody to be accountable for anything you write. Do not let the few outweigh the majorities enjoyment of what you bring to the board.

You have great insight the majority know it, do not let again a few detour you into posting less............

 

[Stryker]

I'm not worried about Dri's punt returning or lack there of. The team has showed a commitment in getting him more comfortable to return puts in the NFL, and in situations where Punts are kicked inside the 20, in the past, we have relied on our Vets to return those punts (Holmes, Sanders, Moore, Brown) as opposed to allowing the younger player, with less experience, to go and make a high pressure catch under duress. Personally, I think this role will still be Brown's to go fair catch balls for us inside the 20. In the open field with a longer punt, you sure as **** but Dri back there. With any space and one guy missing, he's going to be DAMN tough to bring down in the open field.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

no takers??

63 pages- over/under?

 

[Superman]

no takers??

63 pages- over/under?

63 pages?

sure.

Jarvis Jones and Lawrence Timmons vs Mike Adams and Dri Archer on a goal-line drill...who ya got?

 

[t-man]

63 pages?

sure.

Jarvis Jones and Lawrence Timmons vs Mike Adams and Dri Archer on a goal-line drill...who ya got?

I want the option for Jason Gildon!

 

[Superman]

I want the option for Jason Gildon!

hold your horses. we'll get there. can't make sudden movements, you know. we have to coax the squirrels, not scare them off.

 

[TMC]

Just for the record, I am not pissed. Tired, but not pissed. Just need to sleep soon.......