1st 3rd Round Pick allar

[WindyCitySteel]

I don’t think you can blame or credit Big Game James for all of Allar’s shortcomings or successes, but I believe he was a contributing factor. Allar needs to get out of his own head and play. Do that, Fix up his mechanics and he could be the next 12 year QB for the Steelers. Or he could end the next stiff Cliff. It’s ultimately up to him.

There were definitely "issues", tho...

https://x.com/Steelers_DB/status/2048379668881883291?s=20

 

[FordFairLane]

Former PSU teammate Landon Tengwall breaks down Allar. Interesting watch:

Yeah overall Allar has good mechanics but he definitely has had some head scratching moments where he gets off his mark or throws off his back foot. But at the combine they looked extremely clean. I mean you could really tell he had been working with someone. Lets get him in town and start working with him!

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Howard at KSU was not a full time starter. So yeah, heckuva junp from apples to oranges.
In any event, let me say this one more time for those who can’t seem to get it. I don’t think either Howard or Allar is the answer. Love to be wrong about one or both. However, our “real” QB1 has not left the college (maybe HS) ranks.

That last line is just plain mean

Our next QB can’t currently be in HS or lotsa heads need to be rolling

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Big M didn’t show much magic in his prime. What leads you to believe that he possesses some QB whisperer acumen now? Is it because he’s 100 years old or weighs 600lbs?

why are you here?

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I find it interesting that some of y'all bring up Howard as if I'm going to defend him like I have some schoolboy crush. Nah, I don't have that syndrome like others do for Allar. As I stated previously. I don't think either of them are the answer. I hope they both prove me wrong. As far as weapons, they'll both have decent ones with the Steelers. Let's see what they can or can't do with them.

As a UGA fan I wouldn’t have felt like Beck was some sort of savior, so I get it. As a diehard fan you definitely see the warts on your QBs. It is strange how many PSU fans want to overlook Allar’s warts.

Beck is likely a better pro than Allar, but I’m definitely happier with the Howard/Allar combo than if Beck were part of the QB room (I’m not sure how that even makes sense lol)

I definitely wouldn’t have been defending Beck, maybe it’s that oh so punchable face of his…can’t explain it. Maybe it’s the Miami taint on him?

I know this…I’m firmly in the someone under 30 club for our next starting QB

I’d love for the absolute “problem” of having Howard and Allar both look so good that the decision is very hard for MM. The dream scenario

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

And this is exactly why you take shots at QBs and surround them with talent. Maybe you find one who clicks within a system and elevates their game with the talent around them. Ben Roethlisbergers and Josh Allens aren’t exactly falling off trees.

And even then Ben had a lot of talent around him when he entered the league - his rookie year he had 2 first team all pros, a second team all pro and two pro bowlers (2 of whom are now hall of famers) on offense as well as four pro bowlers on defense (incl 3 first/second team all pros). Can't recall who was All Pro but the All Pro/Pro Bowlers were Faneca (OG), Smith (OT), Hartings (OC), Bettis (RB) and Ward (WR).

On his podcast Ben himself has made the point that he benefited from being surrounded by talent in his early years, and believes the Steelers should do the same now.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Franklin had the right idea to go all-in in 2025, he just brought in the wrong personnel (and misused what was already there). As you say, Knowles was a bad fit from day one. I think you're imagining that Smith "forced" his coordinators to do anything. I know for a fact that Kotelnicki's offensive philosophy did not change. Smith had more faith in Kaytron Allen, Kobe Howard, and Andrew Rappleyea than Franklin did...that's about it.

You can't keep making excuses for Allar against Villanova, bro. It's embarrassing. He sucked in that game, period. Again, I have no other choice but to root for him now that he's a Steeler -- we'll all find out for sure if you and the others blaming Franklin for Allar's poor performances have a legitimate claim. I hope you do, but I doubt it.

Terry Smith didn't change the Kotalniki offense, it's more like he made him go past page 2 of the playbook. There were more quick throws, more vertical throws. Playing Rappleyea made a difference. The RB rotation made more sense.

Allar had some bad throws vs Villanova and some good ones. I keep bringing that game up because against an FCS team, Penn State should have guys getting wide open and they weren't really. Even an FCS team knew what was coming and had no fear of PSU receivers.

