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Deebo Goes Scorched Earth on Tomlin..the things you suspected: Arrogant, Petty, etc. You Are Correct.

I've been saying for the last 8 years that the team is fatally flawed. That's been Tomlin. His end should have came 10 years ago.

It is what it is.

Harrison is saying the same things I've been saying and noticing for many years. And I'm just an outsider looking in. I just have a long memory.

I'm personally going to close that chapter,because it serves no future purpose to spend too much energy on that past. It's a wrap and in the can.

Bring us football professors who check their pride and egos at the door.


The next HC has his plate full and he hasn't even been hired yet. Change good or bad almost always comes with pain.
 
topseed said:
You have to respect what Harrison said about LeBeau and Butler making him the best player he could be. Haden can't even remember the name of his last DB coach in Pittsburgh...how sad is that? And the philosophic change defensively after Tomlin got rid of Dick speaks for itself.

I thought it was good insight from a guy who is able to articulate the differences between Tomlin and Cowher, having played for both of them. A lot of the dudes singing Tomlin's praises currently have never played for another head coach.
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And Harrison made that clear in the video. Haden has a completely different perspective(he came from the Browns for God's sake...) of what it takes to build championship teams. A warped perspective, he never saw what Harrison saw as far as Cowher and Co. Vs. Tomlin and Co. when it comes to team development, drafting, player roster position and schemes.

Tomlin also engages in self sabotage to stroke his ego by having scapegoats as far as coordinators and assistants go. He brought in the most inept people and I am sure now after learning what I've learned it was so that he could have CYA heads to roll...if you will. Then you have his own lack of Xs and Os ability... how proportional each aspect of those two things are to " his body of work" we will never know as the media come gold jacket time will engage in the same nut hugging with him that Brady, Bellichick, etc. get.

I hear all these other team's fans wanting Tomlin...I say have at it hoss, see where it gets you.
 
Djfan said:
"We playing tic-tac-toe, because the other guys see it."

Right. It sucks when other teams can tell what is up just by a glance at the line up.

Tomlin never got this.

"I'm cleaning house to" to get rid of the stink of Tomlin. Significant.

Deebo needs to let Hayden talk. He interrupts him constantly.

"I don't want teachers. I want professors of the game." This
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CoolieMan said:
I'm not saying anything harrison says is inaccurate

but a guy who left with bad feelings toward the team is going to have a slanted viewpoint of everything related to the team
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While this may be the case, in the stadium, at the Rats game, several present players and some former players were prominent in between play, pump up the crowd video shorts.

Deebo was by far the most frequent and the most popular.

So the Steelers still want to both utilize this former player's influence with fans AND given the 50 + great former Steelers, the team chose him above all the rest.

That means, at least to me, that the Steelers have given THEIR MIC to Deebo.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I think he can analyze why the Steelers are better off without reading personal texts.
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Tomlin called him F'd up....I think that's something about Tomlin's character worth sharing. That and the fact that Harrison clearly pointed out how right before practice Mikey was wasting his time listening to "noise."

The irony that without Harrison's 100+ yard TD return in SB 43 we wouldn't even have the phrase " He won a SB with Cowher's team" to say....
 
Steelr4evr said:
I've been saying for the last 8 years that the team is fatally flawed. That's been Tomlin. His end should have came 10 years ago.

It is what it is.

Harrison is saying the same things I've been saying and noticing for many years. And I'm just an outsider looking in. I just have a long memory.

I'm personally going to close that chapter,because it serves no future purpose to spend too much energy on that past. It's a wrap and in the can.

Bring us football professors who check their pride and egos at the door.


The next HC has his plate full and he hasn't even been hired yet. Change good or bad almost always comes with pain.
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It just doesn’t fall on Mike to be fair. Rooney gets plenty of blame. Hell even to date they are slow to the gate and aren’t thorough enough with their process of a new head coach and having an open mind on the approach.

I still would prefer Rooney to step down. He is holding this team back.
 
slashsteel said:
It just doesn’t fall on Mike to be fair. Rooney gets plenty of blame. Hell even to date they are slow to the gate and aren’t thorough enough with their process of a new head coach and having an open mind on the approach.

I still would prefer Rooney to step down. He is holding this team back.
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Oh the owner gets the blame as well. If he treated the team like they had nothing in the trophy case, you'd have a different approach.
 
Once I heard it in some video somewhere, the comparison just can't be more correct:

Mike Tomlin is just Doc Rivers with bigger eyes. Rivers won his championship the same year as Tomlin (2008) and has somehow milked that into making people think he is a good coach. Some people think Doc is like a top-15 coach in the NBA (just like Tomlin).

But you look past the media hype, there is NOTHING. Doc has done jack **** the last 15 years. Just like Tomlin.

I'm done bashing Tomlin now. He sucked and I know it deep down how bad he really was and I will never be convinced otherwise. His "chapter" of Steelers history literally made me quit football.

I'm back because he is finally gone. And I can't wait for whatever next chapter this organization has to offer. It will never be as bad as the last 10 years were. Never.

I just hope, because this worry exists deep inside me, that the problem really isn't Art Rooney II. But even he is 73 and I suspect Daniel is going to take over in the next decade (unless the owner transition to his 4 kids gets very ugly).

I'm just happy right now and I am going to milk that feeling without letting the rot from the past influence anything moving forward. I am all about the future and if I ever start talking about Tomlin and the last 10 years around here too much, you remind me again to let it go.
 
Gildong Sack said:
Tomlin called him F'd up....I think that's something about Tomlin's character worth sharing. That and the fact that Harrison clearly pointed out how right before practice Mikey was wasting his time listening to "noise."

