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Iran

ZonaBurgh said:
I'm not sure that I would trust either of them, but would give Sarge some credence given his personal experience.
My all expenses 12 month vacation to SE Asia was over 50 years ago, since then the furthest I've been outside US border has been Cancun, where I knew not to wander too far off the beach.
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Look, Israel isn’t the good guys. Just because they’ve owned just about every US president the last 60 years to the point we call them our greatest ally means jack. They are not our friends. They use us as a means to an end. And we send them taxpayer money to do it. Look at how many people in our government have dual citizenship with Israel and use that to influence policy. It’s ridiculous.
 
Sarge said:
Look, Israel isn’t the good guys. Just because they’ve owned just about every US president the last 60 years to the point we call them our greatest ally means jack. They are not our friends. They use us as a means to an end. And we send them taxpayer money to do it. Look at how many people in our government have dual citizenship with Israel and use that to influence policy. It’s ridiculous.
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Sarge..
Sounds like every other nation to me..

At least they help us militarily though..
 
Sarge said:
Look, Israel isn’t the good guys. Just because they’ve owned just about every US president the last 60 years to the point we call them our greatest ally means jack. They are not our friends. They use us as a means to an end. And we send them taxpayer money to do it. Look at how many people in our government have dual citizenship with Israel and use that to influence policy. It’s ridiculous.
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I don’t often disagree with you Sarge but I will here. Israel is a modern democratic society in the midst of a region of radical oppressive ideology that wants to obliterate it. We aren’t just fighting Israel’s battles, they’re fighting ours and the rest of the modern civilized world’s.
 
With the ceasefire on the verge of total collapse following major military escalations in the Strait of Hormuz and the region today, and given we're 66 days into the Iran War, how is everyone feeling about it?

I've been reading about how woefully under-reported the damage has been to US bases in the region. Why is this information being kept from the public?

Reports indicate that at least 16 U.S. installations across eight countries have sustained significant damage, with some facilities described as "virtually unusable." Strikes have targeted "bottleneck" equipment that is extremely expensive and difficult to replace. This includes advanced radar systems linked to THAAD missile batteries and Boeing E-3 Sentry surveillance aircraft, with one aircraft alone valued at roughly $500 million. In bases across Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia, Iranian missiles and drones have reportedly flattened hangars, destroyed runways, and knocked out critical satellite communication "ray domes". Due to the severity of the strikes, the majority of U.S. troops have reportedly evacuated traditional base positions, with many operating from more secure, decentralized locations like hotels and apartments.
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Tibs said:
With the ceasefire on the verge of total collapse following major military escalations in the Strait of Hormuz and the region today, and given we're 66 days into the Iran War, how is everyone feeling about it?

I've been reading about how woefully under-reported the damage has been to US bases in the region. Why is this information being kept from the public?
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I think that the Iranians are aware that they stand no chance in unfettered bombing, so they work out a cease fire that they know they will completely ignore, thus getting reestablished with the fragments they still have.

Trump is playing it to get the local countries to go into Iran instead of us, and is also weighing the options of allowing the IROR to remain or not.
 
Tibs said:
With the ceasefire on the verge of total collapse following major military escalations in the Strait of Hormuz and the region today, and given we're 66 days into the Iran War, how is everyone feeling about it?

I've been reading about how woefully under-reported the damage has been to US bases in the region. Why is this information being kept from the public?
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There is nothing to report, there is no war according to Trump. I don't know about the base damage, but the one aircraft you mentioned I talked about earlier. It was on a base in Saudi Arabia and supposedly we only had 8 I think it was in total.
We were told we wiped out the nuclear capabilities months ago, and now all the sudden they were supposed to be an imminent threat. Both these statements can not be true. I think the Iran regime is terrible and don't have a problem taking them out, but that should have been the main goal. If we take out the regime the nuke stuff will sort itself out. I also believe Israel forced us into this by the opportune meeting of the high levels Iranian officials. Right now everything is a mess and I don't see an easy way out of it. Without true regime change Iran will become ground hog day. I think the only way they can do that is with troops, but it would be a massive undertaking. Iran is resilient and seems to have a well trained loyal army. Just the size of Iran would also cause issues. It is about 2.5x the size of Afghanistan. The only other option would be total obliteration which would cause its own set of issues
 
Djfan said:
Trump is playing it to get the local countries to go into Iran instead of us, and is also weighing the options of allowing the IROR to remain or not.
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I don't know, man. I'm not sure what game Trump and Hegseth are playing. There were significant military wins early on but where it stands now, the war seems like a serious strategic miscalculation. We've failed to force Iran to submit to demands on nukes and control over the Strait, while causing serious damage to the U.S. economy. I see no clear exit plan. Trump's disapproval rating is staggering, a record-high of 62%. To boot, 76% of Americans disapprove of his handling of the cost of living. This has turned into a quagmire, one of his own making. The impact it's had on our relations with allies around the world is problematic, to say the least. Seems like a dumb, belligerent move to dive into this, the way we did, following Israel's lead.

I just hope we can find a way out of this mess.
 
Tibs said:
With the ceasefire on the verge of total collapse following major military escalations in the Strait of Hormuz and the region today, and given we're 66 days into the Iran War, how is everyone feeling about it?