Allar might be a bust. He has bad habits. But he said that McCarthy grilled him at the combine and the steelers had him in for another pre draft visit. Reportedly, Allar impressed with his answers on the whiteboards.

I'd give Allar no shot of developing under Tomlin, but with McCarthy, I like his chances. Aaron Rodgers took years to develop. Rodgers coach at Cal insisted he hold the ball by his ear, old school. They had to redo his release. He sat for 2 years and didn;t light it up immediately. McCarthy did a good job with Dak in Dallas as well.

Allar has the size, the arm, the smarts. I just hope they can get his nerve back because it feels like Franklin coached him not to make mistakes rather than to make plays. It's not all Franklin's fault, but he was a big part.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Here's the Villanova game. He hit the wide open throws (mainly to TEs). Threw a few bad balls. Some drops. He also had some great throws in tight windows.

But the main point is even against an FCS team, the WRs are barely open. The completions to WR are contested or tackled almost immediately.

 

[Chadman]

Here's the Villanova game. He hit the wide open throws (mainly to TEs). Threw a few bad balls. Some drops. He also had some great throws in tight windows.

But the main point is even against an FCS team, the WRs are barely open. The completions to WR are contested or tackled almost immediately.

At 2:29 I think I just witnessed the crispest WR route I've ever been exposed to......

 

[topseed]

Terry Smith didn't change the Kotalniki offense, it's more like he made him go past page 2 of the playbook. There were more quick throws, more vertical throws. Playing Rappleyea made a difference. The RB rotation made more sense.

Maybe you just remember more vertical throws being successful later in the season. Perhaps it's just that the #2 guy, after playing a few games, started executing the offense better than Allar did.

Allar had some bad throws vs Villanova and some good ones. I keep bringing that game up because against an FCS team, Penn State should have guys getting wide open and they weren't really. Even an FCS team knew what was coming and had no fear of PSU receivers.

What I see in that Villanova tape is erratic QB play, despite having all day to throw. All day. And several more mechanically shltty passes off of his back foot, like he's had his entire career.

Allar might be a bust. He has bad habits. But he said that McCarthy grilled him at the combine and the steelers had him in for another pre draft visit. Reportedly, Allar impressed with his answers on the whiteboards.

I'd give Allar no shot of developing under Tomlin, but with McCarthy, I like his chances. Aaron Rodgers took years to develop. Rodgers coach at Cal insisted he hold the ball by his ear, old school. They had to redo his release. He sat for 2 years and didn;t light it up immediately. McCarthy did a good job with Dak in Dallas as well.

Allar has the size, the arm, the smarts. I just hope they can get his nerve back because it feels like Franklin coached him not to make mistakes rather than to make plays. It's not all Franklin's fault, but he was a big part.

Allar has the prototypical size and arm, I'll give you that. Smarts? He's certainly not unintelligent, but even you must admit that he lacked a high football IQ when making some of his poor decisions in the biggest moments of the most important games. Can McCarthy fix that? I guess we can all hope so.

 

[steel dino]

Here's Howard against ND in the national championship. Note all the guys wide freaking open. Howard also missed a wide open TD to Tate and had an INT erased by a good play by Henderson.



For direct comparison, here's Allar vs the same ND defense 1 game earlier. Penn State WRs had zero receptions. He misses a few throws, but nobody but Warren and RBs can get open.

Nice work man..
Interesting comparison..
And I do agree…Allar did miss a few throws, including an easy touchdown pas

 

[Steeltime]

At 2:29 I think I just witnessed the crispest WR route I've ever been exposed to......

That route dominated in Canada!

 

[Chadman]

That route dominated in Canada!

Pretty sure it's called the Post Out Route.

Head toward the post until you run out of the field of play.

 

[steel dino]

I was not in favor of drafting a quarterback this year, especially one early as the third round pick..

But looking behind the curtain a little bit, it’s an interesting fact that Drew Allar grew up as a Cleveland Browns fan…

And last time the Steelers drafted a quarterback that grew up as a Cleveland Browns fan…. I think it worked out pretty good.

 

[Coryea]

Simple, Penn St fans will over look his warts, PSU haters will call every single one of them out, that's just how it is at all the big schools.