The irony that without Harrison's 100+ yard TD return in SB 43 we wouldn't even have the phrase " He won a SB with Cowher's team" to say....
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I think there is all kind of on field criticisms of Tomlin that are fair game. The outside noise thing is bullshit. We all know they hear comments. Reading an angry text exchange is a ***** thing to do to make a fairly unimportant point. You could read it all over Haden's face. I bet there are ton's of texts Tomlin could read from players including Harrison that would paint them in a bad light.
 
deljzc said:
Once I heard it in some video somewhere, the comparison just can't be more correct:

Mike Tomlin is just Doc Rivers with bigger eyes. Rivers won his championship the same year as Tomlin (2008) and has somehow milked that into making people think he is a good coach. Some people think Doc is like a top-15 coach in the NBA (just like Tomlin).

But you look past the media hype, there is NOTHING. Doc has done jack **** the last 15 years. Just like Tomlin.

I'm done bashing Tomlin now. He sucked and I know it deep down how bad he really was and I will never be convinced otherwise. His "chapter" of Steelers history literally made me quit football.

I'm back because he is finally gone. And I can't wait for whatever next chapter this organization has to offer. It will never be as bad as the last 10 years were. Never.

I just hope, because this worry exists deep inside me, that the problem really isn't Art Rooney II. But even he is 73 and I suspect Daniel is going to take over in the next decade (unless the owner transition to his 4 kids gets very ugly).

I'm just happy right now and I am going to milk that feeling without letting the rot from the past influence anything moving forward. I am all about the future and if I ever start talking about Tomlin and the last 10 years around here too much, you remind me again to let it go.
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I am glad you are back, he had me about to take time off. I was locked into just the draft. Then a great day happened!
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I think there is all kind of on field criticisms of Tomlin that are fair game. The outside noise thing is bullshit. We all know they hear comments. Reading an angry text exchange is a ***** thing to do to make a fairly unimportant point. You could read it all over Haden's face. I bet there are ton's of texts Tomlin could read from players including Harrison that would paint them in a bad light.
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I appreciate what you are saying, but I disagree about what Harrison disclosed. It was a very important point. And that is that Mikey was upset over Harrison saying Bellichick was better.

It's a petty childish move from Tomlin to even text Deebo over that, and confirmed many of our suspicions. Nothing like real transparency, I've heard enough Emperor's New Clothes stories about Tomlin that didn't jive with what came out of his mouth so I for one am glad Deebo is enlightening us.

"Our relationship was business. It was just that, it was business," Harrison said. "The number one thing I was taught by my parents is you never lie to me, because if you lie to me, I can't help you. And then I can't trust you. The first time I know he lied to me was 2010. But the big thing was the first time I know he lied on me, and that was 2013. As much as he says he doesn't listen to the outside noise, I found that to be a lie in 2018."

"[Tomlin} was into his feelings, Joe. Because I said that [Bill] Belichick was a better coach than him. ... He responded with something like, '[LaMarr] Woodley was a smarter player than you."

Harrison then described the profanity-filled texting exchange between Tomlin and himself that took place, another example he argued proved that Tomlin did in fact listen to the outside noise.

 
slashsteel said:
It just doesn’t fall on Mike to be fair. Rooney gets plenty of blame. Hell even to date they are slow to the gate and aren’t thorough enough with their process of a new head coach and having an open mind on the approach.

I still would prefer Rooney to step down. He is holding this team back.
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Gospel. Sleepy Potato needs to go as well.
 
Gildong Sack said:
I appreciate what you are saying, but I disagree about what Harrison disclosed. It was a very important point. And that is that Mikey was upset over Harrison saying Bellichick was better.

It's a petty childish move from Tomlin to even text Deebo over that, and confirmed many of our suspicions. Nothing like real transparency, I've heard enough Emperor's New Clothes stories about Tomlin that didn't jive with what came out of his mouth so I for one am glad Deebo is enlightening us.

"Our relationship was business. It was just that, it was business," Harrison said. "The number one thing I was taught by my parents is you never lie to me, because if you lie to me, I can't help you. And then I can't trust you. The first time I know he lied to me was 2010. But the big thing was the first time I know he lied on me, and that was 2013. As much as he says he doesn't listen to the outside noise, I found that to be a lie in 2018."

"[Tomlin} was into his feelings, Joe. Because I said that [Bill] Belichick was a better coach than him. ... He responded with something like, '[LaMarr] Woodley was a smarter player than you."

Harrison then described the profanity-filled texting exchange between Tomlin and himself that took place, another example he argued proved that Tomlin did in fact listen to the outside noise.

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Very important to what important narrative? He's done. Move on. Nothing more to see. Onward and upward. And BTW. Debo is burning some bridges with the organization that is his post career cash cow by airing dirty laundry in this manner.
 
This is just like when Brown told everyone Brady was the best QB he ever caught passes from.

It may be true, even as obvious as it may have been. You never give them a cheap headline at the expense of a dude you went to war with. A guy who helped you make a career.

Have some class, be smart enough to realize the media just trying to stir up drama for clicks.

Love Deebo but I hate the pettiness.

Low class move to bring it up now. You don't kick a man when he's down.
 
bigben said:
This is just like when Brown told everyone Brady was the best QB he ever caught passes from.

It may be true, even as obvious as it may have been. You never give them a cheap headline at the expense of a dude you went to war with. A guy who helped you make a career.

Have some class, be smart enough to realize the media just trying to stir up drama for clicks.

Love Deebo but I hate the pettiness.

Low class move to bring it up now. You don't kick a man when he's down.
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You do realize AB was going to be AB wherever he went right? As long as you had a good QB.
When you look at Ben's numbers AB had a lot to do with that.
 
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