I've been reading about how woefully under-reported the damage has been to US bases in the region. Why is this information being kept from the public?
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It was stupid to start with, but we’re in it now. Gotta follow through and finish it.

As far as the “woefully under-reported damage,” it has been minimized to a degree, but nowhere near what the conspiracy theories are claiming. Hell, one news outlet claimed our casualties are in the thousands. I can assure you that is categorically false. It is 13 dead, about 60 wounded, most of them already returned to duty.

I’m going to Kuwait in October. The base I am going to was hit. Once. Destroyed a small building.
 
Sarge said:
I’m going to Kuwait in October. The base I am going to was hit. Once. Destroyed a small building.
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Thanks, Sarge. Stay safe, man.

What I quoted on damage comes from reports like this:

In bases across Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia, Iranian missiles and drones have reportedly flattened hangars, destroyed runways, and knocked out critical satellite communication "ray domes".
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Tibs said:
Thanks, Sarge. Stay safe, man. Any truth to this, in your estimation?
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Don’t know. What I can tell you is that Ali-Al Salem was hit pretty good, destroyed a hangar, a couple maintenance facilities but they are operating normally. Arifjan was hit, but damage was minor. Camp Buerhing took a drone hit that hit nothing but sand. That’s Kuwait.

Everybody saw the video of the radar that was hit.

As far as the rest, I don’t know as I have no friends there. I currently have friends serving in Jordan, Syria and Iraq. They say nothing unusual at this point. Operations are pretty normal in those places from what I understand.
 
Being a simple man myself, opinions on Iran will vary depending on whether one hates or loves the current POTUS.
Those believing Orange Man Bad will get their talking points from Bluesky and the like, and will reflect their mindset.
Those with an opposite take will listen to Fox and Friends believing every word.

I don't think that having gas prices similar to the last administration is causing "serious damage" to the US economy, but just like Biden, they will spike inflation.
How long that will be is anyone's guess, but we need to realize that we're all in this and need to focus on a solution to rid the world of the Iranian Islamic regime, rather than
stage a pisssing contest about who is right. The blockade of the strait is causing more damage to Iran's economy than it is to ours. But that's just my opinion.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Being a simple man myself, opinions on Iran will vary depending on whether one hates or loves the current POTUS.
Those believing Orange Man Bad will get their talking points from Bluesky and the like, and will reflect their mindset.
Those with an opposite take will listen to Fox and Friends believing every word.

I don't think that having gas prices similar to the last administration is causing "serious damage" to the US economy, but just like Biden, they will spike inflation.
How long that will be is anyone's guess, but we need to realize that we're all in this and need to focus on a solution to rid the world of the Iranian Islamic regime, rather than
stage a pisssing contest about who is right. The blockade of the strait is causing more damage to Iran's economy than it is to ours. But that's just my opinion.
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The prices suck. I hate it. I still think that some politicians and corporations are taking advantage of it to make more money. The average man be darned. Just try to make Trump look bad. That's what matters.
 
Many countries and people are happy that Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon readily available. It might take 1 to 10 years to dig it up. But they fear Iran....the crazy kid on the block. They already attacked their neighbors. They don't want to help because they will be attacked.

Putin, Xi and the American media like it because smearing dog **** on Trumps face is something they like.

More to come.
 
So the grand emperor or whatever he's called is MIA. Who or what is actually running Iran? Wouldn't it be interesting if it was really some sort of Kabal behind the scenes?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the US prop up Saddam Hussein to keep Iran under control after the Shah was booted out (who actually initiated the boot? Was it US or was it organic?), then Saddam went rogue and his employer eventually took him out. That entire thing might have been staged too. Who knows....

Wouldn't it be interesting if Iran was set up to be a middle eastern boogeyman that we'd need to square off with almost continually and they also support little pockets of trouble to fight with Israel.

That all takes money and lots of it. If there were peace all over the world, the nations elites likely would have to get a regular job like the rest of us.

I also think about how the US tried to prop up the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.... How'd that go? Not too good!!!....So if the populations of those middle eastern countries don't want something, they'll take matters into their own hands. The fact that we haven't seen such an uproar now that the citizens have the power of the US forces just at their door step tells me the majority are ok with the status quo and if the protests we heard about were not that big a deal. Like the no kings bs we see here.

Either way, I'd like to see that corner of the globe neutered (be it propped up by a Kabal or evolved on its own) and free trade allowed to go in and out of the Gulf. Then the US get out of the nation building/demolition business. It's old, innocent people die and it makes unworthy people lots of money.
 
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Sarge said:
It was stupid to start with, but we’re in it now. Gotta follow through and finish it.

As far as the “woefully under-reported damage,” it has been minimized to a degree, but nowhere near what the conspiracy theories are claiming. Hell, one news outlet claimed our casualties are in the thousands. I can assure you that is categorically false. It is 13 dead, about 60 wounded, most of them already returned to duty.

I’m going to Kuwait in October. The base I am going to was hit. Once. Destroyed a small building.
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Ali Al Saleem, port shuyba,, Arifjan, or one of the small outposts?
 
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