Fact is we don't have a franchise QB, it's going on year 5 where we started the season with a different QB, bring as many potential young guys as we can, I don't care where they went to school, if Allar and Howard suck, at least we know, and that puts us in the top half of next years draft. Allar and Howard seem to have all the physical tools, I'm just sick of seeing us bring in all these retreads in here at the most important position.

 

[slashsteel]

Simple, Penn St fans will over look his warts, PSU haters will call every single one of them out, that's just how it is at all the big schools.

Fact is we don't have a franchise QB, it's going on year 5 where we started the season with a different QB, bring as many potential young guys as we can, I don't care where they went to school, if Allar and Howard suck, at least we know, and that puts us in the top half of next years draft. Allar and Howard seem to have all the physical tools, I'm just sick of seeing us bring in all these retreads in here at the most important position.

Can’t get a hit without swinging.

Hey batter batter.

 

[Steel Maniac]

And If Rooney won’t allow Khan to use multiple draft picks to go up in the draft to get a better grade of QB, then Rooney is going to have to let the team bottom out one season to be in position to get one. That’s how today’s NFL seems to be working.

Hoping to find a Dak Prescott or Brock Purdy is even more of a crap shoot. I’m hoping Howard or Allar pan out but I won’t be surprised if they don’t.

 

[Coryea]

And If Rooney won’t allow Khan to use multiple draft picks to go up in the draft to get a better grade of QB, then Rooney is going to have to let the team bottom out one season to be in position to get one. That’s how today’s NFL seems to be working.

Hoping to find a Dak Prescott or Brock Purdy is even more of a crap shoot. I’m hoping Howard or Allar pan out but I won’t be surprised if they don’t.

I am glad they didn't trade up for Ty Simpson.

 

[jitter77]

I hope I am wrong about Allar, I just feel a potential NFL franchise QB should be able to elevate his college team especially against the weaker schools. I get PSU didn't have great WRs and I can blame that on Allar struggling against Oregon, OSU, ND, etc etc, but i find it hard to believe that PSUs WRs were not better than div II guys or some of the low end teams PSU plays. Allar did not excel in those games either

 

[maowv]

The NFL's history is full of first round QB prospects labeled as "can't miss" and they missed, some badly. Ryan Leaf comes to mind.

The NFL's history also has a bunch of later round QB who had great careers. Tom Brady, Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach, Rich Gannon, Brock Purdy, etc.

Anything's possible so I'm hoping that either Will Howard or Drew Allar take the opportunity in front of them and make something of it. They both have the physical size and tools to be there or they wouldn't be there.

Get to work boys. Your future is in your hands. Make something of it.

 

[TDX27]

Sure Allar has his issues, but he did have poor WR's, poor blocking, and terrible play calling and coaching for his entire college career. The play calling was pretty much the same, short throws and avoiding the middle of the field nonsense as the Steelers have been using since Ben retired. Jitter77 mentioned the low-end teams they played, and I thought the same thing, but Allar wasn't throwing it much, and even the running game took multiple games to get moving in his senior year. Franklin was a good recruiter but a terrible coach.

I'm not saying he is great or will even be good in the NFL, but I sure do want to see him with a better supporting cast and working in a real offense.

That's why I still think they should let Rodgers walk and have Howard and Allar battle for QB1 and QB2. Whoever wins QB1 should be given at least half a season before they even contemplate pulling him for poor play. The Steelers made this bed, and they need to lie in it. Let's see what Howard and Allar can do in the NFL.

 

[i_just_dont_care]

Howard at KSU was not a full time starter. So yeah, heckuva junp from apples to oranges.

He wasn’t? I watched a decent amount of that team. In 2023, he was the primary starter. Unless he was injured or it was special sub-package, he was playing. In the other cases, it may have been Avery Johnson. Before that, he split time with Martinez.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

You have zero idea

 

[Drink IRON City]

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Simple, Penn St fans will over look his warts, PSU haters will call every single one of them out, that's just how it is at all the big schools.

Fact is we don't have a franchise QB, it's going on year 5 where we started the season with a different QB, bring as many potential young guys as we can, I don't care where they went to school, if Allar and Howard suck, at least we know, and that puts us in the top half of next years draft. Allar and Howard seem to have all the physical tools, I'm just sick of seeing us bring in all these retreads in here at the most important position.

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[Drink IRON City]

Can’t get a hit without swinging.

Hey batter batter.

In my Boxing days, I got hit without swinging............